It Always Happens Somewhere Else

Yes Anart, I'm aware that seems to be the purpose and the aim of it.

However, to my mind the items displayed there often don't resonate as such. I experience it more as a trivia section on a 'funny' (and often not so funny) sidenote, in actual practice. But maybe that's just me...
 
Al Today said:
I wonder if a "GOOD" "HAPPY" news web site is viable business?
Some people think so:
CBC News story: 'Good news' newspaper launches in Moncton (_http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2010/07/05/nb-moncton-new-newspaper-534.html)

Also, just noticed:
Happy Times Newspaper (_http://www.thehappytimes.com)

In journalism school I remember hearing about a newspaper somewhere in California called The Good News, but I seem to recall after the lovefest of the 60s, it wasn't sustainable and folded.

Today's online business model might support such an enterprise, but I think the masses have been conditioned to want titillation and horror as their daily bread.

After working on a small town weekly newspaper trying to cover hard news stories only to have the editor kill the story because it might embarass someone and affect perceptions of the great historic town, I think a small town weekly newspaper is what you are looking for. You won't find anything there that depresses, concerns or even renders one uncomfortable. :)

Gonzo
 
Palinurus said:
Al Today said:
I wonder if a "GOOD" "HAPPY" news web site is viable business?
Mr. Anderson said:
I sure like reading about goats leading a blind horse to food and water.
Al Today said:
Mr Anderson, I don't understand your comment. Could you please explain?

Please see: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229012-US-5-goats-5-sheep-guide-blind-horse-in-Montana

In this context, maybe it would be a good idea for SotT to start a new heading with regular positive news from all around the world.

Why is it for someone else to do the work involved in carrying out someone else's idea? ;)

Besides, maybe we tend to forget there's an esoteric component to the SoTT news site. Without friction, how will we grow? :)

Palinurus said:
Tiny little things that show some light moving along the darkness, initiatives that would help give some perspective of soundness (mind, body and soul) in an insane world. Could be something to look out for and signal in by all forum members locally, grassroot stuff nobody else knows about. Just a thought...

That's something We can do if you really think it's worth doing. You could start a blog. Along with yourself, you could give me or someone else permission to post as well, and we could start with all the People Power articles already available.

Something to think about I'm supposing. :)
 
I went through an absolutely horrendous divorce in my early 20's. When the dust finally settled, my brother remarked that the biggest change he noticed in me was that I had lost my sense of humor. So I worked hard to redevelop it, since I think a sense of humor is one of mankind's greatest gifts. Sometimes you can get so "blah" looking at everything objectively. My brother was murdered later that year. I miss our talks and his take on life. I guess I'm thinking about him because today would have been his 55th birthday. Anyway, there's a lot of good around--go interact with it and just be silly! :P
 
Gonzo said:
I think a small town weekly newspaper is what you are looking for. You won't find anything there that depresses, concerns or even renders one uncomfortable.
Bud said:
maybe we tend to forget there's an esoteric component to the SoTT news site. Without friction, how will we grow?
Bud said:
we could start with all the People Power articles already available.

It's beyond my comprehension why positive news wouldn't cause friction in a readership that is conditioned the way they (and we too from what I got in the above) already are. Every tiny bit of info contrary to the usual doom and gloom which has some strategic relevance to the aims of our group will be a nuisance to TPTB - or so I think. It also will be like a glimmer of hope to all who yearn for something else, for real solutions to real problems - however small they might seem or how insignificant they might be at first glance.

A lot of what concerns us at the forum doesn't bleed through to SotT, in my opinion. There seems to be no straight foreward feedbackloop from the forum to SotT on many occasions. It's more of a one way street the other way around in my eyes. For instance, the reports about EE conferences or some of the cooking sessions would be great stuff to report on SotT. The establishing of local branches of the Fellowship idem ditto. Some of the discussions on psychological issues could be summarized anonymously for better personal recognition by people with similar problems. The current discussion about the cyberpath phenomenon would be another example of info that can be published in a summarized format to a wider audience with comparable experiences or problems. Etcetera. No doubt others will be able to chime in with similar ideas or other proposals...

Bud said:
Why is it for someone else to do the work involved in carrying out someone else's idea?

I cannot fathom how you came to this remark. Who is to say beforehand that I wouldn't be willing to participate in an endeavour along these lines? Apart from the necessary expertise in journalistic writing abilities (which I don't have currently) there is nothing per se that would be a hindrance in that regard as far as I'm concerned. But for the moment, it's not even an accepted train of thought that this would be worthwile to have a go at... So first things first, I would say.
 
Al Today said:
Mr.Anderson said:
I sure like reading about goats leading a blind horse to food and water.

Mr Anderson, I don't understand your comment. Could you please explain?

Al, I think Mr.A is referring to this link on SOTT.net in reference to reading about good news vs bad news!
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/229012-US-5-goats-5-sheep-guide-blind-horse-in-Montana


I just spotted Palinurus' post, so sorry for repeating the link.
 
Palinurus said:
Bud said:
Why is it for someone else to do the work involved in carrying out someone else's idea?

I cannot fathom how you came to this remark.

The relationship between the idea of "somebody-else-somewhere-else" (SoTT) and the "Somewhere Else" in the thread title.

More importantly, from my perspective, your post seems to assume and describe a problem which exists and that could be solved pretty easily, but it seems you have yet to provide any evidence that anyone is being disadvantaged, left out or harmed in any way by the way things are currently set up, so I was very curious about your reasoning.

How do you know that the "wider audience" of SoTT readers, who may be interested in the mentioned subjects, do not read them on the forum?

That's all I was about. Not that I couldn't be way off base somewhere. :)
 
Hi Al,
Just know that there is "someone" there doing the work in helping others in turmoil on the other side of the globe from you. It may not be you as you wish, but just know people really do help each other all the time.

I'm sure if you give it a little thought, you have helped others in great time of need, even if it was just to offer a hand, or a smile.
 
I don't know if this is a FACT, but IMHO as each individual wakes up his vibratory level is raised, and as more and more wake up and work on themselves then it must in some way affect the vibratory level of others, right? And we are all part of this earth and this density, so nothing you do goes without influencing each and every particle in existence. That's my hope, at least.
 
abeofarrell said:
I don't know if this is a FACT, but IMHO as each individual wakes up his vibratory level is raised, and as more and more wake up and work on themselves then it must in some way affect the vibratory level of others, right? And we are all part of this earth and this density, so nothing you do goes without influencing each and every particle in existence. That's my hope, at least.

Yes something like that I think. As Percival wrote, its not where we are but 'who we are, and what we see' that counts.

One of the aspects of the mainstream's constant morbid fascination with bad news, is that for the control system it is very beneficial. It serves to keep a man's mind fixed firmly on everything else other than what matters or might help him. He does not look at himself, his life, how he acts, the reality of his own situation. Always, he can become absorbed by the lives and misfortunes of others. By the strange, the unjust, the perverse or whatever it is.

We slow down for a car crash or other accident, but fail to see the car crash that is right before our eyes everyday - our own machines. People usually think that accidents happen only very rarely, whereas in reality almost everything is accidental. Now if we can take that perspective and hold it as we view the world, then perhaps that serves a valuable function in terms of anchoring the STO frequency - seeing reality as it is? Objective observers that on some level have an effect or alter the balance of things, though how it might work I don't know.

One function of SOTT is to also serve as a balancing force for the lies and distortions served up by the mainstream. It can be painful to constantly force oneself to keep looking at the truth, but this does provide uncomfortable shocks needed to keep us awake and aware to the 'terror of the situation'. Also helps us to not get swept along with the crowd as they are herded together by the control system.

So this looking and seeing reality as it is, is in fact something we can do, is not a helpless act. Supporting others and networking, sharing impressions, lightens the load and keeps us on track. When it is too much, we feel the emotion and realise as Al said, that it will pass. I felt myself the last few days a little out of sorts, emotional, and for no real obvious reason. Today it seems to have lifted though, hope the clouds are parting with you too Al.

One other function of seeing reality as it is, should be to wake a person up to the urgency of working on oneself, the wish not to die in bondage. Most people go through life without any thought to this, until finally death serves the function as a final 'shock', forcing a man to reevaluate the reality of his life from the brink of death and so lessons can be learned.

If we are to wake up, then we need to find the equivalent of such a 'final shock', perhaps the culmination of many small shocks? Seeing the situation as it is, forcing ourselves to keep looking and receive the shocks is part of working on oneself to this end. We learn to see the terror of the external world as it is and of our inner world as it is. Too much 'good news' just ain't gonna cut it, will not produce the emotional shocks required, and there is work to do.

As Laura used to have in her signature: "When a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully." - Samuel Johnson.
 
Bud said:
The relationship between the idea of "somebody-else-somewhere-else" (SoTT) and the "Somewhere Else" in the thread title.
Sorry Bud, that connection went right over my head. May be a language problem...

Bud said:
How do you know that the "wider audience" of SoTT readers, who may be interested in the mentioned subjects, do not read them on the forum?
I don't. I'm just assuming that a large surplus of readers never visits the forum but I don't have actual attendance figures to show any discrepancy between them. I'm only going from what I myself did, i.e. I read SotT much earlier and for quite some time before I ever delved into forumthreads. Can't remember what brought me over neither.

Alada said:
We learn to see the terror of the external world as it is and of our inner world as it is. Too much 'good news' just ain't gonna cut it, will not produce the emotional shocks required, and there is work to do.
Well, I'm not qualified to state categorically whether or not emotional shocks are all that's needed to wake people up - I have serious doubts in that respect. I think it all boils down to what incentives people need to start moving and shaking so to speak. If doom and gloom were enough to wake people up, everybody already would be aware of the terror of the situation I would venture - but they aren't. So offering some perspective of real change, although minute, would be a much needed extra push to get some people in the right mood to get moving, in my view. Remember Obama's "Change you can believe in"? A slogan appealing enough to get elected - which proves my point at least somewhat I think. Disappointingly, none of those voters seem to suffer any cognitive dissonance with the current results delivered nor do they wake up from that experience as far as I can see. The "urgency of working on oneself" doesn't result automatically from all this - at least that seems clear enough. I'm not criticizing the current approach for one bit - I just thought it's incomplete. And I could be completely off the rails with that assumption, I'm aware of that.
 
Palinurus said:
Alada said:
We learn to see the terror of the external world as it is and of our inner world as it is. Too much 'good news' just ain't gonna cut it, will not produce the emotional shocks required, and there is work to do.
Well, I'm not qualified to state categorically whether or not emotional shocks are all that's needed to wake people up - I have serious doubts in that respect. I think it all boils down to what incentives people need to start moving and shaking so to speak. If doom and gloom were enough to wake people up, everybody already would be aware of the terror of the situation I would venture - but they aren't. So offering some perspective of real change, although minute, would be a much needed extra push to get some people in the right mood to get moving, in my view. Remember Obama's "Change you can believe in"? A slogan appealing enough to get elected - which proves my point at least somewhat I think. Disappointingly, none of those voters seem to suffer any cognitive dissonance with the current results delivered nor do they wake up from that experience as far as I can see. The "urgency of working on oneself" doesn't result automatically from all this - at least that seems clear enough. I'm not criticizing the current approach for one bit - I just thought it's incomplete. And I could be completely off the rails with that assumption, I'm aware of that.

Maybe it depends what it is in us to do. Yes for some folk reading SOTT will make little or no difference, just another 'alternative' website, nothing will penetrate too deeply. I wasn't thinking about that aspect earlier, more in the context of those who are already looking for something or realise that all is not quite what it seems here on the BBM. They keep looking and reading because they want to know!

I don't think its a bad idea to include the more uplifting and inspirational items on SOTT, we all sure need a little relief sometimes, just that there is a whole lot of lies, cover ups and distortions out there to try and balance out too by shining the light of truth on them.
 
Palinurus said:
Alada said:
We learn to see the terror of the external world as it is and of our inner world as it is. Too much 'good news' just ain't gonna cut it, will not produce the emotional shocks required, and there is work to do.

Well, I'm not qualified to state categorically whether or not emotional shocks are all that's needed to wake people up - I have serious doubts in that respect. I think it all boils down to what incentives people need to start moving and shaking so to speak. If doom and gloom were enough to wake people up, everybody already would be aware of the terror of the situation I would venture - but they aren't. So offering some perspective of real change, although minute, would be a much needed extra push to get some people in the right mood to get moving, in my view. Remember Obama's "Change you can believe in"? A slogan appealing enough to get elected - which proves my point at least somewhat I think. Disappointingly, none of those voters seem to suffer any cognitive dissonance with the current results delivered nor do they wake up from that experience as far as I can see. The "urgency of working on oneself" doesn't result automatically from all this - at least that seems clear enough. I'm not criticizing the current approach for one bit - I just thought it's incomplete. And I could be completely off the rails with that assumption, I'm aware of that.

Emotional shocks occur when I see my inner world is a reflection of the outer world. It requires the necessity of complete bankruptcy and despair for a man or women to turn the gaze within. A man will stare at gloom and doom or he will stare at “Change you can believe in”, but he will prefer lies or half truths to remain undisturbed in his sleep. So, the lies of world are confronted by a beacon of truth on SOTT, and for those few desperate men and women willing to awaken from their comfortable dreams, a mirror and effort is on offer.

A moment of hope and rest from the storm is a good idea, but do not think this will lead to Work on the inner man. It is men and women who have and are working on the inner man, who can see and speak the truth of the world as it is. I think SOTT often reflects the Work on the forum. Those readers who taste this search for truth, no matter what sacred cows are gored, will wonder at the source of the effort and perhaps pay the price of Work. It is not for many, but world needs those who got their intelligence and courage the hard way.
 
Palinurus said:
Well, I'm not qualified to state categorically whether or not emotional shocks are all that's needed to wake people up - I have serious doubts in that respect. I think it all boils down to what incentives people need to start moving and shaking so to speak. If doom and gloom were enough to wake people up, everybody already would be aware of the terror of the situation I would venture - but they aren't.
Is it possible that you are getting trapped in black and white thinking here?, as I understand it "Signs of The Times" is not about pessimism nor positivism, it's about facts, about collecting and presenting them, what is happening here and now as it is.


Palinurus said:
So offering some perspective of real change, although minute, would be a much needed extra push to get some people in the right mood to get moving, in my view. Remember Obama's "Change you can believe in"? A slogan appealing enough to get elected - which proves my point at least somewhat I think. Disappointingly, none of those voters seem to suffer any cognitive dissonance with the current results delivered nor do they wake up from that experience as far as I can see. The "urgency of working on oneself" doesn't result automatically from all this - at least that seems clear enough. I'm not criticizing the current approach for one bit - I just thought it's incomplete. And I could be completely off the rails with that assumption, I'm aware of that.

As you say politicians want to be elected and for that techniques of manipulacion with positive slogans are necessary but you said it, in this state people is not able to really think for themselves and make the facts stand. So what's the deal in trying to "put people in the right mood"?

The perspective of real change comes from truth and those who are only able "to get moving" trough simple slogans or positive motivational campaings wich increases their hope but not their discernment are simply not ready, why bothering about it?

Everyone will do what is in them to do and if someone is sincerely and thoroughly searching will find as many have done, at least that's my take on it. Not in vain SOTT has 5 million readers a day and the forum keeps growing!

Now, if you think there are "Signs" that have gone unnoticed you can recommend its publication in the appropiate forum section :)
 

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