Islamicizing Europe?

[casper]

I ask for your opinion, this is what I got today on my FB
video:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

 

[Carl]

The 'Islamification' meme has been around for a while and is generally propagated by right wing racists. However it is quite a nuanced situation, because there is a huge influx of Islamic people into European countries, no prizes for guessing the reason why. A lot of these people naturally dislike the West because of what it has done to them, so there is that.

However it seems that the most recent "migration crisis" has been stage managed by western intelligence, who WANT the Islamification of Europe. On the one hand, the official politicians preach tolerance. On the other hand, the shadow government supports the most deranged and violent "Muslims", and also most likely engages in false flag attacks, in order to create more terror and hatred towards Muslims.

The result? A population that is angry at their government for the wrong reasons. They say that the government is weak, the Islamic hordes are coming to take over and we need to get tough on them. The people on the left stand up for the immigrants, but the people on the right are given more evidence to point to to support their cause every time there is a false flag attack.

Nobody sees the man behind the curtain, which is the shadow government manipulating this whole situation. Divide and Conquer 101.

 

[Oxajil]

Yep, Divide and Conquer 101!

Note how they focus on refugees being the core problem in the article you posted casper. They do not mention what for example Mayor Galinos of the Greek island of Lesbos said:

“This is a ticking time bomb that will go off soon,” he said. “We have managed to avert some catastrophes, but we need help, more ferries. This island is so small, we can’t solve a worldwide humanitarian crisis by ourselves. The European Union needs to act.”

Not to mention that serious help is lacking from the U.S. All these refugees could be helped, if more support from outside would be given. But it's not, leading to clashes and stressful situations like on the island Lesbos.

Breitbart London has reported at length on the rising tide of anti-Semitism in Europe which has arrived with mass migration. From Jews being specifically targeted for degrading house-invasion rape-thefts to Jews being excluded from Holocaust commemorations because of Muslim attendees hijacking events, migrant-Europe is now hostile towards Jews at a level not seen in decades.

Just because a handful of migrants have acted against Jews (which I condemn of course), it doesn't necessarily translate to hostility towards Jews being "at a level not seen in decades". But I'll have to check the statistics on that. From what I know, I would rather say that hostility towards Muslims is at a pretty high level, especially in the UK:

Hate crimes against Muslims in London have risen by 70% in the past year, according to Met Police statistics.
Figures for the 12 months up to July showed 816 Islamophobic crimes, compared with 478 for the previous 12-month period.

But to answer your question casper, I don't think that Europe will be Islamized, if anybody would say such a thing I think it is merely fear-mongering propaganda.

 

[Buddy]

I ask for your opinion, this is what I got today on my FB
video:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

What do you think of it casper? When I watched it, most of my thought related to how dehumanizing it must be to be herded like cattle, while knowing you have no home and don't know where your next meal will come from. And then to be herded down streets where local people throw stuff at you and call you names...well, that would just add to the humiliation.

Then I read the article the video is embedded in. "Islamicizing Europe" doesn't seem to be the exclusive focus of the video as the expressed concerns on that topic are supposedly decades away.

Also, there is a supposed summary of the video's purpose:

Although the main thrust of the film is to goad native Europeans against mass migration and the negative effects of multiculturalism, the film also paradoxically takes a swipe at one European minority group who stand to lose almost the most from mass Muslim immigration. It also includes a short clip of discredited, anti-Semitic politician Nick Griffin, former Member of the European Parliament and leader of the British National Party.

And there's..."Breitbart London has reported at length on the rising tide of anti-Semitism in Europe," and "migrant-Europe is now hostile towards Jews at a level not seen in decades."

Also I noticed that, left out of this picture is any statement of others regarding militant Islam being only a small minority among the otherwise peaceful Muslims and any acknowledgment that Islam seems to have co-existed in peace with other religious faiths for many years.

All in all, the main thing I take from the video is how stupid it seems to use a video of people being driven down to the low end of Maslow's hierachy, yet ignoring that, along with its consequences, and using it instead to talk about "negative effects of multiculturalism." Seems to be elitist propaganda overall.

 

[casper]

The people on the left stand up for the immigrants, but the people on the right are given more evidence to point to to support their cause every time there is a false flag attack.

Every time ?Can we be sure of this statement, I do not think we can.

What do you think of it casper? When I watched it, most of my thought related to how dehumanizing it must be to be herded like cattle, while knowing you have no home and don't know where your next meal will come from. And then to be herded down streets where local people throw stuff at you and call you names...well, that would just add to the humiliation.

15 days ago, I was visiting my family who lives near the border crossing where refugees crossing from Serbia to Croatia. Three members of my family are working as members of special forces (police officers-specialists) on the border. Their encounters with male refugees are quite dramatic, when they search, almost every man had a knife, and in one group they found the guns. Most of the refugees did not have the documents, but they had glued bags containing the small amount of money in the chest.

The food they were given (honey, jams), deliberately smearing on bus seats and the rear seats -used to toilet.

Do not generalize all refugees, but ...
I was a witness when the buses were clean, the horror !!!
Of the 100 refugees, 80 of them are men between the ages of 20-50 years. (https://youtu.be/_sZvmkgJWnw )

Nobody sees the man behind the curtain, which is the shadow government manipulating this whole situation.

camera is turned on and off when someone gives a sign,, whether you are familiar with the information that children deliberately (some caring parents) , to cry, so they want to speed up the process of registration?

 

[luc]

Every time ?Can we be sure of this statement, I do not think we can.

What do you think of it casper? When I watched it, most of my thought related to how dehumanizing it must be to be herded like cattle, while knowing you have no home and don't know where your next meal will come from. And then to be herded down streets where local people throw stuff at you and call you names...well, that would just add to the humiliation.

15 days ago, I was visiting my family who lives near the border crossing where refugees crossing from Serbia to Croatia. Three members of my family are working as members of special forces (police officers-specialists) on the border. Their encounters with male refugees are quite dramatic, when they search, almost every man had a knife, and in one group they found the guns. Most of the refugees did not have the documents, but they had glued bags containing the small amount of money in the chest.

The food they were given (honey, jams), deliberately smearing on bus seats and the rear seats -used to toilet.

Do not generalize all refugees, but ...
I was a witness when the buses were clean, the horror !!!
Of the 100 refugees, 80 of them are men between the ages of 20-50 years. (https://youtu.be/_sZvmkgJWnw )

Nobody sees the man behind the curtain, which is the shadow government manipulating this whole situation.

camera is turned on and off when someone gives a sign,, whether you are familiar with the information that children deliberately (some caring parents) , to cry, so they want to speed up the process of registration?

Hi casper, I don't deny that the cases your relatives describe are real, however, I would also take a lot of "bad tales" about refugees with a grain of salt - here in Germany, there are many rumors and horror stories about refugees that you can hear, some may be true, but a lot also turned out to be hoaxes. Plus, if you are "primed" with the mindset that those refugees are "playing dirty", you will see it everywhere (confirmation bias), so for example, instead of just seeing a traumatized crying baby, you could see an evil mother trying to speed up the registration process... As others have said, this is divide and conquer, fueled by a disgraceful media campaign (both mainstream and "alternative") that makes people hate each other.

I'm not afraid at all of"Islamization". I'm afraid of rampant hatred, racism stupidity and the violence that may break out...

 

[Joe]

I ask for your opinion, this is what I got today on my FB
video:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/11/watch-anti-migrant-video-going-viral-across-europe/

That's such a cherry-picked hysterical video that it's not worth much in terms of objective information on the situation, other than to show that certain anti-Islam groups in Europe are pushing an agenda that seems to dovetail with the agenda of the 'deep government'.

 

[Windmill knight]

I can't watch the video now due to my internet connection, but I read the article and it strikes me as hysterical and xenophobic. Things such as:

“At current immigration levels and disappearing birth rates native Europeans are destined to become a minority in their own countries within decades. This is already the case for many of Europe’s largest cities.”

Hmm, not really. If by that they mean that European cities have more 'brown coloured' people on the streets, so what? I've met many young people who come from Asian or Middle Eastern families, but who were born in Europe, and apart from the colour of their skin they talk and behave exactly like the local kids. And even if their parents retain some of their culture, religion and customs, again I don't see what the big deal is. In fact, I rather like cities in which you get a sense of multiculturalism on the streets, with people of all types speaking all languages. Like London.

Breitbart London has reported at length on the rising tide of anti-Semitism in Europe which has arrived with mass migration. From Jews being specifically targeted for degrading house-invasion rape-thefts to Jews being excluded from Holocaust commemorations because of Muslim attendees hijacking events, migrant-Europe is now hostile towards Jews at a level not seen in decades.

Jewish people are portrayed as victims. But what about Muslims? They are much more targeted by propaganda and hate crime in Europe than Jews.

The article also misses the point completely about why there are refugees coming into Europe in the first place. Sure, more people in the same piece of land will create problems that need to be solved, but where is the empathy for those people?

15 days ago, I was visiting my family who lives near the border crossing where refugees crossing from Serbia to Croatia. Three members of my family are working as members of special forces (police officers-specialists) on the border. Their encounters with male refugees are quite dramatic, when they search, almost every man had a knife, and in one group they found the guns. Most of the refugees did not have the documents, but they had glued bags containing the small amount of money in the chest.

If you had to cross a number of borders in very difficult conditions, wouldn't you want to carry at least a knife? Ok, so others bring guns, but that doesn't automatically make them gangsters or terrorists.

The food they were given (honey, jams), deliberately smearing on bus seats and the rear seats -used to toilet.

Do not generalize all refugees, but ...
I was a witness when the buses were clean, the horror !!!
Of the 100 refugees, 80 of them are men between the ages of 20-50 years. (https://youtu.be/_sZvmkgJWnw )

We don't know what sort of experiences they had to go through or how clean they are, but I doubt they were just making a mess on the seats they were using for the sake of it.

Also, don't know about the gender ratios, but making a comparison with illegal immigrants from Mexico to the US, many of them are men because their families are left back home, in the hope that the men will make the dangerous journey, get jobs and send money back home. And if possible, get their family over in the future, once they are better established legally or materially. Something similar may be happening in Europe.

camera is turned on and off when someone gives a sign, whether you are familiar with the information that children deliberately (some caring parents) , to cry, so they want to speed up the process of registration?

Sounds like the sort of generalization people say when they dislike others. We don't want them because they are dirty and deceitful!, etc. I'm sure some of the refugees are not nice, like in any group of people, but that doesn't mean that as a whole they are a threat to Europe as the article seems to suggest.

 

[Yupo]

I count myself as Muslim, albeit not a particularly religious one. The immigrants I know like living in the west, mostly. They don't think much of the 'whoring around' lifestyle as promoted by media, is all. I don't know anyone that wants to go back, except for family duties. I don't know anyone that wants to take over the way of government or politics here. People want to be left alone. They want to mind their own business, raise their families in peace, just like anyone else. There are a few hard-headed know-alls, but this is true for all faiths, all cultures.

 

[Yupo]

The people in the film can be thought of as a hungry horde of locusts. Of course they are coming in to take things. Has nothing to do with them being Muslim. Has everything to do with displacement and survival. It is better to be well clear of their path since governments can't be counted on to control the mess.

 

[casper]

Hi casper, I don't deny that the cases your relatives describe are real, however, I would also take a lot of "bad tales" about refugees with a grain of salt - here in Germany, there are many rumors and horror stories about refugees that you can hear, some may be true, but a lot also turned out to be hoaxes. Plus, if you are "primed" with the mindset that those refugees are "playing dirty", you will see it everywhere (confirmation bias), so for example, instead of just seeing a traumatized crying baby, you could see an evil mother trying to speed up the registration process... As others have said, this is divide and conquer, fueled by a disgraceful media campaign (both mainstream and "alternative") that makes people hate each other.

I'm not afraid at all of"Islamization". I'm afraid of rampant hatred, racism stupidity and the violence that may break out...

I agree completely with you, but the whole situation is very alarming.
People are lumped into enclosed shelters like animals, do not offer them any vision for the future, are rare individuals who have found a job, ...
I do not think it would go to good :(

That's such a cherry-picked hysterical video that it's not worth much in terms of objective information on the situation, other than to show that certain anti-Islam groups in Europe are pushing an agenda that seems to dovetail with the agenda of the 'deep government'.

The story always has two faces.

If you had to cross a number of borders in very difficult conditions, wouldn't you want to carry at least a knife? Ok, so others bring guns, but that doesn't automatically make them gangsters or terrorists.

Each adult is very well aware that crossing the border and entering in another country can not have a weapon, try to imagine that you live in the vicinity of the green borders, would you feel safe if you knew that near you pass thousands of refugees, some of which carry knives and guns?

The food they were given (honey, jams), deliberately smearing on bus seats and the rear seats -used to toilet.

Do not generalize all refugees, but ...
I was a witness when the buses were clean, the horror !!!
Of the 100 refugees, 80 of them are men between the ages of 20-50 years. (https://youtu.be/_sZvmkgJWnw )

We don't know what sort of experiences they had to go through or how clean they are, but I doubt they were just making a mess on the seats they were using for the sake of it.

Terms of their trip were horrible, but the behavior of individuals are also

camera is turned on and off when someone gives a sign, whether you are familiar with the information that children deliberately (some caring parents) , to cry, so they want to speed up the process of registration?

Sounds like the sort of generalization people say when they dislike others. We don't want them because they are dirty and deceitful!, etc. I'm sure some of the refugees are not nice, like in any group of people, but that doesn't mean that as a whole they are a threat to Europe as the article seems to suggest.

As I already said, I do not generalize, but we should know that there is another side of the story

There are a few hard-headed know-alls, but this is true for all faiths, all cultures.

I agree :)

 

[casper]

If you had to cross a number of borders in very difficult conditions, wouldn't you want to carry at least a knife? Ok, so others bring guns, but that doesn't automatically make them gangsters or terrorists.

Sweden:

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Why the refugees needed a weapon and against whom they will fight if they ran away from the war, not wanting to take part in the conflict on either of the warring parties ?!

 

[Buddy]

casper, people are all different and no two people are exactly alike. It is only rational to assume that within the refugee group of people, someone is going to have a weapon of some sort...probably just to protect their life and meager possessions from a predator or mugger if for no other reason.

 

[casper]

casper, people are all different and no two people are exactly alike. It is only rational to assume that within the refugee group of people, someone is going to have a weapon of some sort...probably just to protect their life and meager possessions from a predator or mugger if for no other reason.

Why have not surrendered their weapons as they entered the other's territory, in Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary .....
It's pretty far-fetched, do not you think?
In which country will feel safe enough to hand over their weapons?
Will it ever deliver,the vast majority in the beginning was not examined thoroughly, is not that a little worrying?

 

[Buddy]

I don't have all the answers. I'm sorry. But I would simply place a little bit of faith in common human values. I don't think it's in ordinary people to simply pull a knife or gun and hurt someone for no reason, otherwise they'd be very few adults and old people in the world. I would try to protect myself, and anyone else I could, from random acts of mindless violence, but I would behave with common courtesy and respect to all the refugees as I would anyone else. Don't give in to fear or anger...try to channel it for the good somehow.