Jesse Michels interviews

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I really liked this one interview with Jason Jorjani that I just finished and thought that I could make a thread that would be on the scheme of the already existing thread with Tucker Carlson's interviews. Jesse seems to me to be a very smart and attentive individual and researcher when it comes to the topic of aliens, UFOs, the deep state and the like, and it seems to me that he has a good nose for people who advocate certain things about these topics... I believe that some of you are already familiar with it, so if you like it, then I definitely recommend you watch the next interview when you have time...
 
Sure. I have to watch it again to do that and right now I'm at the hour mark. Took some notes. But decided I would use AI for the rest of the interview, which I hesitated at first because the information there is very specific and relevant in that way and also connects to other information throughout the interview, but I also don't have the time to watch again now for 4h so I'll first write my notes here and then see what the AI has to say about it.

Main topics in the interview are about Nazis, their technology, secret programs, geopolitical interests then and in present also, infiltration of
the Nazi intelligence in or rather the transformation of the same in to the American deep state and the like; UFOs and Aliens, time travel in that context, also Antarctica connection and Aryan people/aliens.

Chapters: 00:00 Intro 01:57 THE DEATH OF PHILOSOPHY & THE RISE OF PARAPSYCHOLOGY 05:27 ETHICS, AESTHETICS & THE LOST ART OF THINKING 09:12 RELIGION VS PURE PHILOSOPHY 12:11 HEIDEGGER, STRAUSS & THE QUESTION OF TRUE PHILOSOPHERS 14:44 AVICENNA, FEAR & INTELLECTUAL MARTYRDOM 17:44 ARISTOTLE, ALEXANDER & THE ONE WORLD ORDER 19:37 PHILOSOPHER VS STATE | THE PERIL OF IDEAS 23:13 NIETZSCHE, HISTORY & THE MONUMENTAL PAST 28:30 R.A.N.D., UFO TECH & THE MAGENTA CRASH (1933) 31:43 SKODA WORKS | THE BELL & ZERO-POINT ENERGY 35:12 MEMORY METAL, GERMAN TECH & ROSWELL DEBRIS 38:40 DEGLOCKE | ANTI-GRAVITY & TIME DISTORTION 42:10 TORSION FIELDS, TIME TRAVEL & HUMAN EXPERIMENTS 51:19 NAZI SAUCER PROPULSION & THE WONDER WEAPONS 53:13 FRANCO, SCORZENY & THE SPAIN LAUNCHES 55:58 OPERATION PAPERCLIP & THE BIRTH OF THE CIA 1:02:18 ODESSA, SPECTRE & THE TRUE DEEP STATE 1:05:18 RICHTER’S ARGENTINE FUSION PROJECT 1:07:14 NAZI NUKES, FISSION VS FUSION & SECRET TESTS 1:13:11 DID THE U.S. TRADE WITH THE SS FOR URANIUM? 1:16:09 CLEAN FUSION WEAPONS & THE HIDDEN DEAL 1:17:14 THE REAL NAZI VICTORY | 1945–2045 SOCIAL ENGINEERING 1:23:30 WELTANSCHAUUNGSKRIEG | THE WORLDVIEW WAR 1:31:07 THE VRIL SOCIETY & SUPERMAN TELEPATHY 1:34:29 ANTARCTICA | ATLANTIS REDISCOVERED 1:41:36 RUDOLF HESS, SECRET FLIGHTS & PEACE OFFERS 1:44:18 BLACK OCTAGON STRUCTURE | ANTARCTIC DISCLOSURE 1:47:32 OPERATION HIGHJUMP & ADMIRAL BYRD’S WARNING 1:49:27 THE BIRTH OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY STATE 1:52:11 ATLANTIS, IRAN & THE ARYAN ORIGINS 1:55:43 EARTH CRUST DISPLACEMENT & POLE SHIFT THEORY 2:00:23 THE TUNGUSKA EVENT & ENERGY WEAPON HYPOTHESIS 2:05:48 ATLANTEAN SURVIVORS & TIME WAR CIVILIZATION 2:10:39 REINHOLD SCHMIDT & EARLY ALIEN CONTACTS 2:15:33 DESMOND LESLIE, VENUSIANS & THE GREAT DECEPTION 2:17:12 KNIGHTS OF MALTA, BLACKMAIL & POWER NETWORKS 2:21:46 COSMIC FACTIONS | ANGELS, ASURAS & CONTROL SYSTEMS 2:25:13 THE ANGELIC HIVE MIND & SOUL MACHINERY 2:31:16 THE MOON AS A CONSCIOUSNESS HARVESTER 2:36:22 REMOTE VIEWING, MOKSHA & SOLAR SYSTEM WAR 2:40:16 PROMETHEUS, HUMAN ORIGINS & THE FIRE OF GODS 2:42:21 THE NORDICS, NUKES & INTERVENTION 2:52:50 TEMPORAL DISORIENTATION & MISSING 411 3:03:19 MEN IN BLACK, MANTIDS & THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRICKSTER 3:16:29 THE OWLS, LUCIFER & THE COSMIC TEST 3:35:19 PHILOSOPHY VS FAITH | PROMETHEAN REBELLION 3:41:02 THEATER OF CONSCIOUSNESS | THE COSMIC PLAY

Notes up to 1h mark:
As an intro to the interview, Jason says that he would first like to explain why philosophers should be dealing with the topics of phenomena like close encounters and parapsychology.

"...I think that one of the most significant crises that we face in our civilization and, you know, in the world at large is the decline of philosophy. Um, the reduction of philosophy to academic scholasticism and logic chopping, uh and the lack of uh deep serious broad-spectrum thinking that would be capable of for example tackling the close encounter phenomenon, right. I mean obviously
it should be philosophers who are engaging both with the data of close encounters and parapsychological data. Uh, in fact you know there were people in philosophy um who played a fundamental role in development of parapsychology at its outset. Both William James and Henry Bergson were among the founding parapsychologists in the era of psychical research."

"...and James had predicted uh in the era when he was the president of the society for psychical research that this would be the next great scientific revolution. What I in my writings have called the spectral revolution. And it didn't happen. And, you know, in my first book Prometheus and Atlas I ventured a um, you know, a basically theory of why it didn't happen. And that's because of the extremely serious psychological and sociological implications of mainstream acceptance of things like telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance and so forth.
And so, you know, it's not only essential for philosophers to engage with the ontological and epistemological questions inherent in parapsychological data or close encounter phenomena, but also the ethical and political ramifications. And this brings me to what I wanted to say in response to your opening, which is that...I've made an argument now in several of my books that it's definitional to the type of the philosopher to develop concepts that cut across all of the major domains of philosophy, from ontology and epistemology to then an ethics and the politics that follow from that ontological and epistemic thinking, and then also I think aesthetics is very important. From the time of Plato onward there's been this idea that uh the cultivation of aesthetic discernment and the capacity to percieve the beautiful or the sublime is also another pathway to knowledge. And perhaps to a kind of knowledge that transcends or undergards reductive rationality."

"...to be a philosopher, you really have to be thinking across all of the main domains and developing concepts that cut across them above all because you cannot have any unquestioned presuppositions."

After these words, the discussion continues about philosophy and its applications for man in the community throughout history and to this day, and implicitly reaches into the future of man; Some other philosophers in our history are also discussed (in short) such as Aristotle, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Kant...
Shortly thereafter, they discuss the technological development and capacity of Nazi Germany, and Jason develops a theory that The Roswell incident may have been linked to the Nazis. (The basis of this theory is the work The Day After Roswell; Saucers Swastikas And Psyops; The Hunt For Zero Point...)

"[Jason]...and he went in detail into various cutting edge German techonoligal innovations of the 1940s. Particularly military engineering.
And he makes a number of really significant points in this regard. Uh, among the things found at Roswell, according to Corso, was Kevlar, Velcro, Night vision and Fiber optics. [Jesse]: And lasers, I belive. [Jason]And lasers. Every...now, this I mean, okay, I guess space alines could be using Kevlar. Maybe they could be using Velcro, too. But Farrell researched this and he provides documentation that shows that the Germans had invented every single one of this in the 1940s. They were not in common use. They were not even accessible to the majority of the German military, but they were being tested uh, you know, as sort of cutting edge weapons technology especially like in the North African desert in 1943-44'."

"[Jason]...German subsidiary of IBM, a company called Dehomag was way ahead. Not only of like all the other American transistor manufacturers, but ahead of the American IBM...[Jesse]But this brings up two really important questions. One is what caused this just general technological acceleration in Nazi Germany in the, you know, 30s and 40s...I mean look at V2 rockets are like 20 30 years ahead of anything in the west. Um you know all the Wunderwaffe, you know, their fighter jest were, the skunk works was kind of a response to the fact that their fighter jets were running circles around ours. So what accounts for that? A and then B, if they are so advanced technologically, why did the United States ultimately, you know, prevail and beat them in World War II?"

To this, Jason replies that he would first explain a little more about the interests of the Nazis in the context of technology, and then later returned to those questions; discussing of "Black" projects related to propulsion systems, die Glocke... This discussion is interesting because it also mentions the variability in time that has occurred as a result of working on such projects...there are also some people involved in all this, such as Ernst-Robert Grawitz, Josef Mengele, Walther Gerlach, Thomas Townsend Brown...

Another thing that is interesting to me personally is the integration of the Nazis into American intelligence. Specific Gehlen Organization. So he says:

"What fewer people know about is the incorporation of the Gehlen Organization into American intelligence. So remember, The Soviets are marching across all of Eastern Europe, taking all this territory that had been part of the Reich. There is a whole network of Nazi SS affiliated intelligence operatives in Eastern Europe who continue to be embedded there as the Soviets are marching over the territory. So what happens in 1945 when America "wins" the war, immediately at a strategic level it's understood that our enemy is now the Soviet Union
and the world is divided at Berlin right...and if we are going to uh conduct successful espionage on the Soviets we would have to build a vast spy network in Eastern Europe. Well there's already one there. It's the network that was run by General Reinhard Gehlen. So our OSS makes a deal with General Gehlen to absorb his entire Nazi spy network in Eastern Europe as part of the creation of the CIA. Part of the creation of the CIA and of West German intelligence which was very closely affiliated with the CIA....So it's not just the case that CIA brought over all these Nazi scientists. The CIA that did that was co-constituted by absorbing an SS spy network."

AI summary after 1h mark:
After the 1 h mark, Jorjani begins asserting that Nazi science and intelligence networks didn’t disappear in 1945 — they were integrated into U.S. and other Allied programs. He frames Operation Paperclip as not just a tech transfer, but part of a broader continuity of hidden Nazi-era influence in postwar intelligence and deep-state structures.

He suggests that former SS scientists, engineers, and occult researchers were absorbed into new institutions (CIA, aerospace, etc.) and that this shaping force persisted for decades, influencing policy and secrecy around advanced technologies.

Jorjani then elaborates on the topic of UFOs — which is one of the central controversial claims in the interview:

1) Nazi Advanced Engineering & Saucer Projects


  • He references German experimental research at places like the Skoda Works purportedly involving zero-point energy, anti-gravity, and exotic propulsion systems.ar15.com
  • The infamous Die Glocke (“The Bell”) is mentioned: a secret SS device allegedly generating torsion fields, time effects, and anomalous physics. According to the narrative, this was tested and possibly integrated into larger craft designs.ar15.com
  • Jorjani suggests that Nazi engineers explored boundary-layer suction and saucer-shaped airframes, connecting aerodynamic experimentation to proto-UFO designs.Metacast: podcast app with transcripts

These claims mix documented WWII tech advances with speculative theories about secret aerospace programs. They also tie into fringe narratives about what ended up at Roswell, with some saying memory metals and other exotic materials were found there (often cited via later literature like Corso and Vesco).ar15.com

Jorjani moves into Antarctic speculation:


  • He repeats a common UFO-conspiracy theme that secret Nazi bases or research facilities remain under the ice, potentially tied to Atlantis or ancient civilizations.Reddit
  • There’s mention of black octagonal structures and hidden ruins beneath the ice — stories drawn from fringe sources about alleged discoveries of ancient technology or bases.YouTube

These ideas tie into the broader narrative of a global hidden network that influences geopolitics and modern UFO discourse.

A significant part of the latter interview deals with claims about Nazi nuclear/fusion technology:


  • Jorjani mentions alleged secret tests in late WWII and an idea that Nazis pursued clean fusion weapons rather than fission bombs, and that this technology may have been traded for post-war integration into U.S. science.YouTube
  • He speculates about knowledge of nuclear yields based on intercepted conversations between Heisenberg and colleagues after Hiroshima, suggesting they had deep understanding of atomic science.Metacast: podcast app with transcripts

These stories are not established by mainstream historians but are part of a broader alternative history genre.



Rather than portraying UFOs strictly as extraterrestrial, Jorjani often frames them as:​



  • Possibly advanced human-engineered tech that evolved from WWII research.
  • Part of a hidden aerospace race where intelligence agencies keep discoveries classified.Reddit

This aligns with some UFO-skeptic theories: that many sightings involve experimental craft developed under secrecy rather than alien vehicles.

Later in the interview he explores more metaphysical aspects:


  • Jorjani touches on remote viewing, consciousness, and paranormal narratives — suggesting some UFO experiences tie into human perception, non-material intelligence, or psychological systems.YouTube
  • He also references stories of encounters with beings (Nordic-type UFO entities) and interdimensional perspectives — though presented more as philosophical speculation than hard evidence.Reddit

These elements drift far from conventional explanations and blend UFO lore with spiritual and esoteric interpretations.

Toward the end, the discussion becomes even more abstract, with themes such as:


  • The idea that UFOs may be part of a control system of consciousness, and not simply physical craft.YouTube
  • References to aliens as angels, demons, or metaphysical entities influencing belief systems.YouTube

This reflects philosophical questions about why UFO phenomena provoke deep cultural, psychological, and spiritual reactions.
 
Haven't watched this, but I will now after I post this. It is an interview with Kirsan Ilyumzhinov who is a former President of the Republic of Kalmykia and longtime President of the World Chess Federation (FIDE). Ilyumzinov held senior political office, sat in Russia’s State Council, advised Vladimir Putin, met repeatedly with Henry Kissinger, Jimmy Carter, Pope John Paul II, and is close friends with the Dalai Lama. He says his UFO experience was acknowledged by Boris Yeltsin and discussed with Putin. He also mentioned having a deep discussion about it with Henry Kissinger who seemed to know all about UFOs before speaking with him.

The following is a transcript from introduction portion of the video:
[Jesse] You are, to my knowledge, the only leader of a prominent nation who was abducted by aliens and taken up on a spacecraft while you were a sitting president in 1997. [Kirsan] You are constantly using the term abducted. I was invited by them. [Jesse] The episode you're about to watch is truly historic. I'm here with the great Kirsan Ilyumzhinov. Not only was he president of Kalmykia at the time of his alien visitation, but he was also president of FIDE, the world chess federation, he was in Vladimir Putin's inner circle for decades. Has met many world leaders, including American presidents and secretaries of state. He knew some notorious figures like Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi very well, but also befriended Pope John Paul II. And because he was president of the only European Buddhist republic of Russia, he also happens to be very close friends to this day with his holiness the Dalai Lama. [Dalai Lama] So over centuries, we have some special relations. [Jesse] Kirsan describes his entire experience in full detail. [Kirsan] There was something like a translucent pipe glowing made of some matter. So, I went along this tube and there was something like a fiery like a planet giving off heat. [Jesse] In this exclusive interview, we get his chief of staff on record for the first time, saying that he searched Kirsans penthouse apartment for hours and then one of the rooms that they had thoroughly scanned, he just walked out of. It's so trippy. Beyond that, we discuss Putin and Trump's knowledge of UFOs and aliens. What do you think the Dalai Lama thinks about UFOs and extraterrestrials?

 
Sure. I have to watch it again to do that and right now I'm at the hour mark. Took some notes. But decided I would use AI for the rest of the interview, which I hesitated at first because the information there is very specific and relevant in that way and also connects to other information throughout the interview, but I also don't have the time to watch again now for 4h so I'll first write my notes here and then see what the AI has to say about it.

Main topics in the interview are about Nazis, their technology, secret programs, geopolitical interests then and in present also, infiltration of
the Nazi intelligence in or rather the transformation of the same in to the American deep state and the like; UFOs and Aliens, time travel in that context, also Antarctica connection and Aryan people/aliens.

Chapters: 00:00 Intro 01:57 THE DEATH OF PHILOSOPHY & THE RISE OF PARAPSYCHOLOGY 05:27 ETHICS, AESTHETICS & THE LOST ART OF THINKING 09:12 RELIGION VS PURE PHILOSOPHY 12:11 HEIDEGGER, STRAUSS & THE QUESTION OF TRUE PHILOSOPHERS 14:44 AVICENNA, FEAR & INTELLECTUAL MARTYRDOM 17:44 ARISTOTLE, ALEXANDER & THE ONE WORLD ORDER 19:37 PHILOSOPHER VS STATE | THE PERIL OF IDEAS 23:13 NIETZSCHE, HISTORY & THE MONUMENTAL PAST 28:30 R.A.N.D., UFO TECH & THE MAGENTA CRASH (1933) 31:43 SKODA WORKS | THE BELL & ZERO-POINT ENERGY 35:12 MEMORY METAL, GERMAN TECH & ROSWELL DEBRIS 38:40 DEGLOCKE | ANTI-GRAVITY & TIME DISTORTION 42:10 TORSION FIELDS, TIME TRAVEL & HUMAN EXPERIMENTS 51:19 NAZI SAUCER PROPULSION & THE WONDER WEAPONS 53:13 FRANCO, SCORZENY & THE SPAIN LAUNCHES 55:58 OPERATION PAPERCLIP & THE BIRTH OF THE CIA 1:02:18 ODESSA, SPECTRE & THE TRUE DEEP STATE 1:05:18 RICHTER’S ARGENTINE FUSION PROJECT 1:07:14 NAZI NUKES, FISSION VS FUSION & SECRET TESTS 1:13:11 DID THE U.S. TRADE WITH THE SS FOR URANIUM? 1:16:09 CLEAN FUSION WEAPONS & THE HIDDEN DEAL 1:17:14 THE REAL NAZI VICTORY | 1945–2045 SOCIAL ENGINEERING 1:23:30 WELTANSCHAUUNGSKRIEG | THE WORLDVIEW WAR 1:31:07 THE VRIL SOCIETY & SUPERMAN TELEPATHY 1:34:29 ANTARCTICA | ATLANTIS REDISCOVERED 1:41:36 RUDOLF HESS, SECRET FLIGHTS & PEACE OFFERS 1:44:18 BLACK OCTAGON STRUCTURE | ANTARCTIC DISCLOSURE 1:47:32 OPERATION HIGHJUMP & ADMIRAL BYRD’S WARNING 1:49:27 THE BIRTH OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY STATE 1:52:11 ATLANTIS, IRAN & THE ARYAN ORIGINS 1:55:43 EARTH CRUST DISPLACEMENT & POLE SHIFT THEORY 2:00:23 THE TUNGUSKA EVENT & ENERGY WEAPON HYPOTHESIS 2:05:48 ATLANTEAN SURVIVORS & TIME WAR CIVILIZATION 2:10:39 REINHOLD SCHMIDT & EARLY ALIEN CONTACTS 2:15:33 DESMOND LESLIE, VENUSIANS & THE GREAT DECEPTION 2:17:12 KNIGHTS OF MALTA, BLACKMAIL & POWER NETWORKS 2:21:46 COSMIC FACTIONS | ANGELS, ASURAS & CONTROL SYSTEMS 2:25:13 THE ANGELIC HIVE MIND & SOUL MACHINERY 2:31:16 THE MOON AS A CONSCIOUSNESS HARVESTER 2:36:22 REMOTE VIEWING, MOKSHA & SOLAR SYSTEM WAR 2:40:16 PROMETHEUS, HUMAN ORIGINS & THE FIRE OF GODS 2:42:21 THE NORDICS, NUKES & INTERVENTION 2:52:50 TEMPORAL DISORIENTATION & MISSING 411 3:03:19 MEN IN BLACK, MANTIDS & THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRICKSTER 3:16:29 THE OWLS, LUCIFER & THE COSMIC TEST 3:35:19 PHILOSOPHY VS FAITH | PROMETHEAN REBELLION 3:41:02 THEATER OF CONSCIOUSNESS | THE COSMIC PLAY

Notes up to 1h mark:
As an intro to the interview, Jason says that he would first like to explain why philosophers should be dealing with the topics of phenomena like close encounters and parapsychology.

"...I think that one of the most significant crises that we face in our civilization and, you know, in the world at large is the decline of philosophy. Um, the reduction of philosophy to academic scholasticism and logic chopping, uh and the lack of uh deep serious broad-spectrum thinking that would be capable of for example tackling the close encounter phenomenon, right. I mean obviously
it should be philosophers who are engaging both with the data of close encounters and parapsychological data. Uh, in fact you know there were people in philosophy um who played a fundamental role in development of parapsychology at its outset. Both William James and Henry Bergson were among the founding parapsychologists in the era of psychical research."

"...and James had predicted uh in the era when he was the president of the society for psychical research that this would be the next great scientific revolution. What I in my writings have called the spectral revolution. And it didn't happen. And, you know, in my first book Prometheus and Atlas I ventured a um, you know, a basically theory of why it didn't happen. And that's because of the extremely serious psychological and sociological implications of mainstream acceptance of things like telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance and so forth.
And so, you know, it's not only essential for philosophers to engage with the ontological and epistemological questions inherent in parapsychological data or close encounter phenomena, but also the ethical and political ramifications. And this brings me to what I wanted to say in response to your opening, which is that...I've made an argument now in several of my books that it's definitional to the type of the philosopher to develop concepts that cut across all of the major domains of philosophy, from ontology and epistemology to then an ethics and the politics that follow from that ontological and epistemic thinking, and then also I think aesthetics is very important. From the time of Plato onward there's been this idea that uh the cultivation of aesthetic discernment and the capacity to percieve the beautiful or the sublime is also another pathway to knowledge. And perhaps to a kind of knowledge that transcends or undergards reductive rationality."

"...to be a philosopher, you really have to be thinking across all of the main domains and developing concepts that cut across them above all because you cannot have any unquestioned presuppositions."

After these words, the discussion continues about philosophy and its applications for man in the community throughout history and to this day, and implicitly reaches into the future of man; Some other philosophers in our history are also discussed (in short) such as Aristotle, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Kant...
Shortly thereafter, they discuss the technological development and capacity of Nazi Germany, and Jason develops a theory that The Roswell incident may have been linked to the Nazis. (The basis of this theory is the work The Day After Roswell; Saucers Swastikas And Psyops; The Hunt For Zero Point...)

"[Jason]...and he went in detail into various cutting edge German techonoligal innovations of the 1940s. Particularly military engineering.
And he makes a number of really significant points in this regard. Uh, among the things found at Roswell, according to Corso, was Kevlar, Velcro, Night vision and Fiber optics. [Jesse]: And lasers, I belive. [Jason]And lasers. Every...now, this I mean, okay, I guess space alines could be using Kevlar. Maybe they could be using Velcro, too. But Farrell researched this and he provides documentation that shows that the Germans had invented every single one of this in the 1940s. They were not in common use. They were not even accessible to the majority of the German military, but they were being tested uh, you know, as sort of cutting edge weapons technology especially like in the North African desert in 1943-44'."

"[Jason]...German subsidiary of IBM, a company called Dehomag was way ahead. Not only of like all the other American transistor manufacturers, but ahead of the American IBM...[Jesse]But this brings up two really important questions. One is what caused this just general technological acceleration in Nazi Germany in the, you know, 30s and 40s...I mean look at V2 rockets are like 20 30 years ahead of anything in the west. Um you know all the Wunderwaffe, you know, their fighter jest were, the skunk works was kind of a response to the fact that their fighter jets were running circles around ours. So what accounts for that? A and then B, if they are so advanced technologically, why did the United States ultimately, you know, prevail and beat them in World War II?"

To this, Jason replies that he would first explain a little more about the interests of the Nazis in the context of technology, and then later returned to those questions; discussing of "Black" projects related to propulsion systems, die Glocke... This discussion is interesting because it also mentions the variability in time that has occurred as a result of working on such projects...there are also some people involved in all this, such as Ernst-Robert Grawitz, Josef Mengele, Walther Gerlach, Thomas Townsend Brown...

Another thing that is interesting to me personally is the integration of the Nazis into American intelligence. Specific Gehlen Organization. So he says:

"What fewer people know about is the incorporation of the Gehlen Organization into American intelligence. So remember, The Soviets are marching across all of Eastern Europe, taking all this territory that had been part of the Reich. There is a whole network of Nazi SS affiliated intelligence operatives in Eastern Europe who continue to be embedded there as the Soviets are marching over the territory. So what happens in 1945 when America "wins" the war, immediately at a strategic level it's understood that our enemy is now the Soviet Union
and the world is divided at Berlin right...and if we are going to uh conduct successful espionage on the Soviets we would have to build a vast spy network in Eastern Europe. Well there's already one there. It's the network that was run by General Reinhard Gehlen. So our OSS makes a deal with General Gehlen to absorb his entire Nazi spy network in Eastern Europe as part of the creation of the CIA. Part of the creation of the CIA and of West German intelligence which was very closely affiliated with the CIA....So it's not just the case that CIA brought over all these Nazi scientists. The CIA that did that was co-constituted by absorbing an SS spy network."

AI summary after 1h mark:
I didn't like how AI summarized the rest of the interview so I took some time to watch it again and write my own summary which is really the stuff that I am interested in and that is being discussed in the interview...So the following is from 1h mark to the end. Also it could be that I left out some important stuff, but as I said, I wrote down what I was interested in and what I found important for myself, but also it is not so easy to summarize 3h of info in a few sentences.

-SS ("particular SS officers") develops high level intelligence and financial relationship with both the US and United Kingdom
-US connection: -"Wherner von Braun was an SS Major who used slave labor to build rockets and basically a concentration camp inside of mountain
-"When Werner von Braun and his buddies were down in Texas, it was noticed by FBI probably, that they were going in
meeting Nazi counterparts coming from Argentina at border towns in Mexico and giving them data drops (they were giving classified American military data in meetings at Mexico). So they were confronted about this by the Americans. Next thing you know a V2 rocket "goes off course" and hits a place in Mexico. And von Brauns people basically intimated to the Americans, you know, if you make working conditions hard for us and keep grilling us like this, rockets are bound to go off course and maybe, you know, a war with Mexico might even start. So they were being hassled by these people in a way that suggests that these Nazis had a lot more control and latitude than the civilian government of the US wanted to belive was the case."
-UK connection: -Ian Fleming - MI6 operative
-SPECIFIC MISSION (at the end of the war): facilitate the evacuation of Martin Borman to Argentina
[Martin Borman - financial mastermind of the Reich; there are three conflicting accounts of his death; has a joint bank account with Juan Peron in Argentina; cashing checks written in his own name through JP Morgan Chase in Buenos Aires (late 1960s)]
-Ian Fleming winds up becoming a novelist who writes about an organization called Spectre which is a hidden third power in the world - "It's very obviously the organization which was known to Ian Fleming as Odessa, initials of which in German stands for "order of former SS officers" and which informally was referred to as Die Spinne (The Spider)"

-German nuclear weapons
-"there are some eyewitness reports of two German nuclear weapons tests being conducted between late 1944 and early 1945"
1. in the Baltic Sea where a pilot was flying over the Baltic Sea and he saw a bright light that almost blinded him and an explosion where there were like multi-colored, like rainbow colored lights fizzling inside the explosion which is a sign of a nuclear fision explosion when you see one with your naked eye in person.
2. near Thuringian Forest
[this is research that's been done by two people: Carter Plymton Hydrick (book: Critical Mass) and Joseph P. Farells deeper research on Plymton Hydrick's claims]
-"And basically the picture that emerges is this...the uranium enrichment program that Heisenberg was running was a cover and diversionary tactic to throw off the allies who successfully defeated that program."

side note: "Shah bought laser isotope enrichment technology from Switzerland in 1970s."

-Nazi leadership wanted/wants a thousand year Reich - "So, if the Nazis in the modern world want to set up a thousand-year imperium, it's going to require a little bit of preparation, >>investing a century in psychological warfare and social engineering to set up your thousand-year Reich is not at all an unreasonable investment. And so my hypothesis is that from 1945 until 2045 we are in a period of preparation involving horrendous psychological warfare and social engineering by a deeply entrenched fascist elite that controls the American deep state. So this is an answer to why did they not win the war? No, they won the war. It's just you have to rethink what the war is. The war is a Weltanschauungskrieg. It's a worldview war. Weltanschauungskrieg means a war over the constitution of the world from out of human consciousness, on a social level.

ANTARCTICA
-"...and there's a very interesting story that was told to Linda Moulton Howe by a Navy Seal who claimed to have been tasked with a mission in Antarctica and he said that not far from McMurdo they discovered a huge highly polished black stone octagonal structure sticking out like 18ft above the ice. And they found the doorway to this thing. And the doorway was like 20 feet by like 20 feet. And it slid open to reveal this octagonal huge chamber that was illuminated. It wasn't clear from what light source, with this pale greenish hue. And they started to investigate and they found that this complex consisted of one octagon underneath another. Oh, very important point...the door to the facility had a Schwarze Sonne inscribed on it. Etched perfectly into this polished black stone. It's the Black Sun symbol that the SS had put on the floor of the main meeting hall in Wewelsburg castle where the highest order of SS knights would meet...led by Himmler."
- last floor of the complex had antediluvian ruins, vastly ancient megalithic structures that were deep underneath the ice
-also, according to that Navy guy, you could enter the complex by taking submarines under the ice, US submarines
-Jason also points out that Linda has been feed with a lot of questionable info and implies that this info should also not be taken for granted

Operation High Jump
-"So in 1946, for whatever reason, US Navy sent a huge expedition of ships to Antarctica. And it's worthy of note that this happened immediately after we intercepted Nazi submarine traffic going to Argentina. So that happened, then the operation High Jump and then Admiral Byrd goes down there with a huge contingent and they supposed to be there for months studying Antarctica or whatever and they come back in very short order, badly damaged, many ships lost and personnel lost to whatever catastrophe. It's not entirely clear. I mean they blamed it on weather conditions."
-Admiral Byrd makes a statement to the Chilean press when they stopped at a port in Chile on their way back where he says that we needed to prepare for a third World War on which aircraft could cross from pole to pole at tremendous speeds. And then he was debriefed in Washington and never spoke about it again.

Aryan people-Antarctica connection - according to Avesta, "come from an island continent at the center of the world which froze over"
-"Well, if you...you know where you consider the center of the world is arbitrary. If you're
living in Antarctica and you notice by the way that all the other continents are distributed
around you, like Plato said at center of the world ocean, you're liable to consider yourself
the center of the world."

Atlantis-Antarctica connection - "...if Atlantis existed for tens of thousands of years, it would have been when Antarctica was the north
pole of the Earth" (magnetic pole shift)
- "So when people talk about Hyperborea, the land at the north of the world, and the Germanic people in
the Thule Gesellschaft say that Ultima Thula was the northern continent. It fits when the magnetic pole
was in Antarctica"

Magenta craft and hidden organization connection - [Jesse]"...was actually exfiltrated from Italy via the Nazi rat lines which people like
Reinhard Gehlen were helping to kind of orchestrate. And it was by the Knights of Malta. And Gehlen was part of this Monte Carlo group which was this kind of elite of the elite Knights of Malta faction. This faction comprised both Nazis, people like Gehlen, and Jews like Henry Kissinger."

MIB-Antarctica connection - Albert Bender --> "So, this guy ran a flying saucer research bureau. And he claims that while he was doing his research for, you know, whatever the UFO articles he would come out with in his periodical, these three men in black materialized in his attic. And he said they had, he said they had glowing orange eyes and they smelled like sulfur and they took him to some...they teleported him to, belive it or not, an underground base in Antarctica. This is what he was told, that he was in Antarctica all of a sudden. And they told him some things about...I don't know, what they do there and what their concern is with the Earth. Gave him probably some BS story like they give to everybody. And then they brought him back.
- Another MIB expirience (no Antarctica conection): "Then subsequently he said he was in a movie theater and he noticed like these guys all of a sudden materialized in some row of seats behind him. Then he got scared and left the theater and they like followed him some ways down the street back toward his home. During the time when John Keel was in Point Pleasant investigating the Moth Man and the various UFO sightings there, there were also men in black who would all of sudden like show up outside the journalism bureau there, the like main newspaper there, and come and have stalker type conversations with the newspaper reporters trying ascertain information about Keel. They would show up to the houses of witnesses and claimed they were associated with Keel when when in fact they weren't. And all of them were bizarre looking, like they didn't look human and they didn't act human. They looked poor similacra of human beings. And so they would speak as if either they were in a mesmeric trance or as if someone was broadcasting what they were supposed to say to them. With a lag."
 
Atlantis-Antarctica connection - "...if Atlantis existed for tens of thousands of years, it would have been when Antarctica was the north
pole of the Earth"
The most reasonable and obvious explanation is the one the Cs hinted at: Atlantis was an advanced civilization that "defrosted" Antarctica with advanced technology for colonizing purposes.
 
The most reasonable and obvious explanation is the one the Cs hinted at: Atlantis was an advanced civilization that "defrosted" Antarctica with advanced technology for colonizing purposes.
Yes, I usually go by their book (from Cs) and it serves me as a foundation for my thinking, developing ideas and the like, but as for Atlantis, I think, but I may be wrong, that in the transcripts 94', 95', 96' (I'm not sure) they stated, and even in the style where they did not directly answered the question but gave a comment voluntarily (again, I could really be wrong) that Atlantis is not a piece of land or a geographical location or a city or a civilization, but something else. I can't remember... It seems to me, from memory, that such a comment is actually in contradiction with some information about Atlantis that they have given (that would be true if I remember correctly that they said it was not a civilization) . And whether I'm just imagining it because I remember wrong, or whether some of the answers are the way they are because of the assumptions within the questions, I don't know and maybe someone can correct me or remind me... I'm reading the transcripts again, so I'm going to get to the comment and see...
 
that Atlantis is not a piece of land or a geographical location or a city or a civilization, but something else. I can't remember...
Cs have said that "it is like NATO".

May 9th, 1998
I would like to know what the geographic coordinates, according to our current grid system, that would frame Atlantis. I don't need the exact shape, just a general box shape... the perimeter...

A: Like asking: "What are the geographic coordinates of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization?"

Q: Okay, let me get more specific: the Atlantean land that was supposed to have existed in the Atlantic Ocean... what was the farthest north of any part of Atlantis that was in the ocean, that no longer exists?

A: It is "time for you" to know that Atlantis was not a nation, land, Island, or continent, but rather, a civilization!

July 18th, 1998
A: The planet has been enshrouded with EM grid.

Q: (T) Are these the ley lines?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are they artificially generated?

A: Contoured.

Q: (L) They are artificially contoured. What is the result of this shrouding?

A: Manipulated for use by 3rd/4th Consortium.
A: You are dancing on the 3rd density ballroom floor. "Alice likes to go through the looking glass" at the Crystal Palace. Atlantean reincarnation surge brings on the urge to have a repeat performance.

Q: (T) The Atlanteans who have reincarnated are getting ready to do the same thing they did before with the crystals. So, this is an Atlantean type thing that is being done now? Different equipment, but the same type of thing?

A: All lessons must be learned before you can move onto bigger and better things.

Q: (L) Is that a general statement about the Atlanteans repeating the lessons, or that once we learn this lesson, we can move onto bigger and better things in counteracting this grid?

A: All that is present and future too.

Regarding the technology to "defrost" Antarctica:

December 5th, 1998

(A) Okay, this brings us to the question about the Piri Reis map. We wanted to know the origin of this map?

A: Complex, but the origin would date back to 14,000 B.C.

Q: (A) Atlantis?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Was this map drawn when Antarctica was NOT covered by ice?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Was Antarctica not covered by ice because the poles were in a different location?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was it not covered by ice because the entire planet was not covered by ice?

A: No.

Q: (L) Was it not covered by ice because it was in a different location itself?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why was it not covered by ice? (A) Because the climate was warmer.

A: Technologically achieved.

Q: (L) Why would somebody want to technologically warm Antarctica if the whole rest of the planet was available for use? What is so special about Antarctica?

A: The whole rest of the planet was available for use? Not hardly.

Q: (L) Why was the rest of the planet not available for use?

A: Ice.

Q: (L) So, the rest of the planet WAS covered by ice?

A: No.

Q: (L) There is something I am missing here. (A) Much of the planet was covered by ice, but not all.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, instead of using the areas that were NOT covered by ice, why, in particular, was Antarctica...

A: What?!?

Q: (L) What I am getting at is: why go to all the trouble to thaw out a whole big island if it might have been easier to have been somewhere else?

A: Well, first of all, we thought this was Ark's turn. But, since you have asked, is it not obvious by now? Magnetic power grid physics . EM utilization. Crystals, and the like. Seeking paths to the interior? The "Poles" know best!

Q: (A) ) Okay, now we have been brought to electromagnetism, and that was my next question. I got some very old papers by Whittaker...

A: EM generators usually employ a grid. 'Tis for field creation.
 
Cs have said that "it is like NATO".

May 9th, 1998


July 18th, 1998



Regarding the technology to "defrost" Antarctica:

December 5th, 1998
Yup, that's it. So they said it was a civilization...and so the idea then is that it was a NATO type modus operandi civilization? So if that was the case than different cultures or nations were infiltrated by Atlantis? Is there a thread or certain ideas or a book that the people from this forum are aligned with? Or did someone put together all the info about it, maybe made some comments on it?
 
So they said it was a civilization...and so the idea then is that it was a NATO type modus operandi civilization? So if that was the case than different cultures or nations were infiltrated by Atlantis? Is there a thread or certain ideas or a book that the people from this forum are aligned with? Or did someone put together all the info about it, maybe made some comments on it?
You can use the search function of this forum or the transcript's website for "Atlantis".

If you want an introduction to the Cs cosmology explained by our favorite story teller, then simply read The Wave. You can find the entire series online and in book format. When reading the Cs transcripts for the first time, it's best to do it with Laura's explanations. There's chunks of sessions in those series, with their background and context, plus connecting the dots.

If you want a scholarly version with mysticism in it, then Laura's book "Secret History of the World" is the way to go. The message there is universal and timeless, and is the one book that mentions Atlantis the most.

In a recent session, the Cs supports what researchers from the 19th century have said: The myths in The Odyssey and The Iliad are ancient, i.e. from Atlantis. See "Where Troy Once Stood" for that.

See what resonates with you.
 
You can use the search function of this forum or the transcript's website for "Atlantis".

If you want an introduction to the Cs cosmology explained by our favorite story teller, then simply read The Wave. You can find the entire series online and in book format. When reading the Cs transcripts for the first time, it's best to do it with Laura's explanations. There's chunks of sessions in those series, with their background and context, plus connecting the dots.

If you want a scholarly version with mysticism in it, then Laura's book "Secret History of the World" is the way to go. The message there is universal and timeless, and is the one book that mentions Atlantis the most.

In a recent session, the Cs supports what researchers from the 19th century have said: The myths in The Odyssey and The Iliad are ancient, i.e. from Atlantis. See "Where Troy Once Stood" for that.

See what resonates with you.
Thanks, will do that.
 
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