Knee joint injury

Thank You all for such rich set of advices. I will have to find some time to study and try some of them, they are very interesting. I've been already using magnesium malate and vitC in forms of asc.acid and sodium ascorbate. Unfortunately I dont have much options to reduce stress but that is something I will cover in other threads later, maybe.
 
I found the exact quote from the Cs:

Laura said:
Q: (L) Is it necessary for me to have surgery to fix my shoulder?

A: Be careful not to be misled.

Q: (L) Is that about the surgery?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Will my arm get well on its own?

A: Can.

Q: (J) How? (T) You ought to get a second or even a third opinion.

A: Yes. Surgery is profitable.

Q: (L) Can you recommend something that I can do other than surgery?

A: Heat therapy combined with dietary adjustment.

Q: (J) What dietary adjustments?

A: Calcium, manganese, starch cutback and potassium supplement, only use distilled water in order to flush solid obstructions!

Q: (L) Well, that is the most comprehensive piece of physical advice they have ever given. (J) No kidding.

A: You are in pain, my dear, and when you hurt, all others do too!

Q: (J) That was sweet. Moist heat or dry heat?

A: Moist?

Q: (L) Reiki?

A: Yes. When ligaments are damaged, it is often a function of calcium obstruction.

Q: (L) Is the bony prominence that shows up in the x-ray on the Coracoid prominence, a build-up against which the tissues have torn?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, it is not a broken piece, is that correct?

A: Yes.

The recommendations were intended for Laura, so naturally they may hit or miss when it comes to someone else, however the Cs conveyed the part about ligaments as a general statement.
 
Hi

Does anyone has some recommendations for knee joint injury treatment (supplements or procedures)? In my case its Anterior cruciate ligament injury that occured half year ago. I was feared of invalidism back then and was barely walked with crotches, but I did a lot of examinations and they've showed my ACL isnt totally thorn, fortunately. Physiotherapy sessions gave me back an ability to walk quite freely and even a good reason to avoid surgery, as my physiotherapists advised me. Funny thing that even orthopaedics seems a very corrupted piece of western medicine - I had to deal with many contrary opinions (i.e. absurds of orthosis use).
Hi Kosma,
I know that your post is a very old one, but nevertheless I wanted to ask you for physiotherapist recommendation, if you have any after your treatment. I am from the same area, hence I ask; now dealing with very bad knee injury and trying to figure out next steps.
Also, if you have time and will, could you elaborate on orthosis use contrary opinions? I am going to do my research about orthosis and other options, but I am particularly interested in opinion and experience of a person who already went through orthopaedic problems, especially here in Silesia.
Thank you in advance and also how is your knee after all this time?
 
Hi karo,
wow how quickly time flies...
This is the man who saved my leg:

Currently he probably owns Sports and Orthopedic Physiotherapy Center in Katowice and maybe works there. However, their website is down at the moment so you might have to confirm this information. Search engines still have contact data stored.
if you have time and will, could you elaborate on orthosis use contrary opinions? I am going to do my research about orthosis and other options, but I am particularly interested in opinion and experience of a person who already went through orthopaedic problems, especially here in Silesia.
Officially, the orthosis is recommended from the very beginning after an injury or surgery, but my physiotherapist had the opposite opinion. If I remember well (and you better confirm this with him), he stated that the healing tissue will form better when exposed to little movement than no movement at all. He even mentioned, I think, that orthoses make some sense but later, after initial healing. In any case, one should be careful.
Thank you in advance and also how is your knee after all this time?
I enjoy a fully functional knee since that time. I exercise more or less often on elliptical trainer, do squats, swim, cycle but avoid football with adults (maybe except last year, it was too tempting once ⚽ ).
I wish you good luck with figuring out what to do, back then I had a bumpy 6 months road with that, dozen of meetings with specialists and even a fixed date for surgery cancelled at the last moment but fortunately found a good solution, for which I am grateful to those posting here and to DCM.
 
I had experienced a severe injury to my left knee a few years ago similar to your injury except it was both to the LCL and MCL with acute swelling and diminished mobility do to sharp pain. Not torn severally fortunately. No longer able to ride my bike or horses or practice martial arts for over a year, and I hobbled around at work. But I was determined to heal my self, and now I'm able to normally use my knees again as before the injury.
My protocol was simple but required well over a year of daily care.
1- After an extensive rest period I began stretching my knee ligaments, starting off vary mildely for months untill I was able to tolerate fuller stretches. A chiropractor will offer sound advice on how to stretch, or at least look up knee stretches on line.But never reaching the discomfort level at first when stretching. I consider this to be vary important, and try to developer the ability to stretch beyond what was the normal range of motion. Yoga may be helpful.
2- Daily massage around the knee as often as you can to encourage blood flow to the area.
3- Acupuncture may be helpful. I have a TCM background so I practiced on my self, reducing the sever swelling. But do not try this your self, get professional help.
4- Warm Epsom salt compresses to reduce pain and inflammation.
5- Once my knee had the range of movement that took me close to a year, I then began to slowly rebuild the muscle mass in my leg with simple sustained bends, vary mild exercises at first, then working up to squats. Always mindful of my limits and only increasing weight bearing with time. But always maintaining a daily routine . Naturally ones age and physical strength will determine the time required for recovery. In addition it is advisable to continue with the exercises for both knees after recovery to prevent a relapse.
6- I used infra/far infra lights. A electro magnetic pulser. And a Teams machine a few times per week.
The advice the other members have offered is in addition sound advice that I was also mindful of.
But the best advice I may offer is to have a strong determination to heal oneself, the mind is the most effective healer that can guide all other protocols. I know this to be true because I have done so my whole life, and this will can be used to heal others, and animals as well, for starters.
We all have this ability, if connected! And practice improves proficiency.
Now, I am somewhat reluctant to offer any healing advice openly, but gladly describe what has worked for me, that others may think about and understand.
The vary best of luck.
 
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I had experienced a severe injury to my left knee a few years ago similar to your injury except it was both to the LCL and MCL with acute swelling and diminished mobility do to sharp pain. Not torn severally fortunately. No longer able to ride my bike or horses or practice martial arts for over a year, and I hobbled around at work. But I was determined to heal my self, and now I'm able to normally use my knees again as before the injury.
My protocol was simple but required well over a year of daily care.
1- After an extensive rest period I began stretching my knee ligaments, starting off vary mildely for months untill I was able to tolerate fuller stretches. A chiropractor will offer sound advice on how to stretch, or at least look up knee stretches on line.But never reaching the discomfort level at first when stretching. I consider this to be vary important, and try to developer the ability to stretch beyond what was the normal range of motion. Yoga may be helpful.
2- Daily massage around the knee as often as you can to encourage blood flow to the area.
3- Acupuncture may be helpful. I have a TCM background so I practiced on my self, reducing the sever swelling. But do not try this your self, get professional help.
4- Warm Epsom salt compresses to reduce pain and inflammation.
5- Once my knee had the range of movement that took me close to a year, I then began to slowly rebuild the muscle mass in my leg with simple sustained bends, vary mild exercises at first, then working up to squats. Always mindful of my limits and only increasing weight bearing with time. But always maintaining a daily routine . Naturally ones age and physical strength will determine the time required for recovery. In addition it is advisable to continue with the exercises for both knees after recovery to prevent a relapse.
6- I used infra/far infra lights. A electro magnetic pulser. And a Teams machine a few times per week.
The advice the other members have offered is in addition sound advice that I was also mindful of.
But the best advice I may offer is to have a strong determination to heal oneself, the mind is the most effective healer that can guide all other protocols. I know this to be true because I have done so my whole life, and this will can be used to heal others, and animals as well, for starters.
We all have this ability, if connected! And practice improves proficiency.
Now, I am somewhat reluctant to offer any healing advice openly, but gladly describe what has worked for me, that others may think about and understand.
The vary best of luck.
My spelling was terrible.
TENS not team.
Magnetic pulser not elec/mag
And a few more misspellings. 🙃
 
Thank you @Kosma for such quick response! I have a completely different problem, and I am trying to orient myself where to go and what to do, but I think I'll be needing procedure or surgery anyway.

Orthesis seems counter-intuitive, I've got prescription for one and with that some injections for preventing blood clothes etc. There is great polish physiotherapist Marek Purczyński and he explained well that no-movement is worst then small movements because muscles get to atrophy when not used etc., but maybe there are occasions when it is helpful, as you described. It all depends from context, as with everything.

I am glad your knee is well, I love the stories of people healing injuries :)

also @ivanb your story is great and gives hope, thanks for sharing your journey.
 
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