Infinity nightmare

Mal7

Dagobah Resident
I have had a recurring bad dream about three times in the last five or so years, which has been a very similar experience each of these three times. The last time was perhaps two or three years ago. I hope I don’t have this dream again, but if I do, maybe next time I should start keeping a “dream journal” and noting down the date and a description.

After having these dreams, I formulated to myself in words what I thought I had experienced. Writing about it now, I am probably recalling those words more than the experience itself.

My diet is still a work in progress, not too bad, but far from being exceptionally good also. At the time of these dreams, I may have been having too much caffeine, too many energy drinks, not enough good food, or not enough sleep.

The dream as I remember it really begins with waking up from a nightmare, in which one has had the feeling of having to solve an infinitely difficult mathematical problem. It is as if you have a disassembled Boeing 747 Jumbo Jet, which is made up of say 15 million different components, and you have to arrange each component in exactly the right order, but to make it more difficult, you are blind-folded, and you don’t even know better than chance which piece should follow which other piece, and it isn’t even 15 million pieces you have to get right, it is 15 trillion trillion trillion pieces, and you have to get it right. This is a metaphor for the feeling, the dream doesn’t actually consist of visual images of wheels and wiring and different tiny components of the plane.

So this kind of feeling of having to deal with an infinitely difficult problem, also accompanied by a feeling of being very heavy (but not paralysed), is what wakes me up. And then when I wake, what is even more terrifying, is that I feel (and here more so than in the preceding paragraph I am recalling how I conceptualized the feeling soon after it happened rather than the feeling itself) like half my brain has stopped working, and dissociated from my normal sense of self-awareness, like my consciousness is now centred more in the right half of my brain. At this point there is a feeling of decided uneasiness, a feeling that something very strange is happening in one’s brain. Also because I have had this dream several times, there is the feeling on waking of “Oh no, not this again!”. So I wake up and get out of bed, put some clothes on, turn some lights on, have a cigarette or 3, think about whether I should phone someone, maybe just reassure myself that I am still able to recall a phone number and know how to dial a phone, while gradually the weird spaced-out feeling subsides.

I have also had a similar dream of feeling very heavy and dealing with some kind of abstraction of infinity several times throughout my childhood, but without the same split-brained feeling on waking up from it. Once was when I was maybe 12 or so on a camping trip, when I think I conceptualized it as a nightmare about triangles.

So to summarize it might be considered an anxiety attack, but I am not sure if that is the best way of explaining it.
 
I never had a dream like yours, but I had dreams as a kid that caused similar uncomfortable 'sensations'. Usually I had them when I was sick or feverish. Those were half asleep and half waking dreams. Similar to your "I have to solve this difficult problem" I would feel that everything had to be in perfect order. In my dream, I would feel the bumps in my blanket (as opposed to a perfectly straightened out blanket) and those caused really terrible feelings of unease. However, I never had such a dream again in 10 years -- sometimes though I still get these feelings while being awake, when something (a word spoken, or an image) triggers it. But it doesn't last more than a few seconds.

Similar to you, I would get up after I managed to wake up from the dream. And it took some time to calm down and get into a 'waking state' again.

I wonder if that isn't caused by some brain chemistry imbalances. For example, it is known that autistic people can be obsessed with producing perfect order in everything, solving difficult problems, and really can't stand unorder, chaos, or sensory overload. I do consider that my episodes were slightly bordering on autism spectrum symptoms.

Maybe, when you get your diet in order (energy drinks, caffeine, etc.), those dreams will go away too? Have a look at the Ketogenic diet thread here in the forum, and maybe also Epilepsy and Autism in relation with the Ketogenic diet.
 
Thank you Data, I have been browsing some threads on Ketogenic diet, and will try making my first bone broth in a small crockpot sometime in the next few days. Your post reminded me of some OCD-like things I used to do when I was about 7, which I hadn't thought about for years. I sometimes worried about why I had to do this at the time, but eventually grew out of it and stopped doing it by the time I was perhaps 10 or 11. For example, I used to have about 8 posters of animals, e.g. a mountain gorilla's face, on my bedroom wall, and before sleeping I had to touch each one in a pattern alternately with my left and right hand, like:

ABBA

at its simplest, but more like:

ABBA BAAB BAAB ABBA

or even the next permutation.

Or it might not be having to touch them, but to run through that pattern in my head. Also the same thing in the daytime, like if I walked past a power pole I might have to go back and make that pattern.
 
Mal7 said:
Or it might not be having to touch them, but to run through that pattern in my head. Also the same thing in the daytime, like if I walked past a power pole I might have to go back and make that pattern.

Interesting. That reminds me of a few such habits in my youth too. It would really be interesting to learn what exactly was behind all that, but time is limited and I'm just glad that this has gone away.

Mal7 said:
I have been browsing some threads on Ketogenic diet, and will try making my first bone broth in a small crockpot sometime in the next few days.

I don't know how much of the information about diet you already have taken in, but here is just a general word of warning, just in case. Before you start experimenting, you should research as much as possible. The first step would be to get off all processed foods, alcohol, gluten and diary, step by step, and substitute with more healthy alternatives. Once you have overcome all the obstacles on that path, then the next step would be to reduce the intake of carbohydrates until you are ready to switch over to Ketosis with help of the Ketogenic Diet. You should read all relevant threads in the Diet section of this forum in their entirety.
 
Data said:
I never had a dream like yours, but I had dreams as a kid that caused similar uncomfortable 'sensations'. Usually I had them when I was sick or feverish. Those were half asleep and half waking dreams. Similar to your "I have to solve this difficult problem" I would feel that everything had to be in perfect order. In my dream, I would feel the bumps in my blanket (as opposed to a perfectly straightened out blanket) and those caused really terrible feelings of unease.

You know, the exact same thing happened to me in the past as a kid. Exactly as you describe it including the very bumps of the blanket that caused terrible feelings of unease. I couldn't have described it in a better way.

Sometimes, it would also feel as if the blanket became perfectly straightened for a moment and it would "feel smooth" but then the bumps would come back and I would feel uneasy again. There weren't any images involved that I remember. Just sensations and the blanket thing. It would also happen in a half-asleep and half-waking state.

That is sooo weird. It's as if you are describing exactly what also happened to me. And it did also stop some 10 years ago or so.

What a coincidence!
 
JayMark said:
Sometimes, it would also feel as if the blanket became perfectly straightened for a moment and it would "feel smooth" but then the bumps would come back and I would feel uneasy again. There weren't any images involved that I remember.

Now, this is really becoming weird. You also have described exactly what happened to me too. It was a back and forth between "all is okay" and "oh! no!"

One time, this happened to me while I was at a camping week when I was 10 years or so. I think I was sickish and had a bit of fever. I managed to wake up from this state, and then went out of the house half naked to look for other people. While I was up, I still struggled to get out of those sensations. I was anxious. It was about 10 p.m., the adults were still up, and I got someone to help me. Can't remember more.
 
Data said:
Now, this is really becoming weird. You also have described exactly what happened to me too. It was a back and forth between "all is okay" and "oh! no!"

Yep, that's exactly how it was! And it indeed happened to me when I was sick/feverish. How can our experiences be so identical? I mean what are the odds?

:shock:

One time, this happened to me while I was at a camping week when I was 10 years or so. I think I was sickish and had a bit of fever. I managed to wake up from this state, and then went out of the house half naked to look for other people. While I was up, I still struggled to get out of those sensations. I was anxious. It was about 10 p.m., the adults were still up, and I got someone to help me. Can't remember more.

I strangely don't have many other memories surrounding those events that I can think of right now apart from the fact I also had a hard time getting out of this state even when awake. I know I have had other very strange dream-like experiences of the sort when I was younger. And I feel inside of me that I still have a lot to learn from childhood events. And that part of it lies in what I don't exactly remember.

But I did have a few weird sleep-walking episodes where I would be at least partly counscious though and it was during that period of my youth as well. Strange again indeed.

Anyhow, this topic opened a door and I might find something interesting on the other side.
 
JayMark said:
Yep, that's exactly how it was! And it indeed happened to me when I was sick/feverish. How can our experiences be so identical? I mean what are the odds?

I don't know. Maybe it is brain chemical related and therefore common? I attempted a Google search but couldn't even formulate search terms. Wikipedia has this to say about night terrors (but I don't even know if what we experienced falls under that category):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_terror said:
Low blood sugar is associated with both pediatric and adult night terrors

In addition, some laboratory findings suggest that sleep deprivation and having a fever can increase the likelihood of a night terror episode occurring

There is some evidence that suggests that night terrors can occur if the sufferer does not eat a proper diet, does not get the appropriate amount or quality of sleep (e.g. sleep apnea), or is enduring stressful events in his or her life.

There is some evidence of a link between adult night terrors and hypoglycemia.

Sorry, Mal7 if we hijacked your thread, but maybe it is still related? Fact is, when I read "Infinity Nightmare", it immediately triggered that kind of feeling inside of me that I've described.
 
Hello,

Mal7 said:
The dream as I remember it really begins with waking up from a nightmare, in which one has had the feeling of having to solve an infinitely difficult mathematical problem. It is as if you have a disassembled Boeing 747 Jumbo Jet, which is made up of say 15 million different components, and you have to arrange each component in exactly the right order, but to make it more difficult, you are blind-folded, and you don’t even know better than chance which piece should follow which other piece, and it isn’t even 15 million pieces you have to get right, it is 15 trillion trillion trillion pieces, and you have to get it right. This is a metaphor for the feeling, the dream doesn’t actually consist of visual images of wheels and wiring and different tiny components of the plane.
Sounds really like a representation by your subconscious of a tight reality, e.g. the need to act and make decisions constantly where no faults are tolerated, something can always go wrong and you are responsible for everything, and so on.

Data said:
I wonder if that isn't caused by some brain chemistry imbalances. For example, it is known that autistic people can be obsessed with producing perfect order in everything, solving difficult problems, and really can't stand unorder, chaos, or sensory overload. I do consider that my episodes were slightly bordering on autism spectrum symptoms.

Maybe, when you get your diet in order (energy drinks, caffeine, etc.), those dreams will go away too? Have a look at the Ketogenic diet thread here in the forum, and maybe also Epilepsy and Autism in relation with the Ketogenic diet.
Not necessarily caused but possibly amplified. Illness always contribute to a negative psyche. But if it only happens a few times within a few years, it seems to be rather event-driven than an actual health-related issue.

JayMark said:
You know, the exact same thing happened to me in the past as a kid. Exactly as you describe it including the very bumps of the blanket that caused terrible feelings of unease. I couldn't have described it in a better way.
You mean that your were not able to resign attention?
As I was three or four years old, I had possibly a similar issue: There was an abnormal drive to level everything especially anything related to sensory input. It was mostly clothing. I sensed the clothing I wore and tried to achieve symmetry by moving around, spinning, twisting, etc. In most cases I needed to move my shoulders because there I sensed the clothing most. I can, of course, sense that at will today but it is no longer a problem (yes, there is no pure symmetry and absoluteness in observable reality etc. but as a baby I longed for that). It is like if someone were observing one's breath and could not "look away and let it be." Of course, everyone is able to observe consciously one's breath. However, there is no problem, nothing that must be adjusted manually. It just works automatically. And this is what caused me trouble back then. Maybe you have experienced a similar thing with your blanket.
 
Data said:
The first step would be to get off all processed foods, alcohol, gluten and diary, step by step, and substitute with more healthy alternatives. Once you have overcome all the obstacles on that path, then the next step would be to reduce the intake of carbohydrates until you are ready to switch over to Ketosis with help of the Ketogenic Diet. You should read all relevant threads in the Diet section of this forum in their entirety.

Thank you Data, I will read the diet threads more thoroughly. I haven't read the important thread "Life without Bread" yet. I am eating sushi almost every day at present, with salmon and avocado. The soy sauce has gluten in it I think, and the rice would be a carbohydrate. Not drinking alcohol won't be difficult.

Sirius said:
Sounds really like a representation by your subconscious of a tight reality, e.g. the need to act and make decisions constantly where no faults are tolerated, something can always go wrong and you are responsible for everything, and so on.
Possibly, but the experience of the dream seems disconnected with the everyday world of making decisions, being responsible for things, answering to somebody, getting things right. I would emphasize the strange feeling of the dream. It is not like the feeling of deja vu, but it is similar in the respect that deja vu is also a strange kind of feeling.
 
Data said:
Sorry, Mal7 if we hijacked your thread, but maybe it is still related?

No problem, I have had an interesting response, and don't necessarily need to go on discussing my own particular dream ad nauseam.

I do find both the discussion of dreams of uncomfortable feelings caused by non-smooth blankets and the "night terrors" epithet relevant and interesting.

One thing I might do is see if I can track down a description of my dream I posted on a Facebook thread last year, and see how it compares with my recent description. There, it came up in the context of a discussion of someone who was having very strong deja vu-like experiences, where they felt like they knew something was about to happen just before it happened (that person has now accepted a diagnosis of having some form of epilepsy).
 
As he said, read everything you can find and grab here and elsewhere. Those information should give you a clearer picture of the world and how people live and what the issues are thereby, to put it generally; information will also shine a light on your own situation so that you will become able to better assess and analyse certain problems you might have.

BTW, you should be rather concerned with processed foodstuffs and soy (if you should really consume such stuff daily) than things like gluten at first, as well as many other sources of evil.
 
[quote author=Sirius]BTW, you should be rather concerned with processed foodstuffs and soy (if you should really consume such stuff daily) than things like gluten at first, as well as many other sources of evil.
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I second that.

[quote author=Mal7]One thing I might do is see if I can track down a description of my dream I posted on a Facebook thread last year, and see how it compares with my recent description. There, it came up in the context of a discussion of someone who was having very strong deja vu-like experiences, where they felt like they knew something was about to happen just before it happened (that person has now accepted a diagnosis of having some form of epilepsy).[/quote]

You may found this article interesting:

http://www.sott.net/article/230878-Leaky-Brain-Seizures-Epilepsy-Gluten-Sensitivity


I'm not saying you have epilepsy I'm not a doctor, gluten is not for human consumption, period.
Serious consideration when comes to brain function, immune system how gluten causes damages in the human body.

http://www.sott.net/article/209822-Gluten-Causes-Nerve-Damage

http://www.sott.net/article/227016-Facts-you-might-not-know-about-gluten
 
Thank you anothermagyar and Sirius. I have had a tendency to be somewhat lazy and haphazard about my diet, but will see if I can make and sustain some improvements in that area.
 
I remember having a similar overwhelming infinity type nightmare as a child as well. It is rather vague now since it was so many years ago but it was like a geometric shape, possibly a square or rectangle would get progressively larger while a sound would get progressively louder. It was definitely discomforting.
 
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