I cannot find this question and answer in the Cs sessions. Maybe you can find it. What I could find was:
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palestine
Dagobah Resident
Hello, no this is it.
Reading the session back, I think that I interpreted it the following way:
"your computers will over-empower you" [Atlantis-like type of transition to negative]
"people being taken over in their minds"
"If you consider the ramifications of the previous answer ... [no betterment / salvation until] ... the power grid goes down"
Did I paint it black and extrapolated too much, in your opinion?
I wouldn't want to. Reading your post, and the session, shows me that we may not have the same appreciation of the session. I hope that I haven't been subjective.
Well - overall I think that I started form the concept of computer enslavement: unstoppable, something to watch out, etc. Like an ineluctable process, due to happen during our present times. And that the only road block to this would be "the power grid going down".
I couldn't recall Laura's question in the terms that the session features. Overall, I had that quote, in my mind, in simplified conceptual terms. I am sorry that my post did not reflect Laura's question.
Ian
Jedi
The following are some things that I find interesting in that interview...
First I will wrote the things said after Kirsan told us his experience and then the experience...
Kirsan Ilyumzhinov - Wikipedia
UFO-Government connection
*[Kirsan]: I talked with one of the NASA representatives, he says, "We officially record about 4000cases a year when people notice unidentified objects like saucers and some talk about their contacts."
*[Kirsan]: And then when we talked with the former president of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, he also spoke about the fact that there are various civilizations that have made contact with representatives of our Earth.
*[Kirsan]: And not only me. Later after I gave that interview, dozens and even hundreds of politicians, even presidents of countries told me that they had met them too.
*[Kirsan]: And then he (Henry Kissinger) suddenly asked, "Well how was it?" I didn't understand. He was like how are they? How are they feeling? What were they talking about? At first I thought maybe he was asking about some political meeting. He said well don't be shy. I read, I heard about it. So I told him a bit about everything. He was like, "Yes, interesting, interesting." and not much else. And Gorbachev sitting next to him said, "Come on, Henry, tell him. You should tell him everything." He just smiled, but he did not say anything at the time. And then probably a few years later, we met him again. He was visiting Gorbachev and me as well. They stopped by my place again. That time he was a bit more talkative and we had a bit of a conversation. From our discussion, I understood that he (Henry Kissinger) is very familiar with the materials, that he is well-versed and very deep in the subject, and that he knows a lot about the materials and the documents that are located at the United States President's Administration or CIA or NASA. He was asking about it and talking about it in a professional way. Very interesting stuff. So then during this very meeting, Gorbachev, when the three of us were sitting, reminded us about the folder that KGB chairman Yuri Andropov had told him about. They were friend with Gorbachev. And so one time Andropov shared a story about the first meeting between the leader of the Soviet Union Leonid Brezhnev and the president of the United Stated. I think it was Nixon at the time. After the meeting ended and only a few people remained, the president of the United States had a small folder like this that he opened and showed to Brezhnev and Andropov was present at that meeting. He was invited as the chairman of the KGB. Something quite interesting was in that folder. But after that meeting, all research and all flights to the moon suddenly stopped. You know, the United
States and the Soviet Union were in a race back then, a competition to see who would send more ships to the moon. The United States, NASA, sent astronauts. The very first astronaut, Armstrong, and others who landed and walked on the moon, and the Soviet Union, for its part, sent rovers, and significant expeditions from both sides were already being prepared for deployment. However, following this crucial meeting between the two presidents, everything abruptly came to a complete stop. All funding for lunar exploration was entirely halted, both from the Soviet Union and from US. And what it all came down to, just as Gorbachev himself told me, was this very folder that the US
president showed to our leader. Back then, there was a special department of administration within the KGB of the USSR for researching these unknown flying and not just flying, but also underwater objects. They were found deep underwater. Some massive shining search lights were observed and recorded by English, American, Soviet, and Russian sailors. And yet, regardless of everything, the exploration of the moon simply ceased.
*[Jesse]: Do you think Trump, Putin, Xi Jinping, these world leaders at the highest level, do you think they're aware of the alien presence and UFOs and UFO programs?
[Kirsan]: Of course they understand. As leaders of nations, they must be informed.
*[Kirsan]: I think it was during his (Pope John Paul II) time in the late 80s. The pope signed a decree and a special observatory was established right there inside the Vatican. They've opened an observatory and appointed one of their bishops as the director for research into all these extraterrestrial civilizations and UFOs. If the Vatican has opened it, then there must be something to it.
[Jesse]: So the Vatican has a dedicated UFO researcher in the observatory.
[Kirsan]: Well, as far as I know, their research is classified, but such a department still exists to this day. It hasn't been disbanded.
*[Jesse]: Did you ever speak to Putin, who you've had a long relationship with, about your experience in 1997?
[Kirsan]: Yes. But there wasn't specific conversation about that either. It actually took place after out meeting. Vladimir Putin invited me specifically to discuss issues related to the Republic of Kalmykia as well as the chess championship. So after the presentation, he took off his jacket and then he said, "Please tell me exactly how everything transpired, how it all unfolded." It was a very polite conversation. Then he asked, "Were you in your right mind then? You weren't drunk, were you? Everything was normal?" I said, "Yes, I was completely in my
right mind." He asked, "Why did you decide to speak about it?" I said, "Well, they asked me to share the story. It's interesting for other people." He says, "Well, yes, yes." I told him I thought about it for a long time and of course it's not really normal for me as a politician....
*[Jesse]: Do you think Putin takes the issue of extraterrestrials and UFOs seriously? Do you think he's investigated them and uh really, you know, is interested in that topic?
[Kirsan]: I know for a fact that this is of utmost importance and many presidents and governments, leaders of countries, including Vladimir Putin are involved. He takes everything very seriously. He examines every issue in great detail. Whenever he sits down to have a conversation with you, he always has a pen and a paper. And no matter what questions are asked, even chess related ones, he meticulously writes them all down.
*[Jesse]:...and I don't know if you know this but, um, Medvedev many years ago, I think he might have even been president at the time, gave an interview and it was on April Fool's Day, but the interviewer asked him a question and he brought up UFOs and he said the UFOs are locked up with the nuclear codes. And he was saying it like it was a joke, but you couldn't really tell.
-->[the interview]
*[Jesse]: Was there ever a time where there was a joint space effort where both the Soviets and the US were working on UFOs and alien technology together? Uh, and if not, do you think it's possible in the future?
[Kirsan]: Of course, there were contacts and cooperation between the ministers of defense of the United States of America, the United Kingdom, and the Soviet Union. If these contacts had not occured, a nuclear was could have started, some major armed conflict. Very large unidentified underwater craft were discovered and cited in the Pacific Ocean. The United States Marine Forces belived it might be a new weapon developed by the Soviet Union. And on the other side, our submariners thought it was an American weapon and an incredibly powerful one. And not only there, it was found in the Baltic Sea, the North Sea region, and the Atlantic Ocean. Everywhere. After that, despite everything, intelligence agencies and ministries began reaching out in to each other.
*[Jesse]: Where did you learn about the information that the United Stated and the Soviet Union were coordinating on finding these objects underwater in the Baltic Sea in the Atlantic Ocean? Where did you learn about this?
[Kirsan]: Well, first of all, I served in the Army in special forces communication troops. We had classified communications equipment, space stations. During the exercise on the Black Sea, several dozen unidentified craft flew in directly. People even photographed them with simple cameras. This was in 1981. The guys went out with those basic cameras and took pictures. But then a commission arrived from Moscow from the central headquarters. All the cameras were taken away and destroyed. Everyone was made to sign an agreement that nobody would say anything that nobody saw anything in the sky, nothing at all. And such agreements still exist to this day. I signed one of those as well.
*Foundation for the question was this video of an alien in Russia (read the description of the video)
[Jesse]: And so my question is do you think there's some underground civilization that's maybe as advanced or more advanced than human beings?
[Kirsan]: Well, I don't just think I am sure. I know. Even Baba Vanga told me. Sometimes she would point down with her finger and say they are talking there. They are there. And I asked her who is there? I thought she meant the people who had been buried. No , she said they live there. And I know some scientists who study caves and rocks. When I was in the Caucasus, when I was in India, in Tibet, in the Altai,
they found traces there, places where someone lived or where someone still lives and comes out from there. For me this is natural. In some books and studies it is written that deep down all the way to the core of the earth there are civilizations there as well.
--> Kirsan mentioned the Epic of Jangar in which the underground civilizations is described. (Or maybe something else)
Ancients
*[Kirsan]: When you look at the old irrigation systems, the whole water supply, the milleration work in Egypt, things no computer today could really calculate or the buildings in Peru or in Lebanon, in Egypt, the pyramids, they built it with such precision. Right now, no modern technology can, you know, actually recreate that. Even the largest cranes we have today couldn't lift these 100 ton stone blocks, the slabs used in building ancient places. Meaning a person today just couldn't build that, couldn't build it now. So it must have been another civilization that built it and they still stand. Or take the pillar in the center of Delhi in India. It's got 99,9% iron and in modern conditions,
no metallurgical plant , not a single blast furnace can produce iron that pure. Or for example, in Brazil where they're sawing through marble mountains, cutting marble slabs, they find pieces of a clock inside the marble. They even found a gear. How is that possible? This marble took millions and millions of years to form. And how did this metallic thing get in there?
The experience
*[Kirsan]: "So it was a regular working environment. And around 10:00 in the evening, I returned from our Republic of Kalmykia office, which is located in Moscow, not far from my apartment. I got there, turned on the television as usual, and lay down to sleep to get some rest. Later, I kept analyzing the situation. Was it a dream or not? But I had three witnesses. The driver, my assistant, the minister of the
Republic of Kalmykia, and my friend who came for me the next day. So I turned off the television and then it was like a vision, like a half dream, but I think it was reality because I saw someone or rather some sound was coming. My apartment is on the top floor, only the roof above. There were no nearby balconies to move from one to another. It was September and I always sleep with an open window. And now someone is calling me. I approached the window and there was something like a translucent pipe glowing made of some matter. Or
maybe it was some kind of energy and someone called me to go there. At first. I thought about whether to go or not, like any person would because it was kind of in plain sight. But I decided to go. Everything unknown is interesting to me. So I went along this tube or corridor and found myself in a space, a very large space. There were many people or rather beings very similar to us. As the great Buddha wrote 2600 years ago, in our solar system, there are four more planets similar to planet Earth where practically the same exact people live only with different skin color and therefore it wasn't too surprising to me. You know in childhood when we played football we saw a saucer hovering over the football field a few dozen boys watching it. Then when I was at Artek summer camp near Mount Ayu-Dag in the Republic of Crimea and later when I served in the Soviet army as well."
*[Jesse]: So what did the aliens look like? Their faces and what were they wearing?
[Kirsan]: I saw them clearly, although there was a bit of a lack of air. They were wearing yellow garments. One of them kind of suggested that I should press somewhere here on the chest. I pressed and then it was easy to breath again. I felt pretty comfortable. The air even smelled like the sea or the forest or something. I was pretty calm. I wasn't nervous. I just asked, "Will we be here for long?" They said, "We'll be back soon." Then I remembered the science fiction stories I had read about time fluctuation. I said, "Maybe an hour will pass here, and on Earth a hundred or a thousand years will have passed, and when we will return there, I will not meet my friends, nor my family, nor anyone. Maybe we will find ourselves there in another time, in another millennium." But the one who was escorting me said, "It's fine. We'll return you to where we took you from." And at the same time, I was a bit surprised at first because I was speaking and they were not. Reminded
me of my meetings with the Bulgarian prophet Baba Vanga, a very famous prophet. She was blind. She was answering before the translator had time to finish asking the question. It was the same situation with those beings who were well, on our planet at that moment in time. So I calmly asked a question and they answered through thoughts. You know there was once a state or rather a civilization called Atlantis where people also communicated through thoughts. And even now on Earth, there is a tribe in Australia that communicates with each other over distance. I asked to be shown around to se where I was. It was probably a spaceship, a very large open space, like several football fields large. No one paid attention to me. Everyone seemed to be busy with their own tasks. They were walking around, moving. Something was flickering like screens, different colors, images. I asked, "Can you connect to the television from here?" There are many channels like CNN or Russia Today, Al Jazzer. I said, "Why can't you address the people of Earth right now? Let the people of Earth know that you exist, that you have arrived and now observing. Or I can address them instead and say that I have met you, interesting ones. People like the great Tsiolkovsky and Sergey Korolev. The first person in space, Yuri Gagarin on the 12th of April 1961." They looked at me and said "It's still early. You have not yet reached the level in your civilization's development to communicate with us." I said, "How come? We have television, the internet, spacecrafts... They asked, "Do you converse with ants?" I say, "No, well, we haven't learned to ant yet."..."We live in different dimensions. Your only achivement in civilization is that we created you, the intelligent beings here." Not only humans, but everything that surrounds us, like animals, everything living around us also has intelligence. The same goes for cats, dogs, cows, and so on. "Your only civilizational leap is that is that before you used to eat them raw and now you kill and cook them and them in restaurants by
candle light. That is your level of development. Every creature that lives in the universe must go through certian stages and you still destroy each other. We kind of created you here. Gave you a beautiful land, rivers, lakes, seas, and you pollute it with industrial waste. Burn, cut down these forests. Right now, there are over 117 armed conflicts happening around the world. You are so beautiful. You have two arms, two legs, a head on your shoulders. Yet you direct all your science and efforts towards inventing weapons to kill each other as much as possible. Whether it's bacterial, chemical weapons, atomic weapons, or neutron weapons, you are always coming up with ways to kill more people." And so that's where our discussion ended, about whether to connects to television or not. On the other hand, they said they didn't want to disrupt the course of our civilization. "You are currently at an embryionic level still. You have a scientist Charles Darwin. He said that
everything evolves evolutionarily. First living beings were in the water, then they came out of it. Then there was a monkey and so humas evolved from monkeys. On the other hand, there are various religious teachings. You have books like the Bible and Christianity and others like Islam, Buddhism, Judaism and others that talks about something else. So just imagine if we say on television now that we have been here for a long time, millenia, millions of years watching and not only us bu others too." Official science constantly proves that the only
intelligent being is the humans on this planet. If we don't overcome this, then we will never meet anyone and will constantly remain in these three spaces in three dimensions. One of them led me to a large port hole, like a port hole window. And the reason I realized it was a ship was because it wasn't just hovering over Moscow. It seemed to move freely, shifting through different times, different spaces, and different dimensions. Why? Because on Earth, you couldn't see anything like that. I was looking and there was something like a fiery, well, like a planet giving off heath. And from there they were taking out some kind of cylinders or maybe not cylinders, more like boxes. They were loading those into the ship. Maybe they were collecting something. Maybe conducting experiments. Maybe they had landed on some planet while I was there.
--> the last thing that I underlined, I understand as they were at the Sun or some other star. I paid for online lectures given by Pane Andov
who is an interesting guy (Shortly, he said he was abducted when he was seven and that aliens told him, among other things, that this is
a universe of 7 densities. Also that the Sun is a window. And he said he also saw that through astral projections. That they shoot some kind
of plasma beam into the Sun and send or receive hundreds of smaller UFOs.) who said what I just wrote about the Sun and I found some
footage on youtube regarding this so I'll share it (they are short):
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*[Kirsan]: it seemed like I was in some kind of laboratory, a scientific laboratory or a practical laboratory.
*[Kirsan]: ...on the other hand, perhaps they could influence the state of mind so that a person wouldn't go insane immediately. Because when I returned back to reality to my apartment in the city of Moscow, I felt normal. My friends were already in the apartment looking for me for over an hour and couldn't find me. And then I came out of the bedroom, which they had entered and exited 10 times already.
*[Kirsan]: You are constantly using the term abducted. I was invited by them.
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