Inside Scientology

Guardian said:
Personally, I think this explains Scientology better than anything else I've read or seen :P

_http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s09e12-trapped-in-the-closet

:lol:
Would have been more accurate if Cartman was enlisted. :)
 
I've being in Scientology for about 20 years. It is a tough organisation but then it has to be to survive and be affective in this world. The PTB have tried all the usual dirty tricks to undermine it. What I read here of the attacks on SOTT and FOCM all sound so familiar to what has been levelled against Scientology. It boils down to if you are trying do something about the state of things on this BBM and are being in some way affective you are going to get attacked. Nothing wrong with mercilessly attacking your attackers and exposing their crimes. There is plenty written in Scientology on Suppressives (psychopaths) their characteristics and affects on people especially those connected to them and that they will rage and attack against anything the seeks to better people. Basically in Scientology the accent is on ability.

Some of the social improvement scientology organisations
ABLE Association for Better Learning and Education.
NARCONON Drug rehabilitation programs and fighting the spread and usage of drugs
CCHR Citizens Commission for Human Rights. Largely involved in exposing physiatric crime and big pharma.
VM program Volunteer Minister program which helps with disaster relief.
There is also a program t0 get human rights better known and people active in bringing them in being.
 
Ronan said:
I've being in Scientology for about 20 years. It is a tough organisation but then it has to be to survive and be affective in this world. The PTB have tried all the usual dirty tricks to undermine it. What I read here of the attacks on SOTT and FOCM all sound so familiar to what has been levelled against Scientology. It boils down to if you are trying do something about the state of things on this BBM and are being in some way affective you are going to get attacked. Nothing wrong with mercilessly attacking your attackers and exposing their crimes. There is plenty written in Scientology on Suppressives (psychopaths) their characteristics and affects on people especially those connected to them and that they will rage and attack against anything the seeks to better people. Basically in Scientology the accent is on ability.

Agreed. And being on this side of attacks and knowing how filthy and what total lies they are, and how any sick person can make them for any numbers of reasons, I'm not making up my mind here.

But, geeze, if the guy's own son says that stuff? And there are documents that show that LRH was not very truthful about many things.

Okay, let's acknowledge that even a person writing fiction can be "channeling" or hooked into some inspirational source. Maybe LRH did that? Maybe he brought forward some ideas that were/are useful in spite of who he was and what he consciously was doing. Or maybe he fluctuated? Or had multiple personalities due to being messed with by CIA or whoever?

All of those things are possible.

Maybe at some point someone saw that what he had started could be useful in some way AND make a lot of money at the same time?

There are so many variables here, it's like a maze.

Ronan said:
Some of the social improvement scientology organisations
ABLE Association for Better Learning and Education.
NARCONON Drug rehabilitation programs and fighting the spread and usage of drugs
CCHR Citizens Commission for Human Rights. Largely involved in exposing physiatric crime and big pharma.
VM program Volunteer Minister program which helps with disaster relief.
There is also a program t0 get human rights better known and people active in bringing them in being.

As I said, I've know some very fine people in CoS. I've also known some very messed up people. And I've known some fine people who left after achieving "OT8" - whatever that is - and were abandoned by their families still in CoS. That struck me as a bit severe.

I agree that CoS has done some good public service and that the goal is to "clear the planet" more or less, and they are really dedicated to this. But that is only at a certain level. I suspect that at the very top there is some serious cynicism and greed and everyone below that tiny clique are just the believers who keep the whole thing running.
 
Guardian said:
Personally, I think this explains Scientology better than anything else I've read or seen :P

_http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s09e12-trapped-in-the-closet

:lol:

Hi Guardian,

Sadly these episodes are not available where I am and it might be the same for many other members. :(
 
Laura said:
"But, geeze, if the guy's own son says that stuff? And there are documents that show that LRH was not very truthful about many things.

Okay, let's acknowledge that even a person writing fiction can be "channeling" or hooked into some inspirational source. Maybe LRH did that? Maybe he brought forward some ideas that were/are useful in spite of who he was and what he consciously was doing. Or maybe he fluctuated? Or had multiple personalities due to being messed with by CIA or whoever? "

All I can really say on the son's accusations is that they sound rather unlikely.
Judging by the exactness I see being put in to training auditors so they can get the results auditing is designed to get, it is most improbable that the methods and procedures were developed by someone as the son describes him or one of the CIA's products. The is a lot of attention to detail applied in Scientology. I have had good results out of it.

Mod's note : Edited to add the quotation boxes
 
Ronan said:
All I can really say on the son's accusations is that they sound rather unlikely.
Judging by the exactness I see being put in to training auditors so they can get the results auditing is designed to get, it is most improbable that the methods and procedures were developed by someone as the son describes him or one of the CIA's products. The is a lot of attention to detail applied in Scientology. I have had good results out of it.

You realize that one of the things the CIA does best is develop methods and procedures, with startling attention to detail, in order to control/alter people's minds? That's sort of 'their thing'...
 
truth seeker said:
Guardian said:
Personally, I think this explains Scientology better than anything else I've read or seen :P

_http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s09e12-trapped-in-the-closet

:lol:
Would have been more accurate if Cartman was enlisted. :)

Thanks for that, they always have good insides :)
 
anart said:
"You realize that one of the things the CIA does best is develop methods and procedures, with startling attention to detail, in order to control/alter people's minds? That's sort of 'their thing'..."

Yes but I thought their line of buisness was Subversion and the production of physcotic killers. Didn't stop to think that all that nasty media they get could be a cover for their good deeds. That actual basic point I was trying to make is that to get good results in auditing "the devil is in the details" of its application. Its about opening up the persons ability to communicate both give and receive in life. Now to me that sort of method and procedure isn't the product of a fragmented physcotic mind.

Mod's note: Edited to add the quotation boxes
 
Ronan said:
That actual basic point I was trying to make is that to get good results in auditing "the devil is in the details" of its application. Its about opening up the persons ability to communicate both give and receive in life. Now to me that sort of method and procedure isn't the product of a fragmented physcotic mind.

Hi Ronan, I don't know much about John Hubbard, I'm learning a few things with this thread. I did read his book Dianetics a couple of years ago, and it made me feel uncomfortable how he put things in a sort of extreme way, where the aim is to reach a "clear" level, that I personally found to be unrealistic. But that's me, and I haven't ever experienced the technique. Nevertheless, my vague impression of a couple of years ago is not the point of my post.

I understand that you have been in Scientology for a good deal of time and surely know much more then I do about the good deeds of this institution, however, I'm not sure that because an institution has helped many, its roots are not rotten. I'm not saying that this is the case with Scientology, but it is often the case that a disturbed, even psychopathic individual is clever enough to create a technique that can actually greatly help some people, although what is really leading the engine is a greed for money, power, whatever it is on that disturbed individual's mind. A good example of this seems to be Richard Bandler and his NLP. More on this thread: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,17548.msg158077.html#msg158077

I also find that it is often the case that behind a mask of higher goals and helping people, a very disturbed mind is hiding. The supposedly higher goals function as the perfect disguise.

Again, I don't know whether this is the case with Scientology, I lack the data to reach a conclusion, but just something to ponder.
 
Ronan said:
"You realize that one of the things the CIA does best is develop methods and procedures, with startling attention to detail, in order to control/alter people's minds? That's sort of 'their thing'..."

Yes but I thought their line of buisness was Subversion and the production of physcotic killers. Didn't stop to think that all that nasty media they get could be a cover for their good deeds. That actual basic point I was trying to make is that to get good results in auditing "the devil is in the details" of its application. Its about opening up the persons ability to communicate both give and receive in life. Now to me that sort of method and procedure isn't the product of a fragmented physcotic mind.

But if you really study psychopathy, doing that sort of thing to "keep the livestock happy" IS one thing they can do. And making a person better able to give and receive, if they are a "Normie" is especially useful to them for a lot of reasons. Especially if the person is concomitantly divested of any suspicions about the organization doing it and begins to look upon it as a sort of pure parent.
 
Also,nanny of the same things about beneficial effects (getting people off drugs, getting them focused and productive, etc.) have also been said about the Nation of Islam which also was founded by a nasty peron (Elijah Muhammad) and may also have been a CIA style covert operation. Heck, you could say the same thing about the military, too.
 
I came across this today: _http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2009/11/tom_cruise_was.php which gives an insider look into scientology. Quite cult-like if you ask me, some excerpts:

But Headley's book also provides stunning material that has rarely been collected in one place, even with the Internet's deep resources on L. Ron Hubbard's strange creation. Headley's story provides a damning account of life working for Scientology leader David Miscavige at the secretive desert base, where young people who sign billion-year contracts work 100-hour weeks for little or no pay with the ever-present threat that they may be pulled into hellish disciplinary drills, or separated permanently from friends and family members for the slightest perceived infraction.

In 2005, after 15 years working at the base, Headley found himself accused of embezzling money (he'd actually been selling old Scientology equipment on eBay in an approved scheme to raise money for a new base project), and was told he was about to be declared a "suppressive person." He knew he'd probably be sent to the dreaded "Rehabilitation Project Force" in Los Angeles, a kind of prison program that was known to physically debilitate church members through harsh labor and extreme deprivation. He knew also that he'd be separated permanently from his wife of 13 years (she was also a Scientologist at the base) as well as the rest of his family in a notorious policy Hubbard had termed "disconnection."

Before he was scheduled to be interrogated, Headley made a break for it, ditching the base in a dramatic chase with security guards that ended with Headley taking a spill on a motorcycle. An ensuing shouting match with Scientology guards drew the attention of Riverside County sheriff's deputies, who helped Headley get away.

Headley managed to get himself to Kansas City, where his father lived. But then came the real challenge: His wife, Claire, got word to him that she also wanted to defect so that they could be reunited. Would they be able to pull it off now that she was being watched day and night? Her attempt to escape provides a thrilling final chapter to the book, which has some of the rough edges of a self-published tale but is well-paced and an entertaining read.

If it walks like a cult and quacks like one....

Headley's book also provides a much richer telling of the now-infamous "Bohemian Rhapsody" incident that the St. Petersburg Times series revealed, and which illustrates Miscavige's harsh notions of church management. Unhappy with a variety of matters involving staffing and, more specifically, with problems at a music studio, Miscavige, Headley writes, happily hit on a way to show his employees that he meant business: he had chairs arranged in a large circle for about 70 executives in a large room. Then he explained that they would begin playing a game of "musical chairs," and he chose Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" for it. Each round, one chair would be taken away, and one person would find themselves without a seat. The last person remaining would stay at the base and would help Miscavige fill the positions vacated by the others -- because everyone else would be shipped out, that night, to the worst, most remote Scientology postings on the globe.

Headley vividly describes the desperate flailing, the wailing, the tears, as grown men and women fought over chairs to keep themselves from being shipped that night to places far away with the likelihood that they would never see their spouses or children ever again. When it was over, and people were openly weeping, they waited to be transported -- and then learned that Miscavige was sending no one anywhere.

Hmm and this Miscavige dude sounds rather narcissistic if not a full blown psychopath.

From the fear of meetings with "COB" (David Miscavige's nickname among Scientologists, standing for "Chairman of the Board") to how everyone was trained to eat a meal in only a few minutes (or often went without meals, and usually went without sleep), you get a palpable sense of working for Scientology, or what it was like just trying to be understood: Even in a book written for the general public, Headley can't seem to keep from falling occasionally into an alphabet soup of maddening Hubbard acronyms and jargon.

To illustrate what a foreign language Scientologists speak, he provides this example, spoken by his supervisor soon after he first becomes a church employee: "The ED ordered that I go over to the PAC and see the Dissem Secs from ASHO and AO and get the WUS and EUS T&P BMO lists that we use each week for our SBC promo. I should be back here at the HGB by dinner. If the FBO or Treas Sec ask where I went, can you tell them that I am on a GI cycle for the stats."

What's it mean? Not much. Not anything worth translating, anyway. Headley says it took him years to begin figuring that out, that the nonsense language, the overdetermined hierarchy, the talking to bottles and ashtrays, the constant threat that he'd be separated forever from his wife or his parents -- that none of it added up.

The oddity with language that makes little or no sense - another psychopathic trait... and the whole manipulating how people eat and sleep... that's messed up.

Given, its a free will universe and people can do what they want, but when folks in authority blatantly abuse people it definitely erks me.
 
Wow! That's INSANE! If that is true (any documentation?) then those people are as bad as the Catholics and MIVILUDES who have the absolute gall to accuse US of being a "cult"!!!
 
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