Insights into the The Great Inversion

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Bluesky

A Disturbance in the Force
Just like described here What is The Great Inversion? - Activist Post I see a lot of alternative media types talk about how everything is a black and (false) white scenario controlled by the deep state behind the scenes. Icke, Whitney Webb, etc. all elude to this or say it outright as well as apparently, Rudolph Steiner as indicated in the above link. I get this point of view (especially Steiner's), but what rankles me is that nobody points out HOW to avoid this black and white fable we have all fallen for. It all seems to distill down to: it's all corrupt. Or Icke's basic solution: just 'love.' Which to me, feels a lot like, 'Tune in, turn on, drop out!'

I'd appreciate others' insights into how this "it's a con! look, thiel funded Vance!, etc etc." could possibly be a part of a much more sinister plot to eliminate citizens' participation in who and what they are apart of in their society. In other words, if it's ALL CORRUPT, what's the point of doing anything? Just stop voting because it's a 'big club and 'we' ain't in in', and let it crash and burn (so there can be order out of chaos??)

How is dropping out going to solve the MESS that politicians have put us in? Shouldn't we fight for transparency, rules of law that ALL must abide, term limits, etc.? Are the BIG CORRUPTION revelations that come relentlessly at this point destroying citizen motivation and mobilization, turning the US into a zombie nation of drop outs and off grid-ers because....it's all corrupt?

I can see that the 'hidden hand' has been around since, probably the inception of mankind's fall, but do they REALLY have that much control over everyone and everthing at every moment in every sliver of time?? If so, why was Hitler defeated? Was that perceived failure really a part of the deep state's devious plans? Or did humans actually rise up and defeat those plans, albeit momentarily? Can we not rally together over common-sense solutions and minimize the collective pain as a corrupt empire inevitably falls? Can we not use flawed players to help us make positive changes?

Or should we all just tune in, turn on and drop out?
 
Great post, Bluesky! LOL Hitler was stopped because that was the plan! :rotfl:

I get it. It’s like determinism or fatalism versus hopium. What you say really nails the conundrum.

Q: (L) What is the "ultimate secret" being protected by the Consortium?
A: You are not in control of yourselves, you are an experiment.

I need to think more about this before going further but thanks for crystallizing this. It is such a fundamental essential point of reference.

This problem, and coming to terms with it, may be at the gateway of something YOOGE.

PS - this also brings up the relationship between the Consortium, Quorum and Zendar and just who is really running the experiment!
 
This is like one of those questions on the exam when you say, Gee this is tough, I'll save this one for later. A tendency to avoid it. Which serves one good purpose and that is to gain experience, knowledge and perspective before facing it. But, at the end of the day, there it is, still waiting. (along with a few other big stumbling block questions that don't seem to have any really good answers.) A splinter in the back of the mind. I see it as an invitation to grow wings and fly over the walls. Easier said than done, for sure.
 
Bluesky said:
Or should we all just tune in, turn on and drop out?
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Hi Bluesky, dropping out sounds a bit defeatist but our job is to really see whats going on out there. We can watch as another civilisation collapses just like so many have done in the eons past. We can do very little but that really isn't our job. As the C's have said we are souls who do not come from here and we must try to get back to where we belong.

We came here repeatedly to learn lessons to enable us to see the set-up on earth and make a choice. Do we become so attached to materialism that we want to stay here or realise it's just a school and we want to graduate.
 
Bluesky said:
Just like described here What is The Great Inversion? - Activist Post I see a lot of alternative media types talk about how everything is a black and (false) white scenario controlled by the deep state behind the scenes. Icke, Whitney Webb, etc. all elude to this or say it outright as well as apparently, Rudolph Steiner as indicated in the above link. I get this point of view (especially Steiner's), but what rankles me is that nobody points out HOW to avoid this black and white fable we have all fallen for. It all seems to distill down to: it's all corrupt. Or Icke's basic solution: just 'love.' Which to me, feels a lot like, 'Tune in, turn on, drop out!'

I'd appreciate others' insights into how this "it's a con! look, thiel funded Vance!, etc etc." could possibly be a part of a much more sinister plot to eliminate citizens' participation in who and what they are apart of in their society. In other words, if it's ALL CORRUPT, what's the point of doing anything? Just stop voting because it's a 'big club and 'we' ain't in in', and let it crash and burn (so there can be order out of chaos??)

How is dropping out going to solve the MESS that politicians have put us in? Shouldn't we fight for transparency, rules of law that ALL must abide, term limits, etc.? Are the BIG CORRUPTION revelations that come relentlessly at this point destroying citizen motivation and mobilization, turning the US into a zombie nation of drop outs and off grid-ers because....it's all corrupt?

I can see that the 'hidden hand' has been around since, probably the inception of mankind's fall, but do they REALLY have that much control over everyone and everthing at every moment in every sliver of time?? If so, why was Hitler defeated? Was that perceived failure really a part of the deep state's devious plans? Or did humans actually rise up and defeat those plans, albeit momentarily? Can we not rally together over common-sense solutions and minimize the collective pain as a corrupt empire inevitably falls? Can we not use flawed players to help us make positive changes?

Or should we all just tune in, turn on and drop out?
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I hear you loud and clear Bluesky!

I used to have these sorts of thoughts about it all. The whole thing gets one very frustrated to say the least. So perhaps my perspective or "take" on all of this is, that Perhaps we are multi tasking with our own evolution that is inextricably entwined with our Collective evolution. Bearing in mind that every possibility already exists!

I have been interested in the way the Quantum Structure works. It is part of us and we a part of it. I believe that this is what Einstein called the "Unified Field". What I have gained from this so far, and I have to say first before I launch into this thing, that this is my personal interpretation of the Quantum Structure as I have understood it. So this is just me venturing another perspective to look from and the possibilities that this might entail. I hasten to add that I am no expert but I feel that this is as close to getting some kind of understanding of what is happening around us and how we fit into that and how we might affect it. I could be completely wrong and barking up the wrong tree and all that, but it is just my personal interpretation of the Quantum Structure as if from a child's simple perspective.

Starting with the premise that we create our own reality. What is going on in the collective, we are part of that, but at the same time, the way in which we conduct ourselves in our own arenas, will decide what your collective reality will be. My understanding is that the more we create from our hearts, the more we get to the zero point of neutrality, no judgement, and that is what builds the potency of the frequency that sets your trajectory for your new reality, being created literally moment to moment. I believe that with this potency build up, this is how manifesting can happen pretty quickly.

So as you go along in your life, creating from your heart in the most genuine and sincere way that you can, being of service to others and choosing love over fear, and joy over pain, with no judgement and such (understanding the two sides of the same coin) you will naturally create the frequency that will build in momentum (keep on keeping on) and catapult you into the reality that you want for yourself, and this might take the form of opportunities that your attract to you, including people, jobs and events. So whilst you might be seeing the collective events globally, you yourself are not affected by them directly, you are on the periphery but your own frequency will be subliminally holding the vibration for the collective. So if we keep our vibes as high and as purely intentioned as we can, we can affect what is going on collectively.

What will be superimposed over this, will be your own Soul path with all the experiences and lessons that you wanted to accomplish, and if you are aware that this programme is running in the background, you will understand that there will be times when you might be trying to create a certain reality and perhaps the opposite is happening, or the timing is dragging on and other things seem to be popping up instead, and I believe that this is when the Soul's own contract is playing out, and once you have accomplished certain of your Soul's "to do list", then your future goals creation can resume. I came to the realisation that it is all sublimely interwoven so that with the creation of each fractal moment, your Soul's own evolvement/development is interwoven with that of our Collective creativity which is interwoven, with everything. Now if that does not confuse you then nothing will lol! I know that Quantum stuff is way more complicated than how I have explained it, but I think that it is a starting point at least. The bottom line is actually that there are so many layers running over each other, and they all, are super positioned to happen within each other kind of multiple spirals all going to a point continuously.

I will end this by saying I am still learning about it all and the understanding that I have of this subject now whether it is flawed or not, is exactly what I am supposed to know at this time. We are all works in progress and things on the Collective arena always have to play out so that the personal arena can learn from it because the past present and future are interconnected simultaneously, and they all work from each other, with each other and for each other.
 
I like a lot of what you’re saying. I’m not so sure about the YCYOR premise part except to take responsibility for choosing to be here.

It’s easy enough to look around and wonder “why the heck did I create THIS reality?” To me YCYOR implies a blank slate, start from scratch, today is the first day of the rest of your life (which is always true and is a useful idea) which kind of ignores the reality created before we ever got here: karma, lessons needed to learn, and the objective observation that this reality is a bit of a mixed bag zoo to say the least.

I don’t think anyone creates in a vacuum. There are tons of realities being created simultaneously with many cross purposes. (The quantum thing you mention?) I think it was Sartre who said the beauty of the game is complicated by the presence of the other team.

If we “attract” negative stuff we don’t like, well, have we done a bad job of attracting and it’s our own damn fault or are we actually attracting what we need in order to learn those (sometimes hard) lessons we signed up for? If we need to learn perseverance, will and patience, by swimming upstream against the current, what’s the point of manifesting a speed boat with a big V8 engine, a cooler stocked with beer and snacks and a few hot babes lounging in the bow (just for good measure)? That comes back to STS which could be called the blind spot of YCYOR.

That said, I totally agree it is good to be forward looking with a positive outlook, an eye to where we are trying to go and the confidence we can and will get there.

PS wow I see you are from Malta! I did a DNA test and it said I’m 5% Maltese which surprised me. “Commerce” with the Italians, no doubt. (Wink, wink)
 
BHelmet said:
I like a lot of what you’re saying. I’m not so sure about the YCYOR premise part except to take responsibility for choosing to be here.

It’s easy enough to look around and wonder “why the heck did I create THIS reality?” To me YCYOR implies a blank slate, start from scratch, today is the first day of the rest of your life (which is always true and is a useful idea) which kind of ignores the reality created before we ever got here: karma, lessons needed to learn, and the objective observation that this reality is a bit of a mixed bag zoo to say the least.

I don’t think anyone creates in a vacuum. There are tons of realities being created simultaneously with many cross purposes. (The quantum thing you mention?) I think it was Sartre who said the beauty of the game is complicated by the presence of the other team.

If we “attract” negative stuff we don’t like, well, have we done a bad job of attracting and it’s our own damn fault or are we actually attracting what we need in order to learn those (sometimes hard) lessons we signed up for? If we need to learn perseverance, will and patience, by swimming upstream against the current, what’s the point of manifesting a speed boat with a big V8 engine, a cooler stocked with beer and snacks and a few hot babes lounging in the bow (just for good measure)? That comes back to STS which could be called the blind spot of YCYOR.

That said, I totally agree it is good to be forward looking with a positive outlook, an eye to where we are trying to go and the confidence we can and will get there.

PS wow I see you are from Malta! I did a DNA test and it said I’m 5% Maltese which surprised me. “Commerce” with the Italians, no doubt. (Wink, wink)
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That is so interesting! I am actually half Maltese and half Italian! But whilst my surname is Maltese, being a two part surname one of the names came from Southern Italy (not from my mother) and the Maltese part, from my fathers side. Think it was in the 17th century or earlier haven't had the time to do a proper investigation, the two young people were married off (as they do) The families found it to be a "beneficial" alliance lol. That's what they all say:)

Regarding the YCYOR....I have been following Marina Jacobi for a while, and the Quantum theory that she explains which is channeled by the Council of Nine, explains the theory. On her website there are free books that can be downloaded. It is bit heavy going but lots of diagrams too, which helps me as Im one of those that thinks in diagrams lol..another point talked about in the most recent session with the C's.

The thing is, that this is the closest I have gotten to making some kind sense and structure of what the meaning of life is. Why we are here, what we remember from other incarnations, and many more things. I believe it all intertwines. Possibly the wave theory could be intertwined with other theories. Often it is a particular interpretation of something that makes it feel that that it is different. We all get the same info, at different times and at the appropriate stages that we need it, like getting the second row puzzle piece only after the edges have been found. I feel that it is all inclusive.
My take on the attracting negative stuff, is that it is entirely a matter of perspective. Whilst some might see negative scenarios as something to pump your fist to the sky saying "why me?" Others will see it as opportunity for growth. I believe it is both. But one of the reasonings will only be apparent, before a certain understanding has occurred. I have had things happen to me that have shown me that I was being guided without a shadow of a doubt. My conclusion up 'til now, is that all theories are relevant.
 
nativeindigo said:
That is so interesting! I am actually half Maltese and half Italian! But whilst my surname is Maltese, being a two part surname one of the names came from Southern Italy (not from my mother) and the Maltese part, from my fathers side. Think it was in the 17th century or earlier haven't had the time to do a proper investigation, the two young people were married off (as they do) The families found it to be a "beneficial" alliance lol. That's what they all say:)
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Cool! Ships traversing the Mediterranean between Malta and Italy is as old as the hills. My Italian side is from Formia just north of Napoli. My grandfather had hazel eyes which is rare and a Maltese thing I am guessing.

No comment on Jacobi. I have a built in bias anytime I hear "quantum anything" these days and I am just an old cynical geezer who has seen my share of non-sense through the years. Best get used to it.
 
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To my mind, a lot of it has to do with smart, overly left-brained people with schizo tendencies (read McGilchrist's work to really get a handle on this).

Basically, people will make all kinds of "connections", like "See, this guy received funding from this other guy, who sat on a board once of a company whose CEO attended a Bilderberg meeting and holds stock of EvilDefenseCorp, therefore he's clearly a bad guy, and look how he once said something evil, yadayada". Stuff like that, while it can uncover interesting links if done with lots of discernment and thinking based on actual experience, more often than not it's just about presupposing the conclusion ("this guy is bad") and then running a complex algorithm to reverse-engineer that conclusion. And yes, this stuff blocks people's view of reality and of the bigger picture, and can therefore be very useful to those in power.
 
BHelmet said:
Cool! Ships traversing the Mediterranean between Malta and Italy is as old as the hills. My Italian side is from Formia just north of Napoli. My grandfather had hazel eyes which is rare and a Maltese thing I am guessing.

No comment on Jacobi. I have a built in bias anytime I hear "quantum anything" these days and I am just an old cynical geezer who has seen my share of non-sense through the years. Best get used to it.
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Yes hazel eyes definitely a Maltese thing for sure:). My Italian side from my mother's side is North, Friuli, close to the Swiss border....the wine, cheese , mortadella, herbs, food in general it just tastes so different there. I absolutely love the Italian lifestyle, my earliest memories when visiting the family, was the smell when we arrived at my Uncle and aunty's house in Varease, Adine. It was a combination of smells, freshly brewed coffee in the Bialetti coffee maker on the stove like in the old days, also it was the biscotti that my cousins used dip in their morning coffee that they used to have out of bowls, and the fresh herbs on the window cill, freshly picked for lunch when it is cooked! When I smell any one of those smells, it takes me right back there and is very nostalgic, and even makes me a little sad as there are a few people that were alive them from my family that are not longer here. Whilst I would love to live there this lifetime, I cannot as I have other plans this time round but that is the exciting thing about life, we have other lifetimes and choices!

I hear you with the quantum stuff, and totally respect all opinions. Bottom line, none of us really know for sure what is the truth of it all is, I believe that everyone has their own connections to theories, and people. I suspect that they all have a place and are connected in some way! We are all trying to find something that links us to our core truth of who we are, what we want to achieve here. And just for the record, Cynical is good! Nothing wrong with that!
 
Bluesky said:
Just like described here What is The Great Inversion? - Activist Post ...
... Can we not rally together over common-sense solutions and minimize the collective pain as a corrupt empire inevitably falls?..
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In the conclusion of the mentioned article is written : "Regardless of who is behind the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, the incident will be used to further bolster support for the corrupted political system and to stoke more division in the American people.”

Hence, in order not to support this agenda :
- Knowledge of "the corrupted political system", be it Left or said Dems, Right or would be Reps, uni-White or multipolar-Black and Whoever in search of Power. Thus not having any confidence in it and be aware of its tricks.
- Thinking and acting against division, where for instance one believes s-he knows better and is obviously right when the other definitely doesn't, fueling hate while saying that the 'enemy' is responsible for it.

First comes the need to rally with oneself and be authentic. Then you find 'together solutions' with other like-minded people, depending of who, where, when you are. If we don't own the fruits of our actions (as taught in the Bhagavad Gita), we are here to take care of our part of garden, and learn how to grow and, ultimately, rise
 
Esote said:
In the conclusion of the mentioned article is written : "Regardless of who is behind the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, the incident will be used to further bolster support for the corrupted political system and to stoke more division in the American people.”

Hence, in order not to support this agenda :
- Knowledge of "the corrupted political system", be it Left or said Dems, Right or would be Reps, uni-White or multipolar-Black and Whoever in search of Power. Thus not having any confidence in it and be aware of its tricks.
- Thinking and acting against division, where for instance one believes s-he knows better and is obviously right when the other definitely doesn't, fueling hate while saying that the 'enemy' is responsible for it.

First comes the need to rally with oneself and be authentic. Then you find 'together solutions' with other like-minded people, depending of who, where, when you are. If we don't own the fruits of our actions (as taught in the Bhagavad Gita), we are here to take care of our part of garden, and learn how to grow and, ultimately, rise
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I think as with most things that are tried by the powers that were, it very often backfires. Consciousness cannot be held down and this has fuelled a lot of conversations and debate about the mind games that are being played.....it is actually waking people up! The fact that Mr T was not badly hurt is proof that it was not supposed to go that way! In fact, I am seeing that it has only fuelled the flames in the opposite direction than what they had wanted! If they are allowed to tip any further away from balance, then destruction and chaos will follow. I don't believe that is our destiny, but that does not mean that it wont get a little hairy along the way!
 
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