Jeffrey Epstein arrested: Israeli-American pedo ring to be exposed?

[Ben]

It's engaging in no small part because Saagar Enjeti presents as very smart and knowledgeable (though he, like nearly all, still rely on things like gov't statistics and voting) and claims total independence from the money that pulls the strings of the MSM. Both he and Tucker believe this decision to bury Epstein could destroy the MAGA movement. It reminded me that there are no saviors, that it's wise not to rely on government, and also that this may be another huge wake-up moment for many.

Yes, it was worth watching because he is a knowledgeable guy with interesting experiences and he articulated his ideas flawlessly. Sharing his experiences of working as a White House correspondent with Tucker, it really paints a sordid and pathetic picture of the reality of being a shill for the MSM.

There isn't much to be learned here about the Epstein case as such, it's more about the implications this obvious cover-up has for the future of MAGA or any America first movements. Like the ptb are playing with fire - possibly even revolutionary, radicalising type of fire. I think he put it well when he described the recent announcement about Epstein as a message not to the voters but to the political class who are implicated in the case. It shows that the institutions will still protect them and therefore the Deep State is still firmly in control.

 

[Ricardo]

Unlike in past decades, until the early the 90's , when centralized media , tv , radio and printed , were far more able to spew a mostly uniform and curated narrative, this is not so much the case anymore , regardless, events like 911 were still mostly kept from any public accountability and arguably still are, for quite a few years. But this seems so blatantly " we were always at war with east asia , we were never at war with east asia " type speech that it might just not work out as they plan. ( least one can hope so )

 

[msasa79]

Unlike in past decades, until the early the 90's , when centralized media , tv , radio and printed , were far more able to spew a mostly uniform and curated narrative, this is not so much the case anymore , regardless, events like 911 were still mostly kept from any public accountability and arguably still are, for quite a few years. But this seems so blatantly " we were always at war with east asia , we were never at war with east asia " type speech that it might just not work out as they plan. ( least one can hope so )

The great majority of people, at least in this part of Europe, still get their news and information about wordly affairs from the MSM, in one way or another.

And apart from sowing divisions, the MSM still sing the same song and recite the same story when it comes to matters that matter, just like most public figures and basically all politicians that can be seen and heard on the MSM, at least in Western sphere of influence.

Sadly, but basically it comes down to what the C's have noted some time ago, that more suffering is (still) needed, and as Joe remarked, if remember correctly, if not apologies for misattributing the remark, at the end the suffering "works" only when it touches people personaly, when it messes with their personal lives directly.

FWIW.

 

[axj]

I think he put it well when he described the recent announcement about Epstein as a message not to the voters but to the political class who are implicated in the case. It shows that the institutions will still protect them and therefore the Deep State is still firmly in control.

The only potentially positive spin I can see in this is that Trump wants to use this blackmail (maybe indirectly through his "deal" with the Mossad/Zionists) to achieve some other goals. The C's said that he has been doing something like that to an extent.

Some people have been speculating that he wants to give Israel the "rope to hang itself" in one way or another and maybe turn on them then when the time is right.

Still, even if that is his plan, the public handling of the Epstein case has been disastrous and plain stupid.

 

[The Mechanic]

I agree the MSM still define what's the truth for many, but at the same time the whole internet seems to be noticing the lies, because by now everybody knows the Epstein meme and everybody believes it. Though "Epstein didn't kill himself" is probably true in a different way than most people think.

Just one example of many of this popular youtuber's videos about the subject, it's a ten minute montage of all the people involved talking about Epstein, before and after getting into office.

 

[The Mechanic]

I just thought that with all the denying about Epstein, Virginia Guiffre died only a couple of months back, so conveniently for them she's not around anymore to tell everybody otherwise. Very suspicious about her death.

 

[axj]

George Galloway and Judge Napolitano both agree that this is the lowest point of Trump's two presidencies. Napolitano thinks that Pam Bondi will ultimately take the fall for it. He also names Mossad as Epstein's employer and points out that it is not a coincidence that Netanyahu visited Trump right during this whole "no Epstein client list exists" fiasco.

Some of his other statements seem more questionable, eg. that a Brooklyn federal judge ordered the release of the Epstein files and can still insist on that. He seems to refer to a 2023 court order to release 150 names from the Epstein trial, which do not include his client list.

 

[PopHistorian]

George Galloway and Judge Napolitano both agree that this is the lowest point of Trump's two presidencies.

Lots of people openly commenting on Trump's strange transformation and see him progressing away from what he was. Example:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1943116485951475872

 

[Laura]

Lots of people openly commenting on Trump's strange transformation and see him progressing away from what he was. Example:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1943116485951475872

Well, we DID take Trump off our prayers of protection list after he bombed Iran.

 

[Nienna]

in the following article, Bill O'Reilly said he knows why Trump doesn't want to release the Epstein list.

Bill O’Reilly: Trump Told Me Why the Epstein Files Won’t Be Released​

In a recent interview with Chris Cuomo on NewsNation, former Fox News star Bill O’Reilly revealed details of a private conversation he had with President Trump back in March.

O’Reilly says the two spoke “man-to-man, eye-to-eye” on St. Patrick’s Day, and Trump made it clear: some names linked to Epstein had nothing to do with Epstein’s crimes.

“They maybe had lunch with him or exchanged a message,” O’Reilly said.
“If those names come out without context, the media will destroy people — and they won’t care if they’re innocent.”

O’Reilly said Trump emphasized that releasing the files would hand the media a weapon to smear people unfairly.

‘No Context, No Justice’​

O’Reilly backed Trump’s decision not to dump the Epstein documents, saying the press can’t be trusted to provide context.

“You can’t destroy a human being by putting out the files, whatever they may be,” he said.
“The media doesn’t care about the truth. They care about headlines.”

Trump Said It Before Election​

During a Fox & Friends interview before he was elected, Trump said he planned to release the JFK files — but was cautious about the Epstein files.

“Yeah,” Trump said when asked if he would release them. “That less so, because you don’t want to affect people’s lives if there’s phony stuff in there.”

fwiw

 

[PopHistorian]

Guiffre has apparently committed suicide.

It's a bit smoothly delivered, so could easily be fake, and I kept backing up on X to find the source but didn't get very far. Allegedly it is the late Virginia Giuffre on audio claiming that Epstein is alive (comporting with the Cs' statement) and escaped to Israel.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1943072084424532289

 

[Joe]

It's a bit smoothly delivered, so could easily be fake, and I kept backing up on X to find the source but didn't get very far. Allegedly it is the late Virginia Giuffre on audio claiming that Epstein is alive (comporting with the Cs' statement) and escaped to Israel.

Yeah, something not right about the tempo of the voice. I doubt it's actually hers.

 

[axj]

Epstein's former lawyer now says he saw the list and that he knows who is on it, who is suppressing it and why. When asked whether those people are politicians or business leaders or both, his answer is "they are everything". He claims to be bound to confidentiality by a court.

 

[PopHistorian]

I agree the MSM still define what's the truth for many, but at the same time the whole internet seems to be noticing the lies, because by now everybody knows the Epstein meme and everybody believes it.

Definitely not the whole internet. The New York Times podcast asserts that there's nothing there, and the whole Epstein affair was always just a conspiracy theory. With restrained glee, they assess that Bondi/Patel/Bongino, etc. now know "the truth" and they have to suffer the humiliation of having believed in conspiracy theories. They then use this to paint all of Trump's appointees as conspiracy believers.

The point of view expressed is echoed to a lesser extreme by other politically leftist media. It's glaring, though, that the speakers in the podcast omit the testimony of Epstein's alleged victims, Epstein's prior conviction, Maxwell's conviction, and other highly inconvenient facts that are generally not disputed. These lies of omission strongly suggest to me an agenda to persuade listeners to believe them. Thankfully, some commenters raised these inconvenient issues.

Other commenters on the video reveal their ignorance when they say The List was buried because Trump is on it, apparently not knowing that Epstein was jailed six years ago and thus the Biden administration would have had damning data on Trump the whole time but didn't act on it? The New York Times podcast suggests the Biden admin didn't act because there was never anything there to begin with.

 

[The Mechanic]

Definitely not the whole internet. The New York Times podcast asserts that there's nothing there, and the whole Epstein affair was always just a conspiracy theory. With restrained glee, they assess that Bondi/Patel/Bongino, etc. now know "the truth" and they have to suffer the humiliation of having believed in conspiracy theories. They then use this to paint all of Trump's appointees as conspiracy believers.

The point of view expressed is echoed to a lesser extreme by other politically leftist media. It's glaring, though, that the speakers in the podcast omit the testimony of Epstein's alleged victims, Epstein's prior conviction, Maxwell's conviction, and other highly inconvenient facts that are generally not disputed. These lies of omission strongly suggest to me an agenda to persuade listeners to believe them. Thankfully, some commenters raised these inconvenient issues.

Other commenters on the video reveal their ignorance when they say The List was buried because Trump is on it, apparently not knowing that Epstein was jailed six years ago and thus the Biden administration would have had damning data on Trump the whole time but didn't act on it? The New York Times podcast suggests the Biden admin didn't act because there was never anything there to begin with.

Thanks, yeah perhaps I'm not watching the left enough.. I have the impression that Trumps voter base isn't buying it though.