Jeffrey Epstein arrested: Israeli-American pedo ring to be exposed?

[forest_light]

I'm just going to follow that up with expanding on what Palestine shared.

Thanks, it reminds me of a Mark Bisone's article: The Unmade Monster

We know this satanic crazy body modification has been going on for quite a while...

But Holy mother of God. I encourage EVERYONE to look at that link if only to browse super briefly, compare the before and after photos, to grasp the extent of absolute possession that appears to be taking place.
I honestly thought at first that some of these were masks.

The author, Mark Bisone writes:

I thought I’d said my piece about this topic recently, using Hernandez as a case study.
But I failed to mention that he was once a family man, or really anything about his existence, prior to his unmaking.

And that’s ultimately what we’re looking at:

not transformation but deformation, depersonalization, deracination [pulling up by the roots].
Desecration, even, to those of us who hold God’s gift of flesh the least bit sacred.

Some examples:

Retired Army Veteran - Esperance Fuerzina	Lawyer - Maria Jose Cristerna

Former banking executive - Richard Hernandez with son	Michel and Carol Prado. What a charming couple.

Jesus Christ Almighty, have mercy!
And Laura thought the haircuts in Vikings were bad

But here we run into another dilemma: the orcs seem to have chosen their marks.

Unlike Mengele’s patients, they volunteer for these twisted experiments, and will even pay small fortunes to the wizards themselves. How do they become so confused? Or, as one (atheist) friend who I showed these pictures to put it, “What possessed them to do this” to themselves?

I think the answer can be found in the violent words that Frodo used to describe their unmaking. Twisted. Ruined.

They were not just whispered to, not just lied to.

These people were attacked.

And of course, these orcs-to-be are simultaneously being whispered to, just as we are all whispered to by the evil egregores that infuse our political, academic, entertainment, and financial markets. We can think of this as a kind of spiritual background radiation (which can silently weaken the rest of us as well if we drop our guard). Absent all the deep gashes and bullet holes, they may become like Grima: physically still human, but seduced by dreams of fortune and power. With those grievous wounds in place, they become — or have the potential to become — an orc.

Not all of them will. Some targets will prove stronger than others, more resistant to damage or infection or both. But the victims who do succumb will likely become victimizers of some kind in return. That’s the answer to the age old nerd question: “How do orcs reproduce?” The answer is that they reproduce the same way vampires do.

And like vampires, they’ve been unmade into humanoid monsters, but of a kind that’s far more visibly marked.

And like Chesterton’s sailor-pig, the marking process rarely happens overnight. The same could be said for all forms of corruption.
It’s called a “road” to Hell for a reason.

I think this extreme 'body modification' and worship of utterly deranged, distorted, destructive, anti human 'art' and similar bizarre forms of self expression is becoming 'normal' in certain circles. I mean just look at all those crazy people who have endless botox and repeated augmentation to their bodies. Look at the people on the TV show "Botched" who have such serious cases of body dysmorphia. I had no TV for 8 years and got the fright of my life when I saw some of these shows more recently.

I kinda feel that 'Elites', their minions and those who are really pulling the strings behind the scenes - that really, underneath their facades, these images above are a far more truthful representation of their 'essence' and FRV. I wouldn't be surprised if Epstein's crew have beings like this as 'pets' that do their bidding. I also want to note that I appreciate that there are many people who do all kinds of body modification because they have deep trauma - as scary as they might look, they would not hurt a fly. I've met people like that myself. It doesn't mean I would trust them or want to hang out on a regular basis.

I have never had so many 'stop the world, I want to get off' moments as I have had in the last 2 - 3 years.
It's beyond sickening - and at the same time, I still have absolute faith in the souled part of humanity.

Thank god we all found each other here.
You all make this journey brighter and lighter for me, just knowing you are there, and that you see what I see.

 

[palestine]

@forest_light thanks for the follow-up. The Mark Bisone's post is not a very recent one, so hopefully things have changed a bit for the better since then!

 

[Ricardo]

I'm just going to follow that up with expanding on what Palestine shared.


We know this satanic crazy body modification has been going on for quite a while...

But Holy mother of God. I encourage EVERYONE to look at that link if only to browse super briefly, compare the before and after photos, to grasp the extent of absolute possession that appears to be taking place.
I honestly thought at first that some of these were masks.

The author, Mark Bisone writes:


Some examples:

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Retired Army Veteran - Esperance Fuerzina	Lawyer - Maria Jose Cristerna

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Former banking executive - Richard Hernandez with son	Michel and Carol Prado. What a charming couple.

Jesus Christ Almighty, have mercy!
And Laura thought the haircuts in Vikings were bad




I think this extreme 'body modification' and worship of utterly deranged, distorted, destructive, anti human 'art' and similar bizarre forms of self expression is becoming 'normal' in certain circles. I mean just look at all those crazy people who have endless botox and repeated augmentation to their bodies. Look at the people on the TV show "Botched" who have such serious cases of body dysmorphia. I had no TV for 8 years and got the fright of my life when I saw some of these shows more recently.

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I kinda feel that 'Elites', their minions and those who are really pulling the strings behind the scenes - that really, underneath their facades, these images above are a far more truthful representation of their 'essence' and FRV. I wouldn't be surprised if Epstein's crew have beings like this as 'pets' that do their bidding. I also want to note that I appreciate that there are many people who do all kinds of body modification because they have deep trauma - as scary as they might look, they would not hurt a fly. I've met people like that myself. It doesn't mean I would trust them or want to hang out on a regular basis.

I have never had so many 'stop the world, I want to get off' moments as I have had in the last 2 - 3 years.
It's beyond sickening - and at the same time, I still have absolute faith in the souled part of humanity.

Thank god we all found each other here.
You all make this journey brighter and lighter for me, just knowing you are there, and that you see what I see.

Those creeps look fugly now but give them a few years.... i bet they´ll become nightmare material XD

 

[Sindy-T.S.R]

Thanks, it reminds me of a Mark Bisone's article: The Unmade Monster

Brutalism as an aesthetic expression of the ruling elites reminds me of this film from the Matrix trilogy from 20 years ago:

I'm also adding these reports from Vice:

This is something I wrote last year about brutalism and its influence today:

Post in thread 'Why modern architecture is making us sick'

Aug 24, 2025

Here is a condensed version of what Tucker Carlson said a couple of days ago about modern architecture after the second world war, not only in Britain, but worldwide. A pretty interesting and fitting observation IMO. I couldn’t agree more!:

Here is the full interview:

Tucker Carlson and Fox News "agree to part ways" - Was he FIRED?

Fox News demands Tucker Carlson shut down his Twitter show Yep - Fox is desperate to halt Tucker's next show that is going to address the Trump situation: But it seems that Fox News can’t stand to see Tucker thriving without them. On the eve of his highly anticipated third episode, set to be...

cassiopaea.org

Perhaps this Vice article (in Italian): Tutti i cazzi del Cremlino
can give us a clue as to why architecture is so brutalist these days.

Here's...

• Sindy-T.S.R

 

[Turgon]

Just came across this video that came out April of 2025 of Shoshana Strook, daughter of Orit Strook, who is a far-right religious and conservative politician and member of the Knesset. In the video, her daughter says both her mother (Orit) and father ritually and sexually abused her as a child and filmed it. She left Israel and was contacted by a woman named Naama Goldberg who, initially seemed to be supportive of Shoshana but then later alluded to releasing the videos, indicating she works for these criminals.

She fled back to Israel (I'm not sure why), and asked Israeli police for protection from her parents and this criminal organization that was threatening her. It's no surprise that several days ago, she was found dead. No reports yet on how she died and under what circumstances. Her brother was convicted of kidnapping and torturing a Palestinian boy who was found naked and handcuffed with severe injuries. Her entire family were a bunch of psychopaths except for her.

he daughter of Israel's far-right National Missions Minister Orit Strook was found dead in her home in northern Israel, authorities said, as police opened an investigation into the case amid reports that she had recently accused her parents of sexual abuse and said she was receiving threats from them.

Shoshana Strook, 34, the daughter of Strook, was found dead Sunday in her home in northern Israel under circumstances that remain unclear, the Jerusalem Post reported.

Police have launched an investigation into the death, though officials have not publicly disclosed details about the cause.

In recent months, Shoshana had posted several videos and messages on social media in which she claimed that she had been subjected to sexual abuse and exploitation by her parents during her childhood. She also said she had received threats and feared for her safety.

In one video statement shared earlier this year, she said the abuse began when she was very young while growing up in the Jewish settlement of Hebron. She also claimed that as a teenager, she was trafficked and exploited in Tel Aviv, alleging that her father profited from the abuse.

Shoshana said she had reported some of the allegations to authorities and had been forced to leave her apartment after what she described as a recent assault.

Police have not confirmed the allegations she made publicly, and the status of any investigations related to those claims remains unclear.

Women’s rights organizations in Israel have called for a broader investigation into the circumstances surrounding her death and the allegations she raised before it.

 

[unkl brws]

I'm just going to follow that up with expanding on what Palestine shared.


We know this satanic crazy body modification has been going on for quite a while...

But Holy mother of God. I encourage EVERYONE to look at that link if only to browse super briefly, compare the before and after photos, to grasp the extent of absolute possession that appears to be taking place.
I honestly thought at first that some of these were masks.

The author, Mark Bisone writes:


Some examples:

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Retired Army Veteran - Esperance Fuerzina	Lawyer - Maria Jose Cristerna

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Former banking executive - Richard Hernandez with son	Michel and Carol Prado. What a charming couple.

Jesus Christ Almighty, have mercy!
And Laura thought the haircuts in Vikings were bad




I think this extreme 'body modification' and worship of utterly deranged, distorted, destructive, anti human 'art' and similar bizarre forms of self expression is becoming 'normal' in certain circles. I mean just look at all those crazy people who have endless botox and repeated augmentation to their bodies. Look at the people on the TV show "Botched" who have such serious cases of body dysmorphia. I had no TV for 8 years and got the fright of my life when I saw some of these shows more recently.

View attachment 117194

I kinda feel that 'Elites', their minions and those who are really pulling the strings behind the scenes - that really, underneath their facades, these images above are a far more truthful representation of their 'essence' and FRV. I wouldn't be surprised if Epstein's crew have beings like this as 'pets' that do their bidding. I also want to note that I appreciate that there are many people who do all kinds of body modification because they have deep trauma - as scary as they might look, they would not hurt a fly. I've met people like that myself. It doesn't mean I would trust them or want to hang out on a regular basis.

I have never had so many 'stop the world, I want to get off' moments as I have had in the last 2 - 3 years.
It's beyond sickening - and at the same time, I still have absolute faith in the souled part of humanity.

Thank god we all found each other here.
You all make this journey brighter and lighter for me, just knowing you are there, and that you see what I see.

As another follow-up, this reminds me of two articles from the "Bx Writes" Substack about Looksmaxxing.

Part 1:

More Than Skin Deep: The Dark Side of Looksmaxxing - Part 1

Recommended prerequisite reading – Incels Parts 1-4.

bxwrites.substack.com

Part 2:

More Than Skin Deep: The Dark Side of Looksmaxxing - Part 2

Before you start, make sure to read Part 1 here.

bxwrites.substack.com

This is all a very dark psychological operation to get humans to accept self-harm upon themselves and especially the young and innocent (imo).

 

[Benjamin]

When the C's revealed what "pizza" was being referred to (bloody genitalia - yuck), a little while later an album cover came to mind. It came from the 80's-90's glam rock band Warrant titled Cherry Pie (1990). It's not pizza (pie) but the imagery bares a striking similarity.

The song, which was inspired by Def Leppard's "Pour Some Sugar on Me", which also happened to be a last-minute addition to that group's Hysteria album, was written down on a pizza box, which is now on display in the Hard Rock Cafe in Destin, Florida, as part of the Destin Commons.

I don't think it was a Cosmic Pizza box or whatever that place was called, but it's still an odd coincidence in hindsight.

 

[palestine]

When the C's revealed what "pizza" was being referred to (bloody genitalia - yuck), a little while later an album cover came to mind. It came from the 80's-90's glam rock band Warrant titled Cherry Pie (1990). It's not pizza (pie) but the imagery bares a striking similarity.

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I don't think it was a Cosmic Pizza box or whatever that place was called, but it's still an odd coincidence in hindsight.

Nice (interesting) finding.

The match is so precise.

- would it be of interest than to check who created the design?
- was this group engaging into dark practices so as to get "fame"?
- does "bloody genitalia" refer to mutilation, or to women's periods?
- 1990 already. That's quite ancient. We barely scratched the pizza stuff not that long ago.
- the above picture has the ability to restart pizzagate research IMO - when I checked on "pizzagate" no that long ago, it was as if some heavy media work had been operating: result was that it was "an old unproven thing", with nobody caring about it any more (allegedly!). But, I remember how people, at the time, were involved in the research, and how they were convinced it was true. I am happy to see the above finding, and believe it has some potential. After all, the pizza mention came out of Wikileaks.

Thank you!

 

[Voyageur]

As another follow-up, this reminds me of two articles from the "Bx Writes" Substack about Looksmaxxing.

It all, by degree, reminds me of John Calhoun's 1968 mice experiment - above are those lured into said incel group/program and set about something like this:

Eventually other deviant behavior emerged. Mice who had been raised improperly or kicked out of the nest early often failed to develop healthy social bonds, and therefore struggled in adulthood with social interactions. Maladjusted females began isolating themselves like hermits in empty apartments—unusual behavior among mice. Maladjusted males, meanwhile, took to grooming all day—preening and licking themselves hour after hour. Calhoun called them “the beautiful ones.” And yet, even while obsessing over their appearance, these males had zero interest in courting females, zero interest in sex.

I don't think it was a Cosmic Pizza box or whatever that place was called, but it's still an odd coincidence in hindsight.

Yes, an odd coincidence.

 

[Benjamin]

This is very interesting. I had a conversation with Grok about "pie" and "pizza" being used as sexual metaphors in lyrics. It turns out that, while "pie" as "sex" goes all the way back to the 1930's, "pizza" hardly shows up at all. It could still be a sexual reference in the Epstein sense, but it looks like that connection is not coming from a music source.

Analysis of "Pie" and "Pizza" as Sexual Metaphors in Music Lyrics

A comprehensive examination of lyrics across all genres and eras, drawing from verified song analyses, historical interpretations, and cultural commentaries, reveals that "pie" is frequently employed as a sexual metaphor—typically representing female genitalia, cunnilingus, or the act of sex itself—due to its suggestive shape, sweetness, and "filling" imagery. This usage draws from blues traditions and extends into rock, glam metal, hip-hop/pop, and novelty songs. In contrast, "pizza" appears far less commonly as a direct sexual metaphor, with only isolated novelty examples treating it as a euphemism for intercourse. References are often double entendres, allowing plausible deniability as literal food references. Below is a curated selection of prominent, well-documented instances, with key lyric excerpts and contextual explanations.

"Pie" as a Sexual Metaphor

"Pie" evokes vaginal imagery or sexual availability, rooted in early blues double entendres and popularized in mainstream rock and contemporary tracks.

- Warrant – "Cherry Pie" (1990, glam metal): The chorus explicitly frames the woman as "cherry pie," a sweet, desirable treat: "She's my cherry pie / Cool drink of water, such a sweet surprise / Tastes so good, make a grown man cry." Written rapidly on a pizza box, the song layers food, baseball, and car metaphors for sex, with the "cherry" implying virginity or a woman's anatomy. It reached the Billboard Top 10 despite (or because of) its overt innuendo.

- Led Zeppelin – "Custard Pie" (1975, blues rock/hard rock): A raunchy blues-derived track about cunnilingus, with "custard pie" as a euphemism for female genitalia: "Drop down, baby, let your daddy see... I want a piece of your custard pie." The lyrics emphasize tasting and desiring the "sweet and nice" filling, continuing a tradition of pie-as-vagina metaphors in blues.

- Megan Thee Stallion featuring Dua Lipa – "Sweetest Pie" (2022, hip-hop/pop): Modern, explicit boasting of sexual prowess through dessert puns: "He a player, but for Megan, he cuttin' the whole team... I got cake and I know he want a slice... Let him eat me up." References include oral sex (Hansel and Gretel fairy-tale allusion to "eating") and the "sweetest pie" as the singer's body, blending empowerment with confectionary euphemisms.

- Mötley Crüe – "Slice of Your Pie" (1989, glam metal/hard rock): From the album *Dr. Feelgood*, the title and lyrics use "pie" as a direct double entendre for sexual access: requesting a "slice" implies intimate acts in the band's hedonistic style.

- The Beatles – "Penny Lane" (1967, rock/pop): A subtle, slang-based innuendo in "A four of fish and finger pie." "Finger pie" was British working-class slang for digital penetration or fingering, embedded in an otherwise nostalgic Liverpool scene.

- System of a Down – "Vicinity of Obscenity" (2005, alternative metal/nu metal): Surreal food-genital symbolism: "Banana, banana, terracotta pie." Here, "banana" represents a phallus and "terracotta pie" the vagina, amid broader obscenity themes.

Additional historical examples include blues pioneer Blind Boy Fuller’s "I Want Some of Your Pie" (1930s), a direct plea for sexual "pie," and later tracks like Golden Smog’s "Pecan Pie" or Neil Diamond’s "Porcupine Pie," which extend the food-as-sex motif in rock and folk contexts.

"Pizza" as a Sexual Metaphor

"Pizza" is rarely used metaphorically for sex compared to "pie," appearing primarily in comedic or novelty contexts rather than mainstream hits. No widespread modern examples were identified as primary sexual metaphors.

- Ruth Wallis – "Pizza" (1950s, novelty/comedy): A vintage risqué song employing "pizza" explicitly as a euphemism for marital intercourse. Lyrics depict a wife obligated to provide "pizza" nightly ("A wife must always say sissy when her husband wants some pizza every night... If I fall asleep, he puts it in himself"), with humorous references to resulting children. The track satirizes domestic sex dynamics and was later tied to discussions of consent laws.

Other pizza references (e.g., System of a Down’s "Chic ’N’ Stu") treat it as a metaphor for consumerism or addiction, not sex. Broader searches confirm "pizza" lacks the entrenched sexual connotation of "pie," likely due to its round, savory rather than sweet/filling associations.

This survey demonstrates "pie"’s enduring role in lyrical innuendo—spanning blues origins to contemporary explicitness—while "pizza" remains an outlier in novelty territory. Interpretations rely on cultural slang, artist intent, and listener analysis; some tracks maintain ambiguity for radio play. Should specific lyrics, full transcriptions, or expansions to related food metaphors be needed, further details can be provided.

 

[Benjamin]

I continued my conversation about "pie" and "pizza" with Grok this time focusing on references in literature. "Pie" as a sexual metaphor is used extensively and seems to originate in the 16th century, first with the Tudors and then Shakespeare, but when it comes to "pizza" it's overwhelmingly non-existent. Pizza is not a "sex food", it's a "food" food.

Deep Dive into Sexual Metaphor References of "Pie" and "Pizza" in Literature

A comprehensive review of literary sources, historical slang analyses, Shakespearean scholarship, Tudor-era texts, academic studies on food-sex metaphors, and erotic fiction across eras reveals that "pie" has a longstanding and multifaceted role as a sexual euphemism in English literature. It primarily symbolizes the vagina (often with connotations of sweetness, availability, or consumption) or acts such as cunnilingus, drawing from culinary imagery and urban slang. This usage spans Renaissance drama, poetry, ballads, and modern erotica. In contrast, "pizza" appears almost entirely absent as a deliberate sexual metaphor in literary works; references are overwhelmingly literal (e.g., as food in contemporary novels with sexual themes) or arise in non-literary contexts like conspiracy theories. No established tradition of "pizza" as innuendo exists in fiction, poetry, or drama, likely due to its relatively modern cultural association and lack of the layered food-sex symbolism that "pie" acquired centuries earlier.

"Pie" as a Sexual Metaphor

The metaphor originates in early modern English slang, where "pie" evoked the vagina's shape, "filling," or accessibility—paralleling other food terms for female genitalia. It enabled double entendres in literature, allowing authors to embed bawdy humor or critique while maintaining plausible deniability.

- Tudor England and Ballad/Joke Traditions (16th Century): "Pie" served as colloquial slang for the vagina alongside terms like "secret parts," "corner," "plum," "hole," or "pond." Private manuscripts and street ballads/jokes frequently employed it in openly sexual contexts, reflecting everyday vernacular. This slang appeared in aggressive insults or erotic jests, underscoring themes of desire, control, and gender dynamics in pre-Shakespearean popular literature.

- Shakespearean Drama (Late 16th–Early 17th Century): William Shakespeare masterfully integrated food as "racy code," with more vagina euphemisms (e.g., fruit dish, fig's end, nut, medlar) than phallic ones. "Pie" features prominently via "Pie-corner," a real London locale near Smithfield horse market and Cock Lane—known for cooks' shops, saddlers, and brothels. "Pie" and "corner" both denoted the vagina, creating layered innuendo. In *Henry IV, Part II* (Act 2, Scene 1), the tavern hostess Mistress Quickly complains of Falstaff: "He comes continuanly to Pie-corner —saving your manhoods — to buy a saddle..." Here, "saddle" triples as horse gear, a cut of meat, and slang for a prostitute, while Pie-corner evokes sexual commerce. The scene's tavern setting amplifies the bawdy humor, tying gluttony, prostitution, and libertine excess. Food metaphors overall (sipping, tasting, devouring) underscore sexual acts, with "pie" fitting the pattern of women/prostitutes as consumable "meat" or "flesh."

- 17th-Century Poetry and Erotic Pamphlets: Cherry symbolism—tied to virginity [this might be Warrant's Cherry Pie metaphor], nipples, or pubes—extends to pie-like desserts in works by poets such as Josuah Sylvester, Robert Herrick, and Thomas Campion ("There Is a Garden in Her Face," 1617), where fruit evokes unripe female sexuality ("cherries grow which none may buy / Till ‘Cherry-ripe’ themselves do cry"). Erotic texts like *The School of Venus* (1655) and *Wandering Whore II* (1660) use cherry/fruit imagery for genital descriptions or acts, reinforcing dessert-as-sex motifs that encompass pie variants. Charles Cotton's *Erotopolis* (1684) compares pubic hair to "black cherries," blending garden and culinary metaphors.

- Academic and Linguistic Analyses: Scholarly work on conceptual metaphors, such as Caitlin Hines' "The WOMAN AS DESSERT Metaphor," frames "pie" (including cherry pie) within a broader pattern where women are semantically "firm on the outside, soft or juicy in the middle," cuttable and shareable—mirroring sexual objectification in language and literature. This extends to slang glossaries in erotic or satirical texts, where "hairy pie" or "Captain's Pie" denotes the vagina or cunnilingus, appearing in 19th–20th-century fiction and dictionaries influencing modern writing.

- Modern Erotica and Fiction: Contemporary titles exploit the metaphor overtly for titillation or empowerment. *Eating the Neighbor's Pie* (lesbian erotica short story) uses the phrase as a pun for cunnilingus, with the narrative centering on a "dripping-wet" sexual encounter framed as sharing/consuming "pie." Beatrix Potter's *The Tale of the Pie and the Patty-Pan* (1905) symbolically critiques women's domestic roles via pie as "female servitude," though not explicitly sexual. In broader dessert-metaphor literature, "pie" recurs in scenes of consumption tied to intimacy or power dynamics.

These examples illustrate "pie"'s evolution from Renaissance slang to a versatile literary device for exploring desire, gender, and taboo.

"Pizza" as a Sexual Metaphor

Searches across literary databases, erotic fiction, and historical texts yield no substantive tradition of "pizza" functioning as a sexual euphemism or metaphor. Unlike "pie," which benefited from centuries of food-vagina slang, "pizza" lacks embedded cultural resonance for innuendo in English-language literature.

- Absence in Historical and Canonical Works: No references appear in Renaissance, Victorian, or modernist texts. Its 20th-century popularization as a food item postdates the peak of culinary-sexual metaphors in drama and poetry.

- Modern Fiction: In novels with sexual or coming-of-age themes, "pizza" remains literal. Jean Kyoung Frazier's *Pizza Girl* (2020) features a pregnant delivery driver entangled in obsession and queer desire, but the pizza is strictly occupational—no metaphorical layering for genitalia or acts. Other food-sex novels (e.g., Melissa Broder's *Milk Fed*) emphasize broader consumption motifs without invoking pizza.

- Linguistic or Peripheral Notes: Anecdotal overlaps exist outside literature (e.g., a noted similarity in Serbian between "pizza" and terms for female pudenda), but these do not translate to English literary usage. Conspiracy-driven interpretations (e.g., "pizza" as coded child exploitation in non-fiction email analyses) are extraneous to fiction and lack literary precedent.

In summary, "pie" exemplifies the enduring power of food-based sexual metaphors in literature, enabling subversion, humor, and commentary from Tudor ballads to postmodern erotica. "Pizza," by comparison, offers no comparable depth, serving instead as a marker of the metaphor's specificity to certain culinary archetypes.

Staying within the literary field, I wondered about humans as literal food. Obviously cannibalism is the first thing that would come to mind but I was thinking in terms of metaphors. How are men and women written about as food? It turns out that they are different, which seems obvious now. Women are portrayed more often as literally edible whereas men are written as being "meat as a symbol of masculinity rather than consumability."

Deep Dive into Metaphorical References of Humans (Male and Female) as Literal Food in Literature and Language

A thorough analysis of literary scholarship, conceptual metaphor theory, and cultural studies demonstrates that portraying humans—particularly women—as edible or consumable items constitutes a pervasive trope in literature across eras and cultures. This metaphor often intersects with themes of desire, objectification, power dynamics, gender performance, and consumption. Women are frequently cast as "food" (desserts, fruits, or meat) to be devoured, symbolizing sexual availability, nurturance, or subordination within patriarchal frameworks. Men, by contrast, are more commonly associated with meat as a marker of strength and virility, positioning them as consumers or embodied "beef" rather than objects of consumption. Cannibalistic imagery extends the metaphor into explicit fantasies of merger, revenge, or all-consuming intimacy. These references draw from linguistic patterns, fairy-tale symbolism, and modernist/postmodern fiction, revealing how food serves as a proxy for bodily control, eroticism, and societal hierarchies.

Women as Food: Objectification and Sexual Consumption

The conceptual metaphor "WOMAN IS FOOD" (or more specifically "WOMAN AS DESSERT" [1999 essay]) recurs extensively in literature and everyday language, framing women as sweet, shareable, or juicy edibles whose primary purpose is to satisfy male appetite. This trope originates in ancient erotic poetry and persists through Renaissance drama into contemporary fiction, often linking consumption to sexual acts. Desserts evoke softness, sweetness, and availability: women appear as "honey," "pie," "cake," "tart," "cherry," "peach," or "cookie," implying they are cuttable, portionable, and non-essential—akin to snacks rather than substantive meals. The act of slicing or eating parallels phallic imagery and deflowering, with terms like "easy as pie" carrying undertones of promiscuity or accessibility.

Scholarly analyses, such as Caitlin Hines' foundational work on the "WOMAN AS DESSERT" metaphor, highlight how these comparisons objectify women as purchasable, decoratable, and disposable treats, reinforcing patriarchal consumption. In media and literature, this manifests in descriptions of skin as "caramel" or "peach," breasts as "fruit," or bodies as "dough-like," blending nurturance with erotic edibility.

Prominent literary examples include Margaret Atwood's *The Edible Woman* (1969), where protagonist Marian MacAlpin experiences a psychological breakdown tied to her impending marriage, manifesting as an inability to eat. Food—particularly meat and baked goods—becomes a metaphor for her objectification; she perceives herself as the consumable "edible woman," with steak evoking animal flesh and gendered subjugation. Eating (or refusing to eat) performs gender roles, linking female appetite to autonomy or its denial.

Angela Carter's *The Bloody Chamber* (1979) employs predatory animalistic imagery, portraying the Marquis as a hunter and his bride as "meat" or prey, with the wedding night framed as satiating a "weary appetite." Women signify flesh for male consumption, underscoring themes of violence and objectification in Gothic erotica.

Fairy tales further embed food-sexuality links, with symbols of ripeness, hunger, and devouring tied to female gender identity and maturation. Modern women's fiction subverts this: Melissa Broder's *Milk Fed* (2020) and Chelsea G. Summers' *A Certain Hunger* (2019) explore voracious female appetites, including cannibalistic acts, as resistance to patriarchal control—transforming women from edible objects into agents who consume. [This line made me think about what the Epstein class of people has done to girls.]

Historical precedents appear in Sumerian love songs, where desire equates to hunger, and women are consumable yet participatory in pleasure [This line feels different from the feminist examples above]. In early modern English literature, food euphemisms enable bawdy commentary on female bodies as "flesh" or garden produce.

Men as Food: Meat, Strength, and the "Beefcake" Trope

References to men as literal food are less frequent and typically emphasize meat as a symbol of masculinity rather than consumability. "Real men eat meat" persists as a cultural idiom, linking red meat (especially muscle cuts like steak) to virility, power, hunting prowess, and hegemonic dominance. Men are not "dessert" but "meat"—embodying strength derived from consuming or becoming animal flesh.

The term "beefcake," coined in the 1940s Hollywood context as a counterpart to "cheesecake" (sexy women), describes muscular male physiques as "beef"—spectacular, hearty, and visually consumable, initially for female audiences but reinforcing male physicality. It contrasts with feminine "sweet" imagery, positioning men as robust providers or displays of brawn rather than passive edibles.

In literature and studies of masculinities, meat consumption performs gender: men who abstain risk emasculation, while meat-eating affirms autonomy and toughness. Dystopian works occasionally invert this, depicting male authority through sanctioned human-meat consumption, but the dominant pattern casts men as eaters, not eaten.

Cannibalism as Metaphor: Merger, Desire, Revenge, and Subversion

Cannibalistic imagery elevates the human-as-food trope to visceral extremes, symbolizing all-consuming love, exploitation, revenge, or existential merger. In literature, "eating" another person literalizes emotional hunger: devouring the beloved merges selves, blurs boundaries, or enacts power. Early examples include Shakespeare’s *Titus Andronicus* (c. 1589), where Tamora is fed a pie of her sons as revenge—cannibalism as poetic justice and familial horror.

Modern fiction repurposes it erotically or critically. Stephen Crane’s poem "In the Desert" (1895) depicts self-cannibalism as bittersweet self-love, extensible to relational devouring. Contemporary works like Agustina Bazterrica’s *Tender Is the Flesh* (2017) explore dystopian human meat markets, using cannibalism to critique commodification of bodies. Erotic cannibalism appears in feminist texts as subversive hunger—women reclaiming appetite against cultural imperatives to "disappear" or be consumed.

Poetic traditions, from early modern cannibal metaphors in Spenser and Donne to 20th-century fiction, treat man-eating as a trope for colonial "savagery" internalized or for intimate annihilation. It resists abstraction due to its physicality, evoking both horror and liberation.

Broader Linguistic and Cultural Contexts

These metaphors are not isolated to fiction; they permeate language, reinforcing gendered food stereotypes: sweets/femininity versus meat/masculinity. Academic reviews confirm meat as a patriarchal marker, while women's "hunger" is policed or eroticized. Subversions in recent literature challenge this by centering female or queer appetites as agency.

In sum, the human-as-food metaphor illuminates deep-seated dynamics of desire and dominance. It objectifies women as consumables, affirms male potency through meat, and uses cannibalism for profound explorations of intimacy and power. This framework has evolved from ancient symbolism to postmodern critique, offering rich interpretive layers in literary analysis.

Lastly, I took it a step further and went on to cannibalism. But I broke it up looking for the differences between the psychological profiles of male and female cannibals. There are shared characteristics but, again, there are differences, however there are so few cases of female cannibals that any gender-specific profiles are tentative. This information is derived from actual cases so the Epstein stuff is not included.

Psychological Profiles of Male and Female Cannibals: An Evidence-Based Overview from Forensic Psychiatry

Pathological cannibalism—defined as the voluntary consumption of human flesh outside ritualistic, cultural, or survival contexts—represents an exceedingly rare phenomenon in modern forensic psychiatry. Comprehensive reviews of documented cases indicate that it is heterogeneous, with no single diagnostic category in the DSM-5 encompassing it as a standalone disorder. Instead, it manifests as a behavioral expression of underlying severe mental illness, personality pathology, paraphilias, or trauma-related factors. Data are drawn primarily from small case series and retrospective analyses of criminal offenders, limiting generalizability. Most rigorously studied cases involve males; female instances are exceptionally scarce, rendering distinct gender-specific profiles tentative and based on isolated reports.

Profile of Male Cannibals

Forensic literature consistently identifies male offenders as the predominant group in pathological cannibalism, with documented cases typically involving individuals in their 20s to 30s who are socially isolated, unemployed, and single. Two primary psychopathological subgroups emerge from key case analyses, corroborated across multiple studies:

1. Psychosis-Driven (Disorganized and Aggressive Pattern):
Individuals in this subgroup often present with severe schizophrenia or acute psychotic disorders. Cannibalism functions as a defensive mechanism against perceived existential threats of annihilation or incorporation by the victim. Acts are typically sudden, unpremeditated, and precipitated by decompensation (e.g., untreated illness or substance abuse). Victims are frequently family members or close kin, reflecting delusional themes of persecution, possession, or fusion. Childhood histories commonly include emotional neglect, family violence, or abuse, contributing to fragile ego boundaries.

2. Sadism-Driven with Personality Disorder and Paraphilia (Organized and Offensive Pattern):
This profile involves mixed personality disorders featuring prominent sadistic, psychopathic, and narcissistic traits, often comorbid with extreme paraphilias (such as necrophilia or sexual sadism). Cannibalism is premeditated, ritualistic, and linked to long-standing fantasies. It serves to bolster fragile self-esteem, exert ultimate control ("making the victim part of me" to prevent abandonment), and gratify narcissistic or sadistic impulses following triggers like humiliation or rejection. Sexual elements frequently accompany the act. Offenders exhibit higher organization and planning compared to the psychotic subgroup. [This class sounds more like the Epstein group then the psychosis-driven class.]

Across both subgroups, shared characteristics include profound childhood trauma (physical, sexual, or emotional abuse; neglect), low socioeconomic status, insecure attachment patterns, and extreme neediness coupled with low self-esteem. Contrary to popular notions of "pure psychopathy" (characterized by emotional detachment), many exhibit intense, albeit distorted, relational bonds; cannibalism paradoxically fulfills a desire for permanent possession. When combined with necrophilia, disturbance levels intensify. Environmental and developmental factors appear more influential than purely genetic or biological ones.

Profile of Female Cannibals

Empirical data on female pathological cannibals are markedly limited, with forensic reviews confirming that perpetrators are overwhelmingly male. No large-scale comparative studies exist, and documented cases number in the single digits, often involving accessory roles or atypical presentations. Where female involvement occurs, it aligns more closely with severe trauma histories, personality disorders, or acute psychosis rather than the sexualized paraphilias prominent in male profiles.

- Notable Case Example (Katherine Knight, 2000): This Australian offender exemplifies a rage- and revenge-driven pattern linked to borderline personality disorder (BPD), characterized by emotional instability, abandonment fears, and explosive interpersonal volatility. A history of profound childhood sexual abuse, domestic violence, and dysfunctional family dynamics preceded the premeditated murder of her partner. The act involved extreme sadism (skinning, decapitation, and cooking of remains to prepare a meal intended for his children [which sounds like a version of Titus Andronicus]), interpreted as a ritual of defilement and punishment amid perceived rejection. Psychiatric evaluations noted comorbid narcissistic traits and chronic PTSD-like features, with no evidence of primary psychosis but clear volition and enjoyment of the violence.

- Rare Psychotic Presentations: Isolated reports describe female offenders in the context of schizophrenia or command hallucinations, where cannibalism follows matricide or familial homicide (e.g., boiling and partial consumption of a mother's remains). These align with the disorganized, defensive pattern seen in male psychosis-driven cases but lack the paraphilic sexualization.

- Ideation in Younger Females: Pediatric or adolescent cases of cannibalistic ideation (without action) occasionally involve girls, potentially tied to attenuated psychosis, obsessive-compulsive features, self-injury histories, or trauma, but these remain non-offending and diagnostically distinct.

Overall, female cases appear more reactive to interpersonal betrayal, cumulative trauma, or acute decompensation than to organized sexual fantasies. Gender differences in broader violent offending (e.g., women showing elevated risk with severe mental illness) may apply, but the extreme rarity precludes firm conclusions.

Cross-Gender Considerations and Limitations

Common transdiagnostic elements include early adverse experiences, social marginalization, and maladaptive coping via domination or fusion. However, cannibalism is not predictive of a singular "profile" and must be assessed individually within forensic evaluations. Substance abuse, while occasional, is not a primary driver. Importantly, these patterns derive from convicted offenders and do not represent non-criminal ideation or cultural contexts.

This analysis underscores the need for integrated psychiatric, developmental, and criminological assessment. Due to the behavior's infrequency, ongoing research relies on case aggregation rather than population-level data.

So, after I read these, I came to the conclusion that "pizza" might not even be used as a metaphor for females at all in the pizzagate/Epstein cases, or in any case for that matter. The fact that the traditional triangular cut of pie metaphorically points to female genitalia may not have a bearing at all to pizza. I'm wondering now if it's what's literally on the pizzas that's what's being brought to attention. As in: what kind of meat is being used? Jerky? ("genitalia"); what's in the tomato sauce? Grape soda? ("bloody")