Information(?) about a concept mentioned in "High Strangeness"

[ARC]

Quote taken from the beginning of Part I of "High Strangeness":

"When you read enough raw data from the many thousands of cases, you get the deep impression that the witnesses are telling the truth about what they have experienced. Why would a couple of farmers make up such ridiculous, nonsensical stories? Testimony was obtained to show their mental stability and competence. They never made any money from their stories, and they certainly weren’t after fame. In fact, they suffered more from telling their stories than if they had just kept quiet."

This was in reference to a couple of cases mentioned in which two separate farmers reported completely separate "odd" tales of alien contact that seemed to have no practical or logical purpose for happening but which the farmers also had no earthly reason to lie about.

I think I may be able to provide something of an answer as to why the encounters (and I'm sure many others as well) seemed so senselessly bizarre. I've only just begun reading the book so it may come to the same or similar conclusions but I wanted to go ahead and mention this in case I forget later.

When I was in the fifth or sixth grade, a man that often "stalked" me and a couple of my classmates tied me to a chair and placed a bowl over my head with wires attached to it. They said they were giving me a "brain transplant" (lol) - It scared the holy bejeezez out of me, as I presume it would any small child. Of course when I tried to tell other adults about it I was laughed at. When I grew up I realized this was a tactic designed to make me look like I was making things up, so that no one would believe the horrendous tales I had to tell that were actually true.

Now whether the farmers (and/or others with bizarre claims) have more horrendous experiences they chose not to tell or whether the "tactic" in these cases was to cast doubt on the stories of those who did by adding quantitative nonsense to the overall lump sum of the cases, I can't answer but I think the motive is likely similar - to cast the shadow of disbelief.

The more I read of the books on this forum the more I suspect the strong similarities between my stories and those of "abductees" are more than mere coincidence. I also strongly suspect my "stalker" probably has personal involvement in many of the alleged abductions and is someone that could also be described as a "lizzie" of the red variety by those who categorize the "aliens" as such. However, I'm not convinced the "phenomenon" is necessarily extraterrestrial in nature and my personal theory has long been that a combination of drugs and hypnosis (hallucinogenic drugs combined with hypnosis so that the abductor is able to suggest what he wants the abductee to hallucinate) is used to control the subjects.

Just some initial thoughts - back to reading.

ARC

 

[ARC]

Another quote from Part I of "High Strangeness":

"We know that there exists a subset of UFO reports of high strangeness and high witness credibility for which no one – and I emphasize – no one, has been able to ascribe a viable explanation. But the Isaac Asimovs and the trained scientists, as well as large segments of the public, do not know this. And we cannot expect them to know this unless we present data to them properly and thus provide motivation to study the subject."

When I read this it occurred to me that a respected scientist, even Asimov himself, should be as apt to witness a UFO in the sky as any other person, maybe even more so since they spend time viewing the skies through high-powered telescopes.

What do we think then? Is it coincidence that Asimov never happened to look up and see unexplained (unidentified) flying object or is it more likely that the extraterrestrials hide themselves from eager observers and target instead unsuspecting individuals to reveal themselves to? Or is it just possible that clever psychopaths have found something to gain from targeting individuals (perhaps experimentally or just for kicks or for sadistic purposes)?

A little more food for thought.

ARC

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Now whether the farmers (and/or others with bizarre claims) have more horrendous experiences they chose not to tell or whether the "tactic" in these cases was to cast doubt on the stories of those who did by adding quantitative nonsense to the overall lump sum of the cases, I can't answer but I think the motive is likely similar - to cast the shadow of disbelief.

That's pretty much what John Keel thought: that the behavior and perhaps even appearance of the UFO occupants are often designed and 'staged' in such a way as to make the encounter patently ridiculous.

The more I read of the books on this forum the more I suspect the strong similarities between my stories and those of "abductees" are more than mere coincidence. I also strongly suspect my "stalker" probably has personal involvement in many of the alleged abductions and is someone that could also be described as a "lizzie" of the red variety by those who categorize the "aliens" as such. However, I'm not convinced the "phenomenon" is necessarily extraterrestrial in nature and my personal theory has long been that a combination of drugs and hypnosis (hallucinogenic drugs combined with hypnosis so that the abductor is able to suggest what he wants the abductee to hallucinate) is used to control the subjects.

I'm not familiar with "lizzie of the red variety". Can you expand on that? As for the nature of abductions, I think there are probably several types (you'll read more about it in the book): e.g., military abductions, 'mind control' influences, and hyperdimensional processes. The extraterrestrial theory is probably bogus, but from reading a lot of cases, I don't think it can all be ascribed to human actions. There's definitely some 'strange' stuff going on.

What do we think then? Is it coincidence that Asimov never happened to look up and see unexplained (unidentified) flying object or is it more likely that the extraterrestrials hide themselves from eager observers and target instead unsuspecting individuals to reveal themselves to? Or is it just possible that clever psychopaths have found something to gain from targeting individuals (perhaps experimentally or just for kicks or for sadistic purposes)?

Then again, there are plenty of highly trained scientists and other professionals who have observed UFOs. But there may be an aspect of "cosmic COINTELPRO" going on. It seems that for every "out there" subject, there is no shortage of 'experts' who devote their energy to debunking the subject. In "Disneyland of the Gods" Keel even observed that whenever someone really gets serious about researching the subject they seem to attract an arch nemesis of sorts, like Phil Klass or the Amazing Randi. Again, this could be run-of-the-mill COINTELPRO, or perhaps something more 'cosmically inspired' in nature.

 

[ARC]

Now whether the farmers (and/or others with bizarre claims) have more horrendous experiences they chose not to tell or whether the "tactic" in these cases was to cast doubt on the stories of those who did by adding quantitative nonsense to the overall lump sum of the cases, I can't answer but I think the motive is likely similar - to cast the shadow of disbelief.

That's pretty much what John Keel thought: that the behavior and perhaps even appearance of the UFO occupants are often designed and 'staged' in such a way as to make the encounter patently ridiculous.

The more I read of the books on this forum the more I suspect the strong similarities between my stories and those of "abductees" are more than mere coincidence. I also strongly suspect my "stalker" probably has personal involvement in many of the alleged abductions and is someone that could also be described as a "lizzie" of the red variety by those who categorize the "aliens" as such. However, I'm not convinced the "phenomenon" is necessarily extraterrestrial in nature and my personal theory has long been that a combination of drugs and hypnosis (hallucinogenic drugs combined with hypnosis so that the abductor is able to suggest what he wants the abductee to hallucinate) is used to control the subjects.

I'm not familiar with "lizzie of the red variety". Can you expand on that? As for the nature of abductions, I think there are probably several types (you'll read more about it in the book): e.g., military abductions, 'mind control' influences, and hyperdimensional processes. The extraterrestrial theory is probably bogus, but from reading a lot of cases, I don't think it can all be ascribed to human actions. There's definitely some 'strange' stuff going on.

What do we think then? Is it coincidence that Asimov never happened to look up and see unexplained (unidentified) flying object or is it more likely that the extraterrestrials hide themselves from eager observers and target instead unsuspecting individuals to reveal themselves to? Or is it just possible that clever psychopaths have found something to gain from targeting individuals (perhaps experimentally or just for kicks or for sadistic purposes)?

Then again, there are plenty of highly trained scientists and other professionals who have observed UFOs. But there may be an aspect of "cosmic COINTELPRO" going on. It seems that for every "out there" subject, there is no shortage of 'experts' who devote their energy to debunking the subject. In "Disneyland of the Gods" Keel even observed that whenever someone really gets serious about researching the subject they seem to attract an arch nemesis of sorts, like Phil Klass or the Amazing Randi. Again, this could be run-of-the-mill COINTELPRO, or perhaps something more 'cosmically inspired' in nature.

Obviously, I'm not familiar with the categories of "aliens" - "lizzards", "grays", etc - either. I have seen him "transform" and he looked like a red lizzard (human-sized or slightly larger), also standing upright, not on all fours like an animal lizzard. He also had devil horns and I believed at the time he was the devil - nobody else saw it (that I know of) though hundreds of people were present. He has drugged me more than once that I know of and I often wonder if there were times he drugged me that I was not aware I was drugged. I don't know, it's just some thoughts, ponderings, I guess you could say.

I read "Go Set a Watchman" by Harper Lee and then went back and read the beginning of Part 2 of "High Strangeness" but I haven't finished it yet. I've seen several of the documentaries about the possibility of alien life forms visiting Earth - some of them present decent arguments but I'm always skeptical due, at least in part, to the way they tend to present "facts" aligned in such a way as to support their theories. Not that I blame them but it seems the same "facts" could be construed and arranged differently to support different theories. Whatever "truth" there is must be able to support all of the facts, not the other way around and not only the facts that are relevant to the particular theory.

I'm not sure if I'm familiar with the Cointelpro stuff but possibly if it has been included in any of the documentaries I've seen. I think I get what you mean about "experts" of "out there" subjects - my husband likes to watch those bigfoot shows and the bigfoot hunters like to pretend to be experts on the subject. They'll say stuff like - sasquatch doesn't mate for life and other "facts" for which they have absolutely no evidence. I mean if you can't even prove bigfoot exists, how are you going to pretend to know its habits?

I'm no physicist but this information is not altogether over my head either, at least so far, but I have more reading to do. As for the Harper Lee book, I only read it because I hadn't read it before and suddenly had the perfect opportunity to do so - pretty good book but quite outdated.

ARC

 

[Chu]

ARC, I don't understand your story. You say there was one "stalker", then later on you say "They said they were giving me a brain transplant". Who is "They"?

When I was in the fifth or sixth grade, a man that often "stalked" me and a couple of my classmates tied me to a chair and placed a bowl over my head with wires attached to it. They said they were giving me a "brain transplant" (lol) - It scared the holy bejeezez out of me, as I presume it would any small child. Of course when I tried to tell other adults about it I was laughed at. When I grew up I realized this was a tactic designed to make me look like I was making things up, so that no one would believe the horrendous tales I had to tell that were actually true.

Later,

Obviously, I'm not familiar with the categories of "aliens" - "lizzards", "grays", etc - either. I have seen him "transform" and he looked like a red lizzard (human-sized or slightly larger), also standing upright, not on all fours like an animal lizzard. He also had devil horns and I believed at the time he was the devil - nobody else saw it (that I know of) though hundreds of people were present. He has drugged me more than once that I know of and I often wonder if there were times he drugged me that I was not aware I was drugged. I don't know, it's just some thoughts, ponderings, I guess you could say.

This doesn't make much sense. Where? How were you drugged? How come "hundreds of people were present"? And did this happen several times, and not just once, then?

Some traumatic experiences are filtered by our own beliefs. You seeing devil horns and all that would be an example, if applicable, given what you have posted elsewhere about your Biblic beliefs.

 

[ARC]

"The extraterrestrial theory is probably bogus, but from reading a lot of cases, I don't think it can all be ascribed to human actions. There's definitely some 'strange' stuff going on."

I can definitely agree with "strange stuff" going on, but as difficult as it would be to explain how it could possibly "all" be ascribed to human action, I think it's just as possible as the alternatives. Yet I'm not out to "debunk" others' theories and ideas as much as I want to assert the possibility that it may be simply the work of evil men.

I have seen bad people do both bad things and strange things, and I knew at least one of these people to use drugs, hypnosis, fear and intimidation tactics, lies and manipulation. He still fools a lot of people but he doesn't even try to fool me because he knows the things I've seen him do (though I doubt they are a fraction of the bad things he's done) - he also knows I've been unsuccessful in getting authorities to believe me and I am also aware of his ongoing manipulation of authorities to ensure it stays that way although said authorities have enough reason of their own for their skepticism which includes a great deal of "high strangeness" that no one can explain (except the bad guy himself and he's not talking).

So, like I said, maybe he's an alien of the "red lizard" variety, or the "devil", or just a sicko psychopath with access to the latest technological advances in "mind control", "time travel (communications)", or whatever, a rogue CIA agent with his own sick agenda(?). I don't know but I think it may be possible that whatever he is might have something to do with the overall problem of "high strangeness".

Again, just some thoughts.

ARC

 

[ARC]

Chu - The way I worded it I guess it looks like I was saying one person did this to me and a couple of my classmates - not so, it was him and a couple of my classmates that did it to me.

The "transformation" I spoke of happened in the auditorium of my jr high school with the entire school present. The times he drugged me (that I'm aware of) were different occasions but I was implying that perhaps he had drugged me on that day and I simply wasn't aware of it. Why my hallucination was of him as the "devil" may have something to do with my religious beliefs (although I didn't go to church until I was in my early 20s but I probably did have an "image" in my mind of how the devil might look, so yes, of course, that's certainly possible). This was the only time I saw (or hallucinated) him transform in that way. If anyone else saw it they didn't mention it to me and I also never discussed it with any of my school mates so I can only assume I was the only one who saw it, but then I stood there staring as though it didn't even happen so, who knows, maybe everyone else did the same.

ARC

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I've seen several of the documentaries about the possibility of alien life forms visiting Earth - some of them present decent arguments but I'm always skeptical due, at least in part, to the way they tend to present "facts" aligned in such a way as to support their theories. Not that I blame them but it seems the same "facts" could be construed and arranged differently to support different theories. Whatever "truth" there is must be able to support all of the facts, not the other way around and not only the facts that are relevant to the particular theory.

Yep, that's a problem with a lot of research into the so-called paranormal. The extraterrestrial hypothesis is probably the most popular theory among ufologists (and usually the only one presented in more mainstream media). But the interdimensional/hyperdimensional hypothesis accounts for more of the facts. You can learn more about it by finishing Laura's book and checking out some works by authors like John Keel, Jacques Vallee, and others. ("Hunt for the Skinwalker" is a good book, and some of Nick Redfern's books touch on it too.)

I'm not sure if I'm familiar with the Cointelpro stuff but possibly if it has been included in any of the documentaries I've seen. I think I get what you mean about "experts" of "out there" subjects - my husband likes to watch those bigfoot shows and the bigfoot hunters like to pretend to be experts on the subject. They'll say stuff like - sasquatch doesn't mate for life and other "facts" for which they have absolutely no evidence. I mean if you can't even prove bigfoot exists, how are you going to pretend to know its habits?

COINTELPRO was the name given by the FBI for its operations to infiltrate and divert domestic political organizations. It's used nowadays in a more general way to describe government infiltration of any and all possible domestic 'threats' (i.e. alternative media, health, science, etc.).

My reference to experts in 'out-there' subjects was to other types. The people you're describing I'd simply call charlatans. I was more referring to mainstream scientists who set out to debunk the subject, using their credentials to give themselves 'credibility', when usually they know nothing of the subject they're debunking.

 

[ARC]

COINTELPRO - I did not know that although I probably should have - are they also the ones seeking approval to monitor Americans' private communications (phones and e-mail) for possible information of domestic threats? Meaning, is that the organization that would be doing the monitoring? (Just curious)

I finished "High Strangeness" (turns out I was only a couple paragraphs from the end). "Hunt for the Skinwalker", given the title, sounds like a good book for me to read. I'm not really in a hurry to finish the "Wave" series - I'm only on chapter 3 of the first book but at this point I don't really feel the need to know everything the Cs have said/are saying. I get the gist of who they are and the type of communications and that's enough for me, at least for now.

Interestingly, I also get a sort of "channeled" communication, usually when I'm in a state of half-awakeness, like when on the verge of falling asleep or waking up. About 4 months ago I got a weird message that seemed to be from an angry young man - it was a little unsettling but I couldn't think of anything that might be a reason for it, until I got up and came into the "sanctuary" with my husband (a word we use to describe the area where we spend most of our time with our laptops). He told me our friend Janet had called and said that her son had passed away - he'd od'd in prison. This was someone I had written to regularly in prison, until he got out, but I never made any effort to meet him and then when I heard he was back in prison I didn't start writing him again. I still feel kinda bad about it as it makes me think perhaps there was something I could have done to help him. (I feel horrible for his mom - he was only like 28 or 29 when he died, and to make matters worse I was, at the time, working on final exams and all the stuff I had to do for getting ready to graduate so I didn't even go to the funeral.)

A couple of weeks ago I got another strange message, and it came to me in a rather strange way - a strange, seemingly nonsensical phrase was being uttered repeatedly by a child's voice (well, not exactly a "phrase" but more or less a two-word noun). I didn't even really notice it until another voice provided the correct pronunciation and at that point I could tell both were saying the same thing though the child voice was impossible to make out, given the poor pronunciation. I still haven't figured out what it means, maybe nothing but I don't think so because of what it is (the two-word noun). I'm holding back saying what it is because of something about the other voice (the one that provided the correct pronunciation). I'd never heard that voice before - it was almost "instructive" in nature - I think I may have heard it again since then and it said something along the lines of, "... go to sleep and never wake up again", meaning death I presume, or perhaps a particular manner of death. I think I read in the "Wave" where the C's said something similar. I'm not sure if it was directed at me personally, or people in general. I don't really study about it or try to figure it out - most of the time it will just come to me (or it won't). I only wanted to bring it up because of that similarity. Just out of curiosity, do members ever get "messages" from the C's, that you know of? I'm probably just crazy, lol.

ARC

 

[Laura]

Yes, considering all the experiences you have/had, I think it would be best if you put The Wave down. It has strange effects on some people.

 

[ARC]

Thank you - I haven't had any more of those messages since I stopped reading it about a week or two ago.

ARC

 

[cubbex]

Well, I don't know what is the point of your observations but I can network with you my comments on this. Being recently under weird circumstances, I say these things are nothing more but annoyance and distraction. Not that I see the alien dudes as not relevant, the guys are based on the observed political hierarchy, possibly to proud and too high on their tower of power to really focus on us, normal humans. I've observed people who get some direct interaction or weird stuff, is because they are in the government or some important research or experiment related to society or, when they are far away from cities, like in isolated areas where these UFO apparitions can be done without causing too much turmoil. I've had many weirdness in my life, but sometimes these were becase of things like sleeping with my cellphone close to me, or having a wifi stuff close to my bed, or a neighboor having it on the other side of the wall. And if someone can really wound you and stop you, is the people around you, the common human beings, your friends, family, etc. If these weird things happen, focus on your common life because most abductions or interference manifest this way. But sometimes we can also suggest many things to ourselves, sometimes it is our bodies taking mental archetypes to describe some more simple problems.

Ghosts, demons, ufo, all of them rarely interact directly in a hollywood type of way, and most of the time on indirect ways. Through people, or events. It is a weird phenomena, but few people really must be preocupated about this, specially those who know the password for the cookie jar.

 

[ARC]

The only thing near my bed is the router box for the wi-fi. Sometimes, if I want to sleep in, I'll take my cordless phone to bed with me in the morning after I get up to use the bathroom, so that I can screen calls without getting up (if it's someone I don't want to talk to I push the talk button and then the hang-up so that I don't have to listen to it ring or if it's one of my kids I can talk to them without getting up), but I never take it to bed with me at night and I don't have a cell phone. My husband has one of the old flip-phone cell phones but we just use if for emergencies, like if we get stranded while we're out we can call for help - it doesn't even pick up a signal most of the time when we're at home as we live between a bunch of hills out in the country.

But I've had these experiences all my life and I usually don't pay much attention to it. I also see the future in my mind's eye - I'm generally aware of it's presence in my subconscious mind at all times but I can't really tune in to it except during times of desperate situations, in which times it becomes very clear. I'm not sure why that is but I suspect it may be due to the same adrenaline force that gives me elevated strength and awareness during those same times - it doesn't make me jittery, as you might imagine, rather I become very calm and very precise in my thinking, and I've managed to get through some very extreme situations in this way. Afterwards, I'll generally go through a period of paranoia and jitters (jumpiness), insomnia, etc. Always, after I see into the future, it comes back to me in a series of deja vu's that will remind me of having seen forward to the particular moment, what I was doing at the time I was seeing it - like it's coming back together (repairing itself) as it happens. Once I get through all the deja vus my overall thinking becomes clearer like normal.

When I was reading in "High Strangeness" about the paradoxes of communications through time it kinda made me go "hmmm", because of the way my memories kept going farther and farther back - I even have a couple of fairly distinct memories from the womb, and the man I call my "stalker", while he's not present in all of my memories of the past, his presence is noted in most of them. It's like he and I have been fighting a lifelong battle that only the two of us knows about. Nothing significant has happened between us since 2001 but I'm still kind of leery that it may not be over yet, although he should be between 77 to 85 years old by now if he's still living.

Still, I don't mean to imply anything, I just like to put this stuff out there from time to time in case anyone has any ideas. Most people just think I'm a kook and I'm fine with that (hopefully they'll be right, lol).

ARC

 

[cubbex]

lol well, yeah I remember the session I hope you can find it, where data asks if ghosts communicate through tech, and it had something to do with electromagnetic waves. So, if a ghost can get to you this way why not an alien if we talk about hyperdimensional dudes?

I think we just need to follow Laura's headlines, meditate and read everything.

 

[luc]

lol well, yeah I remember the session I hope you can find it, where data asks if ghosts communicate through tech, and it had something to do with electromagnetic waves. So, if a ghost can get to you this way why not an alien if we talk about hyperdimensional dudes?

I think we just need to follow Laura's headlines, meditate and read everything.

FWIW, I think you are referring to this session:

(Data) I have one question. It might be silly, but I'm gonna ask it anyway. Has it ever happened since the invention of mobile phones that a text message has been sent from the spirit world to a person?

A: Many times! Entities love tech!