Is this an example of STO candidate?

[Ancient of Lore]

Hello fellow forumers. So I encountered this video on YouTube TedxTalks channel about a disabled person and his outlook on life.

I really liked his philosophy and wanted to find the opinion of fellow readers if this is an example of STO candidate.

The thing is he died 1 month after he made this speech to the public and I'm curious if he could possibly go to 4D STO after this life. Maybe on subconscious level his soul finally decided it was time to forward.

 

[Chimpazilla]

I have seen this before and his strength and wisdom makes me cry. There are many like him. I too wonder what an STO candidate looks like, what are all the characteristics? It seems that even if one is a candidate, they can still choose to stay in 3D to help out. I suppose we won't know until we are faced with the choice. I REALLY want to be a 4D STO candidate, but have I done enough? And is this desire to be an STO candidate actually STS in nature? I struggle with this thought. I really want everyone to go together!

 

[beetlemaniac]

I have seen this before and his strength and wisdom makes me cry. There are many like him. I too wonder what an STO candidate looks like, what are all the characteristics? It seems that even if one is a candidate, they can still choose to stay in 3D to help out. I suppose we won't know until we are faced with the choice. I REALLY want to be a 4D STO candidate, but have I done enough? And is this desire to be an STO candidate actually STS in nature? I struggle with this thought. I really want everyone to go together!

Hi Chimpazilla,

I would say that it's not for certain that there is a specific guideline to be an STO candidate but the C's have dropped lots of clues throughout their sessions. I remember one particular one regarding being helpful and balanced:

Session 14 January 1995
Forum discussion

[...]
Q: (T) You were saying that when the transition comes about that there would be a 3rd and 4th level earth, and some people would be 3rd density on the 3rd density earth, and some would be 4th density on the 4th level earth.

A: One possibility for you to ponder.

Q: (L) Okay, let's take a short break... [break] Now, guys, I guess you have been listening to our discussion and you listened to Jan read the paragraph from the article about 4th density experience being the highest level of wishful thinking, that wishful thinking becomes reality... (J) Or did I take it out of context?

A: Close. STS.

Q: (L) So, STO wishful thinking...

A: STO does not wishfully think.

Q: (L) Well, how does STO think? (T) Responsibly... (L)[experiencing acute pinching feeling at nape of neck] God! You guys are doing strange things to my body...

A: Helpful and balanced. Wishes are strictly STS.

Q: (L) So, acceptance of experience in the sense of just allowing things to happen and responding in a balanced and helpful way is an STO response or experience in 4th density, is that correct?

A: Close.

Q: (L) And therefore, seeing things moving past such as what I saw by my window, and responding to them basically in an open, curious, and allowing way would have been an STO response, is that correct?

A: Maybe.

Q: (T) It depends on how you respond curiously. (T) The Lizzies are hanging out in 4th density too, and they are not STO, are they?

A: Correct.

Q: (T) So, they are not having STO helpful, responsible..

A: True.

Q: (T) So, in 4th density, both types can still happen?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) The desired type is the STO type thinking...?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) But STS thinking is also available if that is the way you decide to go when you get there?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) This of course limits you in your ability to move up to 6th density?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Once you are in 4th density, if you choose STS, can you change it to STO?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So you can move back and forth as you so desire and it is all still free will?

A: If you move from STS to STO in 4th level, you don't move back.

Q: (T) Once you are STS in 4th density you have to stay there? (L) No. (J) If you move from STS to STO in 4th density you don't go back to STS, you stay at STO, is that correct? (T) That's what I mean, once you have decided to do STO, that's where you stay because you don't have any desire to go back to STS?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, it is not so much that you don't have a choice, it is just that you don't want to go back to STS?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So if you move up and do what the Lizards are doing, then you continue to do that until you get tired of it or see different, or become enlightened and then move to STO and then that's where you will want to stay?

A: Open.

Q: (T) Can you move from STO back to STS? I know you said you can't, but that's because you choose not to?

A: Natural factors prohibit this.

Q: (L) So, I guess that once you get to STO natural factors, the nature of that position is that you just simply don't... it just doesn't happen.

A: Now, blockbuster for you: 3rd level beings who reach total STO profile automatically and instantaneously go to 4th level at moment achieved!

Q: (T) They just vanish? Have people done that before here?

A: Yes.
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And we have to have completed our "simple karmic understandings" as well, and this session provides some clues on that:

Session 29 June 1996
Forum discussion

A: You see, my dear, when you arrive at 4th density, then you will see.

Q: (L) Well, how in the heck am I supposed to get there if I can't "get it?"

A: Who says you have to "get it" before you get there?

Q: (L) Well, that leads back to: what is the wave going to do to expand this awareness? Because, if the wave is what "gets you there," what makes this so?

A: No. It is like this: After you have completed all your lessons in "third grade," where do you go?

Q: (L) So, it is a question of...

A: Answer, please.

Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.

A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in 4th grade in order to be allowed to go there? Answer.

Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd density things...

A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have learned all of the lessons.

Q: (L) What kind of lessons are we talking about here?

A: Karmic and simple understandings.

Q: (L) What are the key elements of these understandings, and are they fairly universal?

A: They are universal.

Q: (L) What are they?

A: We cannot tell you that.

Q: (L) Do they have to do with discovering the MEANINGS of the symbology of 3rd density existence, seeing behind the veil... and reacting to things according to choice? Giving each thing or person or event its due?

A: Okay. But you cannot force the issue. When you have learned, you have learned!

Q: (L) I just want to make sure that I am doing the most I can do. I don't want to have to come back to 3rd density. If I can accelerate things a little...

A: You cannot, so just enjoy the ride. Learning is fun!

Q: (L) Now, you told me research and meditate upon unstable gravity waves. And, that once I understood this, quantum physics would be perfectly clear to me, and basically everything would be perfectly clear. Now, I have been struggling with this...

A: That is just the point, Laura! When it is a struggle, you are not learning. So stop struggling and meditate. i.e. enjoy the ride.

I feel that there is an urgency to our situation as well, looking at how the PTB have mobilized all their tools of control of the population, the weird weather, and overall chaos in the atmosphere. Yet, the C's have said, we can't rush the process and things need to take their time as well. It's not productive to be worried about whether we have "done enough" or not, OSIT. Though we do seem to be "built and designed" and seeded in 3D for productive activity, we're not specifically human "doings" we are human beings. So, I don't think the STO pathway works by way of calculation of all the good deeds that you've done, but this is just my speculation. I hope this makes some sense and helps somewhat.

 

[Chimpazilla]

Hi Chimpazilla,

I would say that it's not for certain that there is a specific guideline to be an STO candidate but the C's have dropped lots of clues throughout their sessions. I remember one particular one regarding being helpful and balanced:

Thank you beetlemaniac for this extensive and helpful reply! I have been pondering this over the last 24 hours, and I think I have arrived at the conclusion that the best way to prepare for 4th STO is to try to live it now, as best as we understand it, by living honestly and truthfully, being helpful when we can, being kind but not a doormat, being fearless, lightening our load in every way, and just trying to embody those qualities now as much as possible in an STS world. I understand about "contemplate, don't anticipate" and that is hard to do but I get it. Thanks again!

 

[Augustus Ceasar]

Hi Chimpazilla,

I would say that it's not for certain that there is a specific guideline to be an STO candidate but the C's have dropped lots of clues throughout their sessions. I remember one particular one regarding being helpful and balanced:



And we have to have completed our "simple karmic understandings" as well, and this session provides some clues on that:



I feel that there is an urgency to our situation as well, looking at how the PTB have mobilized all their tools of control of the population, the weird weather, and overall chaos in the atmosphere. Yet, the C's have said, we can't rush the process and things need to take their time as well. It's not productive to be worried about whether we have "done enough" or not, OSIT. Though we do seem to be "built and designed" and seeded in 3D for productive activity, we're not specifically human "doings" we are human beings. So, I don't think the STO pathway works by way of calculation of all the good deeds that you've done, but this is just my speculation. I hope this makes some sense and helps somewhat.

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A: Now, blockbuster for you: 3rd level beings who reach total STO profile automatically and instantaneously go to 4th level at moment achieved!

Q: (T) They just vanish? Have people done that before here?

A: Yes.
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I have read about some who had attained such state while in physical body.

One such person is Vallalar from India (19th Century)(see links below).

He realised that God is Light emanating unconditional Grace and Love/Compassion and spread this message. He is said to have attained a light body transmuting all organic matter. He "discouraged to worship of his own figure and image and instead persistently kept the supreme Divine, the Lord of Vast Grace Light, as the goal to be pursued and presented Him in the form of the light of a lamp duly sanctified and lit by himself. This attitude was the need of the hour of God as the Swami wanted his disciples and devotees also to aspire, without diversion, through the worship of the said form of light and through the mantra of Light for the universal manifestation of the divine Light of Grace."

Miracles by Vallalar - Vallalar, வள்ளலார் , Ramalinga Adigalar , Thiru Arutprakasa Vallalar , தயவு , திருஅருட்பிரகாச வள்ளலார், சிதம்பரம் இராமலிங்கம் , சமரச சுத்த சன்மார்க்க சத்திய சங்கம் , VallalarSpace , ThiruArutpa , Thiruvarutpa , அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோத

Vallalar, தயவு, ஜோதி, வள்ளல் பெருமான்,இராமலிங்க வள்ளலார்,திரு அருட்பா, சமரச சுத்த சன்மார்க்க சத்திய சங்கம், கல்பட்டு ஐயா, அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி தனிப்பெருங்கருணை அருட்பெருஞ்ஜோதி, மேட்டுக் குப்பம் சித்திவளாகம், சன்மார்க்கி, தருமச்சாலை, ஆன்ம நேய, Kalpattuayya, Ramalinga...

www.vallalar.org

Ramalinga Swamigal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There are many such realized persons who were witnessed to have merged with the light /vanished while in physical form. They did this by having a selfless character and expressing only unconditional Love for others and deep yearning for the Creator.

One such person's feat is explained in below link -

The Story of Gnana Sambandar’s Enlightenment

Sadhguru tells us the story of Sambandar, one of the Nayanmars, who created a situation at his wedding where all the guests attained to the ultimate!

isha.sadhguru.org

 

[Deleted member 4320]

STO and STS are about the utilization of energy.

STS individuals utilize energy for themselves or others STS vs STO individuals utilize energy expressing that energy toward the Universe, touching and empowered the source of the information that is True and source of creativeness of the Universe.

For instance, first for STS: some John Doe goes to work to earn money which finally spends on food, clothes, entertainment, holiday, car. All of that is for himself individually or family that this individual treats as a "possession", his genes. Let's add to this his employer: this is some corporation that gathers others for whom the motivation is to earn money and the whole corporation's production and service is dictated by the hidden connections to the international institutions, being higher in the hierarchy, that are working strictly in STS principles.

In other words: energy is inserted into working in the job and is ultimately utilized as the form of pleasure and possession by Mr. Doe and empowers STS institutions. And this is STS - energy is generated by some individual and is finally utilized by this STS individual himself or other STS individuals. It doesn't require truth in it or something like that.

Now, STO. The most exemplary way to describe the STO is the process of sharing information with others that are true without any kind of direct benefit for self. So, for instance, you write a post on the forum, you put energy into the writing of that post, you do not get any money for it, you do not get physical pleasure for it, instead of pleasure you get a certain dose of suffering because you have mobilized and focus yourself on writing a post, to all of these, this post represents information which represents truth, and ultimately by that, the post comes to merge with the Being part of the Universe that is True. Inverting it... this post comes to be manifestations of the Being side of the Universe/ Information which is True, come to be the expression of Light, thanks to your energy, thanks to the energy you put into writing and publish the post.

So, summarising. STS is the generation of energy and utilization in the benefits of the STS. The STO is the generation of energy and energy is being liberated or expressed, imagine something like that, let the post of the forum be the lamp. Putting the fuel into the lamp is like generate/insert/put energy and turn light on of the lamp is like publish a post on the forum that represents truth and allows others to see this light see the information that is true.

And success in the more advanced work on the self is to reject all of the STS kind of the energy transformations and replace them by the STO kind, of course, it requires a lot attended observations of how energy is moving, huge assets of knowledge (to answer: what is true?), almost full self-control over themselves to maintaining the entire process. Well, it requires determination and strength in the conscious mind / system 2 (system 2: see the Fast and Slow Thinking book).

This is not one way of improving and working on the self. All the acts of politeness we do to another human being develop us spiritually and give hope to the world and humankind.

Instead of waiting with picking up the package from a parcel machine, just move ass and just do it, make a free place for other packages of other people that they make them happy with the new things they need.

When somebody will force priority on the road, do not be angry, just say to self that everyone makes mistakes and smile to the culprit.

Instead, be angry that somebody hasn't cleaned the crumbs from the table. Be patient and clean by yourself and be forgiving for others.

By the little steps, we can change the world. By the simple acts of kindness, controlling over negative emotions, making life easier to others, caring about the common good, truthfulness, etc...

For most people, this is the most optimal way to do things in order to develop spiritually. The most important thing we need lays in the real and authentic branch of Christianity / PaleoChristianity that the main principle is Love. Read other of my posts and posts of the other people for comparison and learning:

To my understanding. Authentic Christianity (PaleoChristianity), conveyed to us i.a. by Paul is a "story" about the three main "characters" play in the Universe: STO, STS, Free Will, and basic settings due to the Universe/Nature/Cosmic Mind works. In other words, this is the basic knowledge to understand until someone goes to the 4 Density.

I already write what I have on my mind. There is one very important factor in how the Universe works. Everything that we give comes back to us. This idea is related to karma too. Karma exists as something that can be "translated" to energy and information terms. This leads us to that that recognizes something as Karma requires from us some understanding of what karma is, and as a result, we have "karmic and simple understanding" - the notable fragment from C's sessions.

When we read that, you shouldn't steal. Oh yes, because stealing creates unbalance. When somebody gets something from another what comes to be his ownership (it also represents something at the energy and informational level) he became of the owner of something he does not create with his energy, so the universe will balance things and get what he posses because there is anything that can balance of that gained thing at the level of that specific individual.

The sentence: do not do to the other to what is unpleasant to you. Isn't it a suggestion that what bad you do to another can turn against you? So, this could be about balance and karma.

Be good to your neighborhood. Isn't it about keeping respect to these who live their way and could be different in some way, but still they deserve autonomy and if it is necessary to cooperate with them? If you respect the autonomy of another, your autonomy will be respected. If you are open to cooperating, you will find others who will be open to you. Opposite: if you do not respect, you won't be, etc.

Love your enemies. Have mercy. Why? Because if you are good to another who made you suffer, then good come back to you anyway. And this bad person who made you suffer to get what deserve anyway. Even further, if you help this person, who fault, what bad happens, even if he doesn't "deserve" for this help? Nothing, because if you help such a person, you can be helped generally and even in certain greater need, as he. If there is something of what he has to pay, then, do not worry, he will pay it anyway, there is no reason to be against such a person.

What if you are in a team that shears the wood. And you see that you do the most of the job and others do less than you. Then do not be disappointed about that. Some day you will come late to the job for about 1 hour. And you ask if you have to stay for 1 hour in the job, then you will be surprised that somebody says to you then you don't need it because circumstances have arisen that your comrade started earlier his job and sees that there will be no reason for you to stay longer.

Another example. Let say you have food because you make preparation before hard times. These hard times came and you see a hungry man. And you do not give him a portion of food because you say to yourself that this is his fault that he had not got the knowledge and not prepare himself. Okay, but at some point in "time", you can be in his situation. You were prepared, but someway you lose you canned food in the fire. You go on the street and ask for food, and then another man will find an excuse: "You should keep an eye on your stove."...

Have the spirit of Christ formed in self is to achieve the state when you do not see/feel/think any longer about need/reason/motive to any activity embodying of the idea of hurt, suppress, control, abuse another human being and possession of his thing, money, energy in the way of robbery, scam, cheat, manipulation, lie etc.

What is the practical meaning of these things? When we, for instance, from today, start to be Christians. That means to be ready for long hill climbing. We start to react to other people in our life who appear in various situations in the way of examination if our deeds: 1)"In this situation I am/I will break the free will of other?" ...If not, then this is the right direction... 2) "In this situation I give or I get something (energy, money, ...)?"

And step by step, I create my new reality. Create reality in a factual way, not in my mind (basing on wishful thinking), but in real life, by getting back what I gave to others. As my life goes and new events and situations with other people happens there, I find new opportunity to make a choice acting the way that reflects love, at the same time taking on self bad moments paying karmic debts.

With progression, the Universe goes back with events and people who mirror good deeds made by the individual. If the relationship between this certain individual and other person seeks clarification, the means finally make them free of karmic tie and every one of them achieved the level of being of self-discipline, self-control, and required crystallization has been achieved, then both of them are in the Christ.

From that point, other people can get into the circle. The next stage is to form bigger groups. Until the growing Spirit embraces the whole of humanity by pulling it out of 4D STS domination. It is so simple (in a sense), but see how humanity deviated. The simple ways of behavior would be able to slip out of Snake's rule, by no feed him by negative emotions energy and change the fate of humanity. This is maybe not all that allows for 4D graduate but surely keep humanity closer to it.

What is Sin? When the state of the Spirit of Christ is the state where souls are in balance, what means that these souls (the consciousness units) are not in relation where any conscious being of that group does not in process of any kind of abuse (in more spiritual meaning: get energy or something like that) from another conscious unit or be victimized by another. So, the Sin will be a primal break of that state of union between souls, start to be against themselves, the unbalance between them, where one gets energy from another and the further abuser is abused too, and so on, and so on. The 'little sins' coming from the bigger Sin, are all these wrongdoings.

If we interpret this Sin as something that was intended by certain higher force and experiencing the effect of that first main sin was also designed, then this is really the Necessary Sin. And stop to live in the Sin is really Liberation because in the current state humanity is convicted only to the closed circle of meaningless picking up of the energy instead focus these energies and to something magnificent in the spiritual world.

 

[WIN 52]

The way I see it is that every day there are choices to be made. What ever you choose to do will determine which path you are walking.

Let's say you choose to do something that doesn't feel right to you. So, you choose to never do that again in this lifetime. To me, this is how we learn. Even though our memories from past lives have been wiped at birth, there is still an imprint in our DNA. We do remember at a subconscious level.

The trick is to forgive yourself for the lesson learned.

 

[Chimpazilla]

I would like to ask a very simple but important question. It seems that the ALL includes ALL possibilities, including the "negative" path, and therefore all are valid paths back to the ALL. But most of us see the negative path as negative! But for the ALL to be in balance, there must be 50% negative, if I understand this correctly. Would there ever be a "time" when more of these STS negative entities turned to STO positive? Do they get infinite chances to do so, and if they do, isn't the ALL out of balance? Or will it always be true that half of the Creation chooses STS? I am really struggling to understand this!

 

[Alejo]

I would like to ask a very simple but important question. It seems that the ALL includes ALL possibilities, including the "negative" path, and therefore all are valid paths back to the ALL. But most of us see the negative path as negative! But for the ALL to be in balance, there must be 50% negative, if I understand this correctly. Would there ever be a "time" when more of these STS negative entities turned to STO positive? Do they get infinite chances to do so, and if they do, isn't the ALL out of balance? Or will it always be true that half of the Creation chooses STS? I am really struggling to understand this!

HI Chimpanzilla,

If I may, I think there's a semantics confusion here, so If I had to break down your question in several parts I would probably do it as such:

Yes, the All includes all possibilities, including the "negative path" and since they're already part of the All, then yes, they're all valid paths to the All.

The negative, when I think about it as objectively as I can, is really relative or subjective. For an antelope, for instance, the path of the lion is negative because it means loss of life, incomprehensible loss of life because an antelope could never understand a creature that craves meat instead of grass, if we can conceive of such an analogy. And I think it may be the same for us, the "negative path" might simply be another manner or way of existing with different goals and priorities.

At some point perhaps this choice is unconscious and driven by instinct, much like babies and animals, and at that level is always going to be self serving, STS, but I believe that as a soul evolves it is presented with a choice at the right time. And I think at that point, being in this universe, some may choose the path of STO and some may choose the path of STS and this is ok. As part of that choice, the universe or the All continues to experience itself subjectively through the consciousness of those who make these choices.

And so, while it may seem to us here on 3D STS earth as if the universe is out of balance, I actually think it may not be so much that it requires a constant state of static balance, I conceive of it more of a flowing and moving and constant changing environment. Think of it like if a YingYang was constantly rotating.

Last thing I would like to add is that I think some of your doubts come from conceiving them in a linear frame, and that's perhaps why it feels like if balance is a need, then everyone having infinite choices risks this principle, because everyone could eventually choose one side or the other and do away with balance. But if you think of it more as a cycle, where time isn't linear and has an end, but it's a circle, then the idea of balance fits much more nicely with the idea of progress and choices that every soul eventually possess the ability to make freely, this keeps balance in my humble opinion.

I hope the above makes sense, I realize it's a difficult topic to articulate.

Just my two cents.

 

[Anabell]

As C's said many time all there is a lesson. It's hard to accept this in current times when seekers can learn truth and see all bad that is going in our lives. One asks themselves how is possible that so much corruption and wrongdoing is being accepted, especially with current technology that makes easier to search and recognize sings of bad people and lairs around us, but , when we think about all this, we tend to think from our own prospective and our own understanding, which is not close to majority of the others thinking. Even when you talk to friends and relatives they may understand you and agree with you, but don't think that anything can be changed. Fear is powerful, as we all can see, since fear is ruling world we live in. Through decades we are being brainwashed through our upbringings and it's hard to brake out of it and open our eyes and truly see. While we trying to find groups, like this one, to freely express ourselves and hope that doing right things will bring us to higher understandings and better future place, it's hard to even contemplate that not all will finish where we want them to be, especially if you think about people around you that you genuinely like, but they don't "get it" they way we think we understand. But seeing that masses are waking up, at list I would like to think they are, makes one hopeful.