Is there revolution going on in Spain?

Kaigen

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Hello in the last few days I saw many blogs referring to the Protests in Spain. This time much bigger than in last years.
Some sites are posting there are millions of people on the streets and major places in the biggest cites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cqR-kihqb0&feature=player_embedded

German video here looks like this information is from the first hand, Is anybody in Spain now?
This Video is from last week but seams that people are still there and build tent camps.

Maybe someone have more relevant informations to this topic?
 
tonosama said:
Hello in the last few days I saw many blogs referring to the Protests in Spain. This time much bigger than in last years.
Some sites are posting there are millions of people on the streets and major places in the biggest cites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cqR-kihqb0&feature=player_embedded

German video here looks like this information is from the first hand, Is anybody in Spain now?
This Video is from last week but seams that people are still there and build tent camps.

Maybe someone have more relevant informations to this topic?

I don't know if it becomes a revolution but there's a global media blackout about this. And it's the 5th or 6th day of the protests ??


_http://www.spanishrevolution.eu/
_http://www.virtualtv.ya.st/
 
The thing is "the powers" were waiting for it to disolve, "let people feel they have done the right thing for one day and then go home proud" but this has not occurred, especially young people is determined to continue, or so it seems. In Catalonia for example they have picked up their sleeping bags, their toothbrushes, and have set shifts to remain encamped in the Catalunya square, sharing meals, helping the cleaning services each morning to clean up and living in peace, showing care and preocupation for what people who come there think, establishing clear communication with them, sharing the common concerns and in that they are being wise as serpents and gentle as doves, because people is starting to see and to support them.

Their main concern is the state of social unrest wich we are living, there is clear indignation but also will to stand against it.
They talk for example of the hypocrisy of the current political system in Spain, the two-party monopoly at hands of PP and PSOE, the use of democratic ideals very settled in the heart of the Spanish people to insert a capitalist system devoid of any real concern for them. The rescue of the banks with the people's money while the banks where leaving without home to many people maintaining active the rest of their debt with them. The corruption in many spheres, The futility of an education system wich does not guarantee the right to a job...

I think it is a sign that things are speeding up!

We'll see what happens from now on.
 
I live in Barcelona, nothing new around me.
I've not detected any comment about the events at Plaça Catalunya (Catalonia Square).
Moreover I only see the same funny stuff: football, lady gaga, and other useless information people talk about.
I see restaurants full of people, smiling, laughing, and of course 'hip-hip-hurra' for Football Club Barcelona.

Sincerely, may be I live near people that do not suffer to eat at the end of the month.
I do not see desperate people around me, neither speaking about a revolution.
I only see the same conformism, the same attitude: this is the way it works, and nothing can be done.

But I perceive something big may be near the corner.
Another person shares this thought too.
I do not anticipate, nonetheless I feel the need to prepare my self for the worst (even to buy and stock food).

If something amazing happens, I will post.
 
The world news in today's paper has a picture and article on the Spanish Rally - 'Youth Without a Future', they are young people, especially graduates without jobs unable to start a career, and having to live off their parents. For the past week they have had nightly demontrations in Madrid and elsewhere. The movement was organised on the internet.

Apparently there are also local elections today and the demontrations are drawing a lot of disenfranchised of all ages to the streets, it seems as if Madrid's Puerta del Sol square is a central venue.

My information is from the 'Sunday Herald - at least it's not a Murdoch newspaper, so it probably has more info than disinfo.
 
Hi !
There has been manifestations in all the big cities, normally people took over the main squares.
They (we ) want to change the complete political system, they want real democracy. They are collecting new ideas how to change the system. They are clean, pacifific, intelligent. Lot of older people supports the idea as well, because they are also already fed up from what is happening here in Spain.
They want to be free of any political parties, of course because of the elections they wanted to be part of this, but they refused. They also don´t want the TV stations there, because they think media spreading rubbish and they don´t support culture .They have to stop for 2 days now because of the elections, but they want to continue until they dont find solutions for every social problem.
Apparently they hate the financial system and our dependence on it, and they recommended to take out our money from the banks and this way help to collapse the bank system.
Politicians are quite confused , they don´t know how to behave. These young people have better and more ideas how to change the country like all the politicians together, so it looks like the politicians are not really necessary anymore. ( I don´t think they will give up so easily their dream lifes ).
Have a look on youtube you can find good videos about it (not so much of course), or go on facebook and find spanishrevolution , there are lots of comentaries in english as well.
They are thousands of peoples on the squares and thousand supporting the idea from all around the world, hopefully we start to wake up now, and its beautiful, jaela
 
Here is a manifesto from 'Democracia Real Ya' which mainly organized the protests :

__http://democraciarealya.es/?page_id=814

We are ordinary people. We are like you: people, who get up every morning to study, work or find a job, people who have family and friends. People, who work hard every day to provide a better future for those around us.
Some of us consider ourselves progressive, others conservative. Some of us are believers, some not. Some of us have clearly defined ideologies, others are apolitical, but we are all concerned and angry about the political, economic, and social outlook which we see around us: corruption among politicians, businessmen, bankers, leaving us helpless, without a voice.

This situation has become normal, a daily suffering, without hope. But if we join forces, we can change it. It’s time to change things, time to build a better society together. Therefore, we strongly argue that:

The priorities of any advanced society must be equality, progress, solidarity, freedom of culture, sustainability and development, welfare and people’s happiness.
These are inalienable truths that we should abide by in our society: the right to housing, employment, culture, health, education, political participation, free personal development, and consumer rights for a healthy and happy life.

The current status of our government and economic system does not take care of these rights, and in many ways is an obstacle to human progress.
Democracy belongs to the people (demos = people, krátos = government) which means that government is made of every one of us. However, in Spain most of the political class does not even listen to us. Politicians should be bringing our voice to the institutions, facilitating the political participation of citizens through direct channels that provide the greatest benefit to the wider society, not to get rich and prosper at our expense, attending only to the dictatorship of major economic powers and holding them in power through a bipartidism headed by the immovable acronym PP & PSOE.

Lust for power and its accumulation in only a few; create inequality, tension and injustice, which leads to violence, which we reject. The obsolete and unnatural economic model fuels the social machinery in a growing spiral that consumes itself by enriching a few and sends into poverty the rest. Until the collapse.

The will and purpose of the current system is the accumulation of money, not regarding efficiency and the welfare of society. Wasting resources, destroying the planet, creating unemployment and unhappy consumers.

Citizens are the gears of a machine designed to enrich a minority which does not regard our needs. We are anonymous, but without us none of this would exist, because we move the world.

If as a society we learn to not trust our future to an abstract economy, which never returns benefits for the most, we can eliminate the abuse that we are all suffering.

We need an ethical revolution. Instead of placing money above human beings, we shall put it back to our service. We are people, not products. I am not a product of what I buy, why I buy and who I buy from.

For all of the above, I am outraged.
I think I can change it.
I think I can help.
I know that together we can.I think I can help.

I know that together we can.
 
Hi, I'm from Madrid (Spain) and I've been following the "Puerta del Sol Camp" meeting on the streets and on the Internet from the first day up to now; And I want to tell you something:

- Up to the election day (May 22) I was impressed by the different kind of people (Young and not so young) on the street, the apolitical but clean messages they were following, and their peaceful ways; And on Friday 20 night, by their courage as the demonstration was declared illegal from Saturday 21 - 00h00 being this day the day before election day (22) based on the fact that the day before election day all political propaganda is banned by law.

- So, as everybody knows, they continued with their "Puerta del Sol Camp" and I went to see how the thing evolved on Tuesday 24 afternoon. Well, to resume I would say that what I found there was something like a "Hippie Circus", different meetings of 20 to 100 people on the streets nearby debating from Reiki to banking to ecology... and with different "public games and talks" on the camp.

- Somehow lost, when I returned home I went to the Internet to check in one of the main pages of "the movement" (http://www.democraciarealya.es/?page_id=234) but, from that day up to now I've not seen any reasonable proposal to continue their actions. They just kind of "celebrate" the camp success but nothing more (Today 27 they are saying people must go there at 19h00 "with flowers": !!)

- Because of that, I felt so sad that I started to write comments via Facebook on their page begging they stop that circus and asking for an "executive" message from them which could lead people to continue in more practical ways... Three days now and no answer (And I was only one of very much people asking for the same things)

- Then... A very singular comment popped out from "who knows who". The comment suggested us to check this link:

http://antimperialista.blogia.com/2011/052401-los-vinculos-de-enrique-dans-promotor-del-movimiento-15m-con-la-oligarquia-finan.php

As the link is in Spanish, I resume: They say that one of the main persons behind "The movement" is a young executive (Enrique Dans) who works thigtly in the financial world and that this thing, was somehow astounding. Furthermore they suggest the reader to check this other one link (A "Global research article regarding "Manufacturing Dissidence"):

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2120

- Well, after checking all this, I posted a comment asking for an answer from them to this opinion (In not offensive ways)... No answer. So, after 10 minutes, I decided to repeat my comment twice, and then three... But, there were no three times, my repetitions were erased and today, after the night here in Spain, my comments on this point are erased.

And all that is what lead me here to SOTT forum to share this info. Then, Who's behind "Puerta del Sol Camp" in Madrid?
 
Here is a manifesto from 'Democracia Real Ya' which mainly organized the protests :

this manifesto sounds communistic (world government) IMHO. If what Efeuvete reports in her post turns out to be true, combined with this kind of manifesto, it could indeed look like a guided effort to rouses the masses and use them for nefarious purposes. FWIW.
 
Jeremy F Kreuz said:
Here is a manifesto from 'Democracia Real Ya' which mainly organized the protests :

this manifesto sounds communistic (world government) IMHO. If what Efeuvete reports in her post turns out to be true, combined with this kind of manifesto, it could indeed look like a guided effort to rouses the masses and use them for nefarious purposes. FWIW.

I don't think it sounds 'communistic', but then again I could be communistically bent :P . Care to extrapolate JFK?
 
Jeremy F Kreuz said:
Here is a manifesto from 'Democracia Real Ya' which mainly organized the protests :

this manifesto sounds communistic (world government) IMHO. If what Efeuvete reports in her post turns out to be true, combined with this kind of manifesto, it could indeed look like a guided effort to rouses the masses and use them for nefarious purposes. FWIW.

As far as my objective data, my common sense, and my point of view about "The Powers that Be" can go, this what I think:

1) (February - March 2011) A boiling pot of messages regarding "Something must be done with this political-banking affair" is detected on the internet (Mainly, young people)
2) The Power that Be, well above the two main political parties (Left - From last 7 years on power, and Right - From may 22 starting their take over) decided that this "situation" must be "Channelized"
3) (May) They choose to "Manufacture Dissidence" using the same fire is boiling the pot: The internet, and promote the "Puerta de Sol Camp" from Facebook and twitter.
4) Once dissidence has been channelized (May 23, election day) they stop the thing and start to promote a circus to start releasing the boiling pressure

How cold has been to see there were not any answer to my, and from other people, questions for hours (Days) and nevertheless they erased my third comment addressing to that page in 2 seconds. Really cold, ice cold.
 
I can extrapolate

here is their manifesto with quotes from the communist manifesto of Karl Marx intersected. (quote of the communist manifesto in bold)

We are ordinary people.

Working Men of All Countries,

We are like you: people, who get up every morning to study, work or find a job, people who have family and friends. People, who work hard every day to provide a better future for those around us.

a class of labourers, who live only so long as they find work, and who find work only so long as their labour increases capital. These labourers, who must sell themselves piecemeal, are a commodity, like every other article of commerce, and are consequently exposed to all the vicissitudes of competition, to all the fluctuations of the market.

Some of us consider ourselves progressive, others conservative. Some of us are believers, some not. Some of us have clearly defined ideologies, others are apolitical,

in other words, the more modern industry becomes developed, the more is the labour of men superseded by that of women. Differences of age and sex have no longer any distinctive social validity for the working class. All are instruments of labour, more or less expensive to use, according to their age and sex.

The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to the other working-class parties. They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole. They do not set up any sectarian principles of their own, by which to shape and mould the proletarian movement.

but we are all concerned and angry about the political, economic, and social outlook which we see around us: corruption among politicians, businessmen, bankers, leaving us helpless, without a voice.

The immediate aim of the Communists is the same as that of all other proletarian parties: formation of the proletariat into a class, overthrow of the bourgeois supremacy, conquest of political power by the proletariat.

The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.

This situation has become normal, a daily suffering, without hope. But if we join forces, we can change it. It’s time to change things, time to build a better society together. Therefore, we strongly argue that:

Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other — Bourgeoisie and Proletariat.

Working Men of All Countries, Unite.

The priorities of any advanced society must be equality, progress, solidarity, freedom of culture, sustainability and development, welfare and people’s happiness.
These are inalienable truths that we should abide by in our society: the right to housing, employment, culture, health, education, political participation, free personal development, and consumer rights for a healthy and happy life.

Communism deprives no man of the power to appropriate the products of society; all that it does is to deprive him of the power to subjugate the labour of others by means of such appropriations.


The current status of our government and economic system does not take care of these rights, and in many ways is an obstacle to human progress.

You are horrified at our intending to do away with private property. But in your existing society, private property is already done away with for nine-tenths of the population; its existence for the few is solely due to its non-existence in the hands of those nine-tenths. You reproach us, therefore, with intending to do away with a form of property, the necessary condition for whose existence is the non-existence of any property for the immense majority of society.

Democracy belongs to the people (demos = people, krátos = government) which means that government is made of every one of us.

We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy.

However, in Spain most of the political class does not even listen to us. Politicians should be bringing our voice to the institutions, facilitating the political participation of citizens through direct channels that provide the greatest benefit to the wider society, not to get rich and prosper at our expense, attending only to the dictatorship of major economic powers and holding them in power through a bipartidism headed by the immovable acronym PP & PSOE.

But don’t wrangle with us so long as you apply, to our intended abolition of bourgeois property, the standard of your bourgeois notions of freedom, culture, law, &c. Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of the conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class made into a law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economical conditions of existence of your class.

Lust for power and its accumulation in only a few; create inequality, tension and injustice, which leads to violence, which we reject. The obsolete and unnatural economic model fuels the social machinery in a growing spiral that consumes itself by enriching a few and sends into poverty the rest. Until the collapse.

A similar movement is going on before our own eyes. Modern bourgeois society, with its relations of production, of exchange and of property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorcerer who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells.

The will and purpose of the current system is the accumulation of money, not regarding efficiency and the welfare of society. Wasting resources, destroying the planet, creating unemployment and unhappy consumers.

The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

Citizens are the gears of a machine designed to enrich a minority which does not regard our needs. We are anonymous, but without us none of this would exist, because we move the world.

The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.


If as a society we learn to not trust our future to an abstract economy, which never returns benefits for the most, we can eliminate the abuse that we are all suffering.

In bourgeois society, therefore, the past dominates the present; in Communist society, the present dominates the past. In bourgeois society capital is independent and has individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no individuality.

We need an ethical revolution. Instead of placing money above human beings, we shall put it back to our service. We are people, not products. I am not a product of what I buy, why I buy and who I buy from.

All that we want to do away with is the miserable character of this appropriation, under which the labourer lives merely to increase capital, and is allowed to live only in so far as the interest of the ruling class requires it.

When people speak of the ideas that revolutionise society, they do but express that fact that within the old society the elements of a new one have been created, and that the dissolution of the old ideas keeps even pace with the dissolution of the old conditions of existence.

For all of the above, I am outraged.
I think I can change it.
I think I can help.
I know that together we can.I think I can help.

I know that together we can.

Working Men of All Countries, Unite.

That does sound very similar to me. Now taking into account the infomation written down by Douglas Reed in the COntroversy of Zion about how the communist movement was and still is one part of the same plan to install a world government ruled by psychopaths, (communism focusing on manipulation of the masses, while zionism focuses on the rulers) this does raises a few questions. Of course I can be way off.
 
Jeremy F Kreuz said:
I can extrapolate
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That does sound very similar to me. Now taking into account the infomation written down by Douglas Reed in the COntroversy of Zion about how the communist movement was and still is one part of the same plan to install a world government ruled by psychopaths, (communism focusing on manipulation of the masses, while zionism focuses on the rulers) this does raises a few questions. Of course I can be way off.

Yes I see the likeness but there is a certain gist in the latter one(timewise) that bespeaks me... Anyways, it's not the manifesto that kills it's the interpretations thereof.

Can we agree on this:
STO work is to "separate the wheat from the chaff".
STS foment separation among (ordinary) people.

Really bad metaphor that wheat stuff but I guess You get the point?
 
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