Klaus Dona: Artifacts of unknown civilizations

[Cosmos]

Re: Schildmann

Quote: Shijing

I think that the book that Dona is using primarily is Als das Raumschiff 'Athena' die Erde kippte - Indus-, Borrows-Cave- und Glozel-Texte entziffert (listed on one of the sites that AI found). It's in German, but I'll request a copy and see what I can figure out from it. The summary from that site (_http://www.beautytruegood.co.uk/zulu.htm) is the following:

This author, who was 90 years old in March 1999 and is President of the Society of German Linguists, became at 8pm on 2 August 1994 (cf op. cit., p.166 for details) the first to decipher the Indus Valley texts, which are, as he now interpets them, mainly written in phonetic archaic or proto-Sanskrit, a feature he has since 1997 been consistently claiming they have in common with the perhaps even more fascinating Burrow Caves (Illinois, USA) texts, as well as with the texts from Cuenca (Peru) in the Crespi Collection.

I first wrote to Kurt in 2000 in connection with his at that time still unpublished decipherment of the Tal Qadi incised stone kept in Malta's National Museum of Archaeology in Valletta, and which, along with some other ancient texts found at Alvao (Portugal), Fuenteventura (Canary Islands) and Glozel (France), appears to be in the same script.

He writes: "There is a huge difference between texts in authentic paleographic writing and those based on oral tradition. Here now Indus and Burrows Cave texts versus Vedic and Classical Sanskrit literature, the latter recorded after millennia of oral tradition. The former ones are written in their own original script (Indus deciphered 1994, Burrows Cave deciphered 1997), both composed in archaic Sanskrit, in telegram style, while the subsequent later ones reached recording in an already sectarian India, having suffered from mystification, adaptation, poetical manipulation...

It follows that the now accessible Indus and Burrows Cave (Illinois, USA) [together with the Cuenca, Glozel, Alvao, Fuerteventura and Tal Qadi] texts are [our] only authentic source for evaluating a decisive phase of humanity's history that preceded all other recorded phases such as in cuneiform Sumer or, hieroglyphically attested, in Egypt..." (Appendix, p.2.)

It would be difficult to overstate the importance of Herr Schildmann's most enlightening book. "Table B provides a fair number of reliable syllabic phonetic signs - enough for getting ahead in deciphering almost all intact Indus Seals texts within two or three months, provided one knows how to handle Sanskrit and Vedic Dictionaries and is an expert in deciphering Sumerian and Maya (partly logographic) texts." (Appendix, p.208.)

He adds: "I have known for some decades that entire passages from the Pyramid Texts can be retranscribed into their source-language, viz., into Archaic South-West Iranian. Egyptology, Sumerology and Archaic Iranian Studies actually constitute only one discipline so that, unless those who are 'only Egyptologists' transmute, they will have to be dismissed. Today, when their 'learning' is in many respects and from many points of view - and especially because of their own ignorance and arrogance, so highly questionable, they are now, quite simply, in the way." (Appendix, p.238, my translation.)


This is probably the book to look at, so I will try to scan it also as soon as I get it.

Shijing do you have any new information ?

 

[shijing]

Re: Schildmann

Shijing do you have any new information ?

As a matter of fact, I just got Schildmann's book on archaic Sanskrit last week through interlibrary loan. I've been looking through it -- it's slow-going for me, because the majority of the book is in German (which I don't read, at least not very well). However, the work he's done on Indus script, as well as the scripts at Burrow's Cave and Glozel, seems consistent and may actually indicate some sort of archaic Sanskrit was used, in a telegraphic form, in these areas -- I'm slowly learning how to sound out some of the script just through the examples that are sprinkled throughout the book, but there's quite a bit of liberty taken in each instance by the individual scribes, so I'm not in a position yet to say anything with extreme confidence. From what I can tell, it also looks like Schildmann subscribed to some kind of alien overlord hypothesis.

I also got ahold of his most recent book a few weeks ago in which he compares Sumerian and Mayan, and puts forth the hypothesis that the cognates he proposes between the two represent Sumerian borrowings into Mayan. There's some interesting stuff there as well, and he relates a lot of the material to Sanskrit (or at least Indo-Aryan derivatives) at various places in the book.

I'm waiting for a copy of his co-authored book on the Indus script to arrive -- that one appears to be much more mainstream (and it's in English), and I'll report back here once I take a look at it, if there is anything interesting that can be added.

 

[Cosmos]

Re: Schildmann

Shijing do you have any new information ?

As a matter of fact, I just got Schildmann's book on archaic Sanskrit last week through interlibrary loan. I've been looking through it -- it's slow-going for me, because the majority of the book is in German (which I don't read, at least not very well). However, the work he's done on Indus script, as well as the scripts at Burrow's Cave and Glozel, seems consistent and may actually indicate some sort of archaic Sanskrit was used, in a telegraphic form, in these areas -- I'm slowly learning how to sound out some of the script just through the examples that are sprinkled throughout the book, but there's quite a bit of liberty taken in each instance by the individual scribes, so I'm not in a position yet to say anything with extreme confidence. From what I can tell, it also looks like Schildmann subscribed to some kind of alien overlord hypothesis.

I also got ahold of his most recent book a few weeks ago in which he compares Sumerian and Mayan, and puts forth the hypothesis that the cognates he proposes between the two represent Sumerian borrowings into Mayan. There's some interesting stuff there as well, and he relates a lot of the material to Sanskrit (or at least Indo-Aryan derivatives) at various places in the book.

I'm waiting for a copy of his co-authored book on the Indus script to arrive -- that one appears to be much more mainstream (and it's in English), and I'll report back here once I take a look at it, if there is anything interesting that can be added.

Als das Raumschiff 'Athena' die Erde kippte - from Kurt Schildmann, do you know how I can get this book, or a download of it? It's seems that this book is very rare.

I read a little summary about it (http://www.giordano-bruno-gesellschaft.de/mdgbg/rezensionen/alsdasraumschiff_Friedrich.htm). The conclusion of Kurt Schildmann kind of blow me away! It remembers me strong on the C's and what they told about Atlantis. A worlwide civilization that was destroyed by a big cataclysm, an extraterrestrial super civilization in possession of giant spaceships that had bases on the moon!

 

[shijing]

Re: Schildmann

Als das Raumschiff 'Athena' die Erde kippte - from Kurt Schildmann, do you know how I can get this book, or a download of it? It's seems that this book is very rare.

I'm not sure -- the copy that I got through interlibrary loan came all the way from Munchen, Germany (Bayerische Staatsbibliothek), so the fact that there were no copies available in US libraries indicates that it's pretty hard to come by. I wish I could tell you more.

I read a little summary about it (http://www.giordano-bruno-gesellschaft.de/mdgbg/rezensionen/alsdasraumschiff_Friedrich.htm). The conclusion of Kurt Schildmann kind of blow me away! It remembers me strong on the C's and what they told about Atlantis. A worlwide civilization that was destroyed by a big cataclysm, an extraterrestrial super civilization in possession of giant spaceships that had bases on the moon!

Thanks for translating that -- it tells me more about Schildmann's big picture than I already knew, even having the book (but being severely Deutsch-challenged!) :)

 

[Cosmos]

Re: Schildmann

Als das Raumschiff 'Athena' die Erde kippte - from Kurt Schildmann, do you know how I can get this book, or a download of it? It's seems that this book is very rare.

I'm not sure -- the copy that I got through interlibrary loan came all the way from Munchen, Germany (Bayerische Staatsbibliothek), so the fact that there were no copies available in US libraries indicates that it's pretty hard to come by. I wish I could tell you more.

I read a little summary about it (http://www.giordano-bruno-gesellschaft.de/mdgbg/rezensionen/alsdasraumschiff_Friedrich.htm). The conclusion of Kurt Schildmann kind of blow me away! It remembers me strong on the C's and what they told about Atlantis. A worlwide civilization that was destroyed by a big cataclysm, an extraterrestrial super civilization in possession of giant spaceships that had bases on the moon!

Thanks for translating that -- it tells me more about Schildmann's big picture than I already knew, even having the book (but being severely Deutsch-challenged!) :)

keep it going, you could find really amazing stuff.
can you scan it and send it to me?

 

[shijing]

Re: Schildmann

can you scan it and send it to me?

I unfortunately don't have access to a scanner at present -- sorry! I am planning on sending a physical copy to the chateau, if they don't have their own -- I believe Ark reads German, so they might be able to give it a look-over and catch some of the stuff in German that I'm inevitably going to miss.

 

[Cosmos]

Re: Schildmann

can you scan it and send it to me?

I unfortunately don't have access to a scanner at present -- sorry! I am planning on sending a physical copy to the chateau, if they don't have their own -- I believe Ark reads German, so they might be able to give it a look-over and catch some of the stuff in German that I'm inevitably going to miss.

That's a good idea. I think Ark was some month's in germany in the Bielefeld research center. So maybe he can read german.

but it is really sad that this book is so hard to get! :(

 

[shijing]

Re: Schildmann

Hi Pashalis --

but it is really sad that this book is so hard to get! :(

Just wanted to let you know that even though this book is hard to come by, another one that Schildmann co-authors that looks a lot easier to come by is this:

The inscriptions of the Indus civilization : texts, deciphering, contents
by Rainer Hasenpflug; Asko Parpola; Kurt Schildmann

It is more mainstream than the other one, but it looks like it still covers a lot of the same linguistic material. I can't give a personal opinion since I'm still waiting for a copy to come that I've requested, but I hope you can get ahold of it and find some interesting information in it.

 

[Cosmos]

Re: Schildmann

Hi Pashalis --

but it is really sad that this book is so hard to get! :(

Just wanted to let you know that even though this book is hard to come by, another one that Schildmann co-authors that looks a lot easier to come by is this:

The inscriptions of the Indus civilization : texts, deciphering, contents
by Rainer Hasenpflug; Asko Parpola; Kurt Schildmann

It is more mainstream than the other one, but it looks like it still covers a lot of the same linguistic material. I can't give a personal opinion since I'm still waiting for a copy to come that I've requested, but I hope you can get ahold of it and find some interesting information in it.

thank you :)

 

[Cosmos]

A new Interview on youtube with Klaus Dona 117 min long: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu7IHWKmOeEvery interesting Interview, he goes in more detail on many things !

the only problem the Interview is in german.
It starts in the beginning of the second video

The book Als das Raumschiff 'Athena' die Erde kippte - from Kurt Schildmann (100 copies printed)
I searched the Net the only copie I could find is in a german library.
Shijing a true treasure you hold in your hand :)
the information in this book should be accessible for every body

Edit: link

 

[Approaching Infinity]

A new Interview on youtube with Klaus Dona 117 min long: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mu%2C+Atlantis+und+die+Gegenwart+Teil+1.flv+&aq=f
very interesting Interview, he goes in more detail on many things !

the only problem the Interview is in german.
It starts in the beginning of the second video

The book Als das Raumschiff 'Athena' die Erde kippte - from Kurt Schildmann (100 copies printed)
I searched the Net the only copie I could find is in a german library.
Shijing a true treasure you hold in your hand :)
the information in this book should be accessible for every body

Is there any chance some German members could summarize some of the more interesting data he presents?

 

[Nawd]

Re: Schildmann

Found a PDF version of The Inscriptions of the Indus Civilization!

_http://www.indus-civilization.info/IndusInscriptionsDeciphering.pdf

Hi Pashalis --

but it is really sad that this book is so hard to get! :(

Just wanted to let you know that even though this book is hard to come by, another one that Schildmann co-authors that looks a lot easier to come by is this:

The inscriptions of the Indus civilization : texts, deciphering, contents
by Rainer Hasenpflug; Asko Parpola; Kurt Schildmann

It is more mainstream than the other one, but it looks like it still covers a lot of the same linguistic material. I can't give a personal opinion since I'm still waiting for a copy to come that I've requested, but I hope you can get ahold of it and find some interesting information in it.

thank you :)

 

[WhiteBear]

Re: Schildmann

Found a PDF version of The Inscriptions of the Indus Civilization!

_http://www.indus-civilization.info/IndusInscriptionsDeciphering.pdf

Unfortunately, it's only the first 36 pages of over 398, but it's a start :) Very interesting!

 

[Nawd]

Re: Schildmann

Opps! Well it shows I have only just started reading it!

Found a PDF version of The Inscriptions of the Indus Civilization!

_http://www.indus-civilization.info/IndusInscriptionsDeciphering.pdf

Unfortunately, it's only the first 36 pages of over 398, but it's a start :) Very interesting!

 

[Cosmos]

Re: Schildmann

Found a PDF version of The Inscriptions of the Indus Civilization!

_http://www.indus-civilization.info/IndusInscriptionsDeciphering.pdf

Hi Pashalis --

but it is really sad that this book is so hard to get! :(

Just wanted to let you know that even though this book is hard to come by, another one that Schildmann co-authors that looks a lot easier to come by is this:

The inscriptions of the Indus civilization : texts, deciphering, contents
by Rainer Hasenpflug; Asko Parpola; Kurt Schildmann

It is more mainstream than the other one, but it looks like it still covers a lot of the same linguistic material. I can't give a personal opinion since I'm still waiting for a copy to come that I've requested, but I hope you can get ahold of it and find some interesting information in it.

thank you :)

the Synopsis of that book from wikipedia:

Synopsis
(www.Indus-Civilization.info) World Novelty! One of the biggest mysteries of world history is now solved. The deciphered texts of the ancient south Asian high culture in present-day Pakistan and India from the time between 3000 and 1700 BC are available for the first time here. All of the approximately 2000 texts are arranged and analysed so that the content is now clearly understandable for everyone. The result is the complete self-description of the Indus Civilization which is also known as the Harappa Culture and the Sindhu Sarasvati Culture. The Indus Civilization is already known as the largest and one of the most developed contemporary ancient cultures - at the same level with the then Egyptian and Mesopotamian cultures. Even in some fields, like town building, it was already known as the most progressive society in the world. Its popularity has suffered until now only from the less intimate knowledge due to its unreadable inscriptions and the lack of discovered pyramids. Many attempts of deciphering had failed in the past because of several fatally incorrect prejudices and unrealistic assumptions. It has now been discovered that the system of inscribed stamps was a highly advanced national education program of high-grade, intelligent leaders. Nothing was there by chance. Not only was a system of syllabics and pictograms discovered, but also countless logical cross references like the logical connection of the texts with the accompanying pictures, the consequently followed system of symbolic numbers, metaphors, phrases, curses, etc., as well as the Indian/Persian/Indo-European religious system and Sanskrit language, the traditional values of the society whose roots go even much further back in the past, the tribal structures, the international relationships, the social and political problems in this early time, and much more. Finally the Indus Civilization is in fact shown as the mythological Vedic age. Altogether the texts are a manifest of the high intelligence of our ancestors 5000 years ago. The book is laid out in a consequential, objective, logical and scientific method, but with high-grade understandability - as the German author, a graduate engineer of town planning and architecture, is used to working. The phantastic utopias of some authors in the past are strictly rejected here by the inscriptions themselves. But the reality is much more amazing.

unfortunately this is not the book Als das Raumschiff 'Athena' die Erde kippte - from Kurt Schildmann
I'm not an expert but I think it is not the script that Kurt Schildmann translated