Kevin Barrett On Psychopathy
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mada85
The Cosmic Force
What we need is for any and every candidate for political office to be given every possible test to determine if they are a psychopath or deviant of any kind. Such tests are readily available, and the very fact that this is not done, shows who is in control by answering the question, 'Who benefits?'
Psychopath- and deviant-detection tests for politicians would be a good start, followed by the same tests for anyone wishing to be promoted within a corporation or military body, or enter public service, e.g. lawyer, doctor, teacher, and so on.
The Scottish comic, Billy Connolly, once said: 'The very desire to be a politician, should ban you from ever becoming one.'
Psychopath- and deviant-detection tests for politicians would be a good start, followed by the same tests for anyone wishing to be promoted within a corporation or military body, or enter public service, e.g. lawyer, doctor, teacher, and so on.
The Scottish comic, Billy Connolly, once said: 'The very desire to be a politician, should ban you from ever becoming one.'
PepperFritz
The Cosmic Force
Yes, but who would administer the tests? There is already a problem with the current tests for psychopathic behaviour -- both in criminals and in the workplace -- often being administered by unqualified people and for the wrong reasons. How to keep the "testing" process out of the hands of the psychopaths, who would simply use them as another tool for their own ends?mada85 said:
I think it's really encouraging that more people are taking Ponerology more seriously. I liked Barrett's piece a lot; however I am not sure I share his optimism about the possible 'twilight' of the psychopaths. I don't think that the spread of knowledge that he talks about has gone far and wide enough yet to make any difference, and I'm not sure it may ever happen.
On the other hand, I thought it was really good news that more than 80% of people would not naturally shoot to kill other human beings - even if at war.
On the other hand, I thought it was really good news that more than 80% of people would not naturally shoot to kill other human beings - even if at war.
mada85
The Cosmic Force
The question is, how do we get from where we are now to where we want to be, in terms of the world political situation? It is idealistic to think that testing candidates for public service for psychopathy and deviancy could be instigated overnight, and I wrote my post in an idealistic moment. But, such testing would be something that would appear as things started changing for the better, imho. Those of the pathocracy would not allow testing without a fight though, and certainly not at the higher levels of government, which is why I think it would have to begin at the grass roots level. For example, the head of a small private school may become aware of the phenomenon (having read Lobaczewski, perhaps) and decide to instigate tests for the staff. I'm speculating here, idealisticallyPepperFritz said:
, but one can imagine how the members of an organisation, having been tested, would demand that those in the upper levels of the heirarchy be tested.I think tests of some kind would be relevant and necessary, certainly at the beginning stages of the transition. The pathocrats would do everything in their power (as they are now) to skew peoples' understanding of the phenomenon. I think that a reliable test with measurable results would give people confidence in their own knowledge, especially when it comes to dismantling the current political system.Cyre2067 said:
The system and those that run it are not going to disappear without a fight.starsailor said:
Somehow, after the phenomenon is understood at large, a reliable means of keeping psychopaths and deviants out of positions of public service would have to be found. Whether that takes the form of clinical testing, networking or some other method, remains to be seen.
vinny
The Living Force
this is the biggest problem as far as I can see. that the deviants will not tolerate ANY hint of anything that might undermine the pathocratic system of control, and are 'biologically driven' to put up a fight of 'non-trivial' proportions, ie: it would consume the entire earth's resources and probably kill everyone in the process. hence Lobaczewski's quote: "Germs are not aware that they will be burned alive or buried deep in the ground along with the human body whose death they are causing."mada85 said:
they certainly aren't about to allow any kind of institutional 'test for psychopathy'. any such attempts (even local ones) are highly likely to be the target of the most sophisticated and determined cointelpro campaigns imaginable. (or a 'witch hunt')
how do we solve that one? by the incremental spread of information in such a way that it is available to all so that new possibilities may open up. or not.
how do we get an incremental spread of information? by the 're-capture' of our information media that has been utterly hi-jacked and corrupted, and by the creation of a 'place' where REAL discussion and search for truth can be allowed to take place. the easiest place to start that in a small way? right here on the internet. hence the absolute paranoia of the PTB regarding internet freedoms, and the ongoing campaign to tell everyone that "the internet is dangerous". And hence the ongoing attacks against SOTT and its founders.
Cyre2067
The Living Force
We're also discussing the phenomenon in isolation from it's 4D counterpart. It seems as if psychopaths are shadows of the lizzies, they're used to maintain control over the population of earth by keeping us dumbed down, poisoned, running in circles, focused on physicality and killing eachother. Thus it would make sense that spread of this information is connected to the wave and an overall increase in awareness for humanity in general, positing that if we had an awareness of the control system that in an of itself would give us the option to 'opt out' via an alignment with STO.sleepyvinny said:
I mean we already have fMRIs which can effectively distinguish between psychos and norms, though that doesn't seem like a very cost-effective option. A blood test could be useful, but then again without the spread of knowledge and awareness of psychopaths and the retaking of our global communications it's a mute point.mada85 said:
All in all if we spread knowledge of the phenomenon and reach that 'critical mass of awareness' anything is possible.
foofighter
Jedi Council Member
The article has been translated into Swedish. You can find it here:
http://vardagspsykopater.blogsome.com/2008/01/07/psykopaternas-skymning/
http://vardagspsykopater.blogsome.com/2008/01/07/psykopaternas-skymning/
henry
The Cosmic Force
Real change has to come from the grassroots up and from the individual outward. The first step is education on the nature of psychopathy and ponerology, leading to the formation of something like "psychopath free zones" at the grassroots. A network of such zones or nodes needs to be created very carefully, of course, to ensure that they are not harbouring psychopaths or other deviants.
Change that is broad and sweeping can only be imposed, either by revolution and a change of regime, or through natural catastrophe or disease eliminating enough people and infrastructure that things need to begin again.
But an imposed solution is not going to work. It will only restart the same cycle we have seen over and again in world history.
Part of the work we do here leads us to come to an understanding that just about everything we know about the world and ourselves is wrong. Given that, the creation of a new and just society means doing everything differently. Everything.
I don't think that kind of change can be imposed. If we are going to do it right, then we have to form new relationships with each other, and those relationships are the foundation of the new life. Such relationships have to be learned and must come from the inside out. You can't fake it. You can't fake transparency, being genuine with someone, and caring. You can mimic it for awhile if you are a deviant, but you will eventually be found out.
So it seems to me that change will emerge from small groups of people coming together and building new ways of being with each other. They will have to find ways of opting out of the system in some ways while working within it in other ways, all without drawing undue attention to themselves.
Change that is broad and sweeping can only be imposed, either by revolution and a change of regime, or through natural catastrophe or disease eliminating enough people and infrastructure that things need to begin again.
But an imposed solution is not going to work. It will only restart the same cycle we have seen over and again in world history.
Part of the work we do here leads us to come to an understanding that just about everything we know about the world and ourselves is wrong. Given that, the creation of a new and just society means doing everything differently. Everything.
I don't think that kind of change can be imposed. If we are going to do it right, then we have to form new relationships with each other, and those relationships are the foundation of the new life. Such relationships have to be learned and must come from the inside out. You can't fake it. You can't fake transparency, being genuine with someone, and caring. You can mimic it for awhile if you are a deviant, but you will eventually be found out.
So it seems to me that change will emerge from small groups of people coming together and building new ways of being with each other. They will have to find ways of opting out of the system in some ways while working within it in other ways, all without drawing undue attention to themselves.
vinny
The Living Force
hmm... I'm definitely guilty of 'habitual thinking' on this. It is very easy to get caught up in familiar patterns of hierarchical thinking etc when musing on how to solve these problems and how to rebuild life, and it is a hard lesson to fully 'get' that EVERYTHING I know about the world and about society is 'wrong' and I have to start again with a clear slate, almost like a child.henry said:
mada85
The Cosmic Force
I have been thinking about the issue of testing for psychopathy, and I've come to a conclusion which I would like to share.
Three people on this thread clearly stated their thought that making information available is preferable to testing. Intellectually, I could see that this is really the only option possible at this point, as this is the most needed action at the present time: we are at the very earliest stages of any kind of transition period. I also had an emotional/instinctive preference for this option; but, I needed to understand WHY this should be so.
I realised that my desire for testing is actually STS; a desire to change the world according to my ideas of how it should be. Tests would have to be imposed and administered by a heirarchy. That is to say, some person, or group of persons, would have to be in charge of the testing. Such a system is open to ponerization. Also, testing would almost inevitably become compulsory which does not respect free will, and we would be back where we started.
Making information available, however, is the STO choice. It respects free will and increases knowledge and awareness, and allows a natural flow of human experience into new forms.
It is, as has been said elsewhere, an unweighted choice. Yet, in another sense, it is not unweighted at all. It is a matter of life or death for one's soul.
I've used the term 'making information available' as this says what I think is the essence of the external work. It means allowing people to come to the information when they are ready for such an awakening.
Hope this makes sense.
This has been a most interesting and illuminating thread - thank you to all the contributors.
Three people on this thread clearly stated their thought that making information available is preferable to testing. Intellectually, I could see that this is really the only option possible at this point, as this is the most needed action at the present time: we are at the very earliest stages of any kind of transition period. I also had an emotional/instinctive preference for this option; but, I needed to understand WHY this should be so.
I realised that my desire for testing is actually STS; a desire to change the world according to my ideas of how it should be. Tests would have to be imposed and administered by a heirarchy. That is to say, some person, or group of persons, would have to be in charge of the testing. Such a system is open to ponerization. Also, testing would almost inevitably become compulsory which does not respect free will, and we would be back where we started.
Making information available, however, is the STO choice. It respects free will and increases knowledge and awareness, and allows a natural flow of human experience into new forms.
It is, as has been said elsewhere, an unweighted choice. Yet, in another sense, it is not unweighted at all. It is a matter of life or death for one's soul.
I've used the term 'making information available' as this says what I think is the essence of the external work. It means allowing people to come to the information when they are ready for such an awakening.
Hope this makes sense.
This has been a most interesting and illuminating thread - thank you to all the contributors.
I agree, I mean if everybody understands psychopathy there would be no need for tests. And if everybody does not understand, then if the testing system is ever infiltrated and corrupted, or for whatever reason the test happens to be inaccurate and makes errors - humanity at large wouldn't know about it since they don't understand ponerology so they cannot verify the results of the test. People would have to put complete faith in those few individuals administering and controlling the test, and also in the total accuracy of the test itself. Since it's impossible to guarantee either one, then I think it's not a viable solution.mada85 said:
Unless any scheme to screen for 'paths were developed and executed perfectly, the PTB could co-opt it at any stage, turning it to their advantage - and checkmate for Normies. So given the current conditions, I think we can forget about advocating 'tests'.
Psychopathy is something that we need to learn about in order to see it for ourselves*: just as they can see us. Having standards set by others, no matter how ostensibly objective those standards may seem, by which yet others still can be labelled then quarantined or something, imo, can only produce a situation ripe for manipulation.
*I think of it as something that is progressively unveiled.
Psychopathy is something that we need to learn about in order to see it for ourselves*: just as they can see us. Having standards set by others, no matter how ostensibly objective those standards may seem, by which yet others still can be labelled then quarantined or something, imo, can only produce a situation ripe for manipulation.
*I think of it as something that is progressively unveiled.
