Interpreter at Mandela event

Horseofadifferentcolor said:
This is what I thought. Maybe he was a setup that failed. All the major news players are reporting on this. The article on the guardian was insane and basically is wildly blaming everyone, but seems to be missing the point.

This guy has the same flavor as the Navy yard shooting. It feels like it is setting stage for something else. It smells fishy to me. In the very least it was one more thing to distract from the honor being given. The comments under all the articles bickering among themselves on who is to blame is just like other tragic events, were the main points are overlooked and everyone just wants to point fingers to see who is at fault.

Could it be a message to Obama, that he shouldn't feel too secure and should stay in line, otherwise unfortunate and crazy things may happen? Something along the line of "a message" sent to Sarcozy awhile back?

http://www.sott.net/article/161287-UPDATE-Connecting-the-Dots-The-Axis-of-Evil-in-Motion-Under-Peculiar-Cosmic-Weather
Even more interesting was French president Nicolas Sarkozy's recent visit to Israel. Before the Knesset, he did his best to make it clear that he is on the side of the Zionists, pledging to "block" Iran from developing nuclear weapons and even offering France's soldiers and resources to aid Israel. During the farewell ceremony at Ben Gurion airport, a guard tasked with perimeter security died of a gunshot wound to the head. The official story is that he decided to commit suicide right there and then (perhaps we are meant to believe that this man didn't take goodbyes very well). This is strange enough to raise severe suspicions, especially because his family believes he had no reason to commit suicide; he was standing on a rooftop just 100 meters from Sarkozy, Olmert and Shimon Peres; and a police spokesman initially said that it was being investigated whether the man had "accidentally discharged his weapon", an unlikely scenario given that he was shot in the head.

It almost looks like a failed assassination attempt. Of course, we do not have enough data to confirm this hypothesis, nor can we claim that Sarkozy himself was the target, as there were enough important people on the tarmac to provide several viable targets. Perhaps it is a mere coincidence, but a day and a half after the 'suicide', Ben Gurion airport held a disaster drill testing readiness to handle a large crash - the sort of exercise that may be useful to destroy evidence and cover the tracks of any wrongdoing.

An alternative explanation is that this was no failed attempt but a message meant to intimidate Sarkozy. If this is the case, it is reminiscent of the event more than a month ago, in which Tony Blair was threatened by Israeli fighter jets while flying over the country.
 
Horseofadifferentcolor said:
This guy has the same flavor as the Navy yard shooting. It feels like it is setting stage for something else. It smells fishy to me. In the very least it was one more thing to distract from the honor being given. The comments under all the articles bickering among themselves on who is to blame is just like other tragic events, were the main points are overlooked and everyone just wants to point fingers to see who is at fault.
Yes, the last salute to a great man was a disaster. View attitudes of many pathologicals who were very happy to turn all that into something shallow and empty, and was a triumph for them, because the man was his enemy (pathologicals that should not have been there in the first place!!). Even there was no Israeli representation but everything just went wrong.
http://www.sott.net/article/270093-Mandela-Memorial-a-disgrace-turnout-embarrassingly-poor
 
Keit said:
Could it be a message to Obama, that he shouldn't feel too secure and should stay in line, otherwise unfortunate and crazy things may happen? Something along the line of "a message" sent to Sarcozy awhile back?
Very interesting Keit! Well, maybe there were Israeli representation after all. They seem desperate to attack Iran and increase pressure on their puppets.
 
Palinurus said:
mkrnhr said:
On the other hand, since presidents talk gibberish anyway, the interpreter did some good job at some level :halo:

In that vein, I found this gif :lol: :

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Ha! :lol:
 
The latest update from: _http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/bogus-signer-thamsanqa-jantjie-accused-of-burning-2-men-to-death-1.2465615
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Bogus signer Thamsanqa Jantjie accused of burning 2 men to death
Sign language interpreter at Mandela memorial helped in 2003 necklacing of thieves, friends say


The Associated Press Posted: Dec 16, 2013 8:23 AM ET Last Updated: Dec 16, 2013 8:54 AM ET

The bogus sign language interpreter at last week's Nelson Mandela memorial service was among a group of people who accosted two men found with a stolen television and burned them to death by setting fire to tires placed around their necks, one of the interpreter's cousins and three of his friends told The Associated Press Monday.

But Thamsanqa Jantjie never went to trial for the 2003 killings when other suspects did in 2006 because authorities determined he was not mentally fit to stand trial, said the four. They insisted on speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the fake signing fiasco, which has deeply embarrassed South Africa's government and prompted a high-level investigation into how it happened.

Their account of the killings matched a description of the crime and the outcome for Jantjie that he himself described in an interview published on Sunday by the Sunday Times newspaper of Johannesburg.

Jantjie not reachable

"It was a community thing, what you call mob justice, and I was also there," Jantjie told the newspaper.

Jantjie was not at his house Monday, and the cousin told AP Jantjie had been picked up by someone in a car Sunday and had not returned. His cellphone rang through to an automatic message saying Jantjie was not reachable.

Instead of standing trial, Jantjie was institutionalized for a period of longer than a year, the four said, and then returned to live in his poor township neighbourhood on the outskirts of Soweto. At some point after that, they said, he started getting jobs doing sign language interpretation at events for the governing African National Congress Party.

Jantjie told the AP last week he has schizophrenia and hallucinated, seeing angels while gesturing incoherently just a metre away from President Barack Obama and other world leaders during the Tuesday ceremony at a Soweto stadium. Signing experts said his arm and hand movements were mere gibberish.

In the interview last Thursday, Jantjie said he had been violent in the past "a lot" but declined to provide more details and blamed his violence on his schizophrenia, for which he said he was institutionalized for 19 months in a period that included time during 2006. The cousin and the three friends said the "necklacing" killing of the suspected thieves occurred within a few hundred metres from Jantjie's tidy concrete home near ramshackle dwellings.

Necklacing fairly common

The four spoke to the AP on Monday in Jantjie's neighbourhood, and one of the friends described himself as Jantjie's best friend.

Necklacing was a method of killing that was fairly common during the struggle against apartheid by blacks on blacks suspected of aiding the white government or belonging to opposing factions. The method was also used in tribal disputes in the 1980s and 1990s. While people who encounter suspect thieves in South Africa have been known to beat or kill them to mete out punishment, necklacing them has been rare.

An investigation is under way by South African officials to determine who hired Jantjie as the onstage interpreter at the Mandela memorial service and if and how he received security clearance. The officials have not said how long their investigation will take place, and reaching them for updates was difficult Monday, a public holiday in South Africa.

Four government departments involved in organizing the historic memorial service have distanced themselves from the hiring of Jantjie, telling the AP they had no contact with him. A fifth government agency, the Department of Public Works, declined to comment and referred all inquiries about Jantjie to the office of South Africa's top government spokeswoman, who has only said a "comprehensive report" will eventually be released.

'University of Tecturers'

Jantjie told the AP he was hired for the event by an interpretation company that has used him on a freelance basis for years, but government officials have said the owners of the company have disappeared. The address that Jantjie provided for the company was occupied by a different company that is not involved in interpreting for the deaf.

The AP was unable to verify the existence of the school where Jantjie said he studied signing for a year. An online search for the school, which Jantjie said was called Komani and located in Eastern Cape Province, turned up nothing. Advocates for the deaf said they have never heard of the school and said there are no known sign language institutes in the province.

The Star newspaper of Johannesburg reported Friday that Jantjie said he studied sign language interpretation in Britain at the "University of Tecturers." A British charity that awards qualifications for deaf and deaf-blind communications techniques said it had never heard of the university.

© The Associated Press, 2013
 
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