"Kurdistan" becoming a reality?!

Joe said:
Things have changed a lot over the past 5 months, and a lot has been revealed. It seems that the US' "plan b" (or whatever letter they are on now) is to use the kurdish aspiration for a homeland to achieve what they could not achieve through the overthrow of Assad. In short, the idea of a "kurdistan" across northern Syria is a very bad idea, a hopeless one really, although you never know how far the US will push their agenda. The plan seems to be to push for the creation of a "kurdistan" across all of northern Syria in the hope of 'hooking up' with Kurds both in south central Turkey and northern Iraq (where a lot of Iraq's oil is).

The idea seems to be to create a US-compliant state through which Iraqi oil in the north can be shipped to the Med. Obviously Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran would all be against this idea (not to mention Russia). The US' immediate way to enforce this seems to be by "embedding" US troops with YPG forces in Northern Syria, warning the Syrian airforce (and by implications the Russians) that, should they attack these forces they would risk US retaliation. Basically, it's the US' attempt at a 'no fly' zone.

I don't get US logic. It's basically a return to outright invasion and belligerence like Iraq in 2003. Even if the UN or security council has little power to stop the US, there should be at least some condemnation coming from somewhere. I haven't heard much from Russia on this count, but they're not ones to react mindlessly.
 
whitecoast said:
I don't get US logic. It's basically a return to outright invasion and belligerence like Iraq in 2003. Even if the UN or security council has little power to stop the US, there should be at least come condemnation coming from somewhere. I haven't heard much from Russia on this count, but they're not ones to react mindlessly.

One thing of which I have to continually remind myself, is that war is an end in itself for those who profit from it. For every missile or bullet fired or bomb dropped, the (inflated) $$ value of that ordnance is channeled directly from the taxpayer to major "defense" contractors and, indirectly, to their politician friends who sign off on the war/invasions that facilitate the dropping of bombs etc. It's nice little racket they've had going for centuries.

So there is really is NO incentive for countries like the USA to stop 'having a war', and lots to keep them going, at almost any cost (or any cost they can keep hidden). Even clearly losing (and losing face repeatedly) as the USA has done spectacularly in Syria, and having no rational political or strategic reason to have a presence there, they keep on keeping on anyway. Because it's all about personal greed in the end, and not ideology, ideology is just for bamboozling the peoples so they don't see the truth.
 
What strikes me is the opinion of the western people about what is really happening.

I mean, the picture of McCain with the rebels should had been enough for the people to say "hey, stop! something is wrong; let's stop the process and have a look at the situation".

But then, nothing really happened. Worse, we even saw "french soldiers in Lybia", "british troops in Syria", just name it, and these were really kind of "glitches".

But, even with these glitches of non-welcomed intrusions, it kept going on, without excuse or explanation (and even..maybe ... stopping it and backing up). I really dislike this spotted psychopath attitude, because they would not show any sign of dignity. It's like they'd rather tend to convey us to "No, it didn't happen! Nothing happened! Forget it."

Hopefully, when the hypocrisy reaches an outrageous point, I am rather happy to see mainstream economist and political analyzers taking position and saying that "we have a problem there".

I thank you for your objectivity.

The idea of "freedom fighters" takes a different perspective for me now; this is maybe way too romantic.
 
Joe said:
whitecoast said:
I don't get US logic. It's basically a return to outright invasion and belligerence like Iraq in 2003. Even if the UN or security council has little power to stop the US, there should be at least come condemnation coming from somewhere. I haven't heard much from Russia on this count, but they're not ones to react mindlessly.

One thing of which I have to continually remind myself, is that war is an end in itself for those who profit from it. For every missile or bullet fired or bomb dropped, the (inflated) $$ value of that ordnance is channeled directly from the taxpayer to major "defense" contractors and, indirectly, to their politician friends who sign off on the war/invasions that facilitate the dropping of bombs etc. It's nice little racket they've had going for centuries.

So there is really is NO incentive for countries like the USA to stop 'having a war', and lots to keep them going, at almost any cost (or any cost they can keep hidden). Even clearly losing (and losing face repeatedly) as the USA has done spectacularly in Syria, and having no rational political or strategic reason to have a presence there, they keep on keeping on anyway. Because it's all about personal greed in the end, and not ideology, ideology is just for bamboozling the peoples so they don't see the truth.

This makes me wish they went forward with project bluebeam instead of cold war 2.0. If military-industrial complex fat cats could get rich off firing high-tech fireworks against UFO holograms in the upper atmosphere and lower orbit, maybe the Syrians and Libyans could get on with their lives? :rolleyes:
 
There is a very recent article on SOTT on the topic :
_https://www.sott.net/article/326203-Turkish-tanks-cross-Syrian-border-in-military-op-to-retake-city-of-Jarablus-from-ISIS-with-US-air-support-UPDATES

The following tweet shows what appears to be the turkish flag and the terrorist flag together :
_https://twitter.com/barzaniso/status/769960745282994176

The following one is suggesting as well :
_https://twitter.com/barzaniso/status/769953382975016961
 
RT are reporting that later today, three Kurdish areas in northern Syria on the border of Turkey are going to declare what will effectively be Kurdistan, to be named, The Federation of Northern Syria.

:clap:


The Mesopotamians. The free children/people of the free mountains.
We drank their water, ate their food, shared their soup from the same bowl.

We played chess, checkers, and backgammon with them.

Gaddafi said that they, like the Arabs, would take their place in the Middle Eastern sky and have their own free countries.

(My country's former leaders have a tent memory with Gaddafi, I should find it and add it)

In my country (not all, but some groups), they are nomadic agricultural workers. They eat only bulgur and bread. They live in tents.

They are ignored. There is no social security. Even their wages may not meet legal standards.


Still, I would prefer a world where there are no borders or countries, where the free and noble children of the mountains can live.

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Note: royal is not a good translation for asil.

In its true sense, the word asil is translated as royale
 
Gaddafi said that they, like the Arabs, would take their place in the Middle Eastern sky and have their own free countries.

(My country's former leaders have a tent memory with Gaddafi, I should find it and add it)

Gaddafi made predictions with the certainty of a prophet. I am not sure of the exact wording but I got the link and I am sharing it as promised.

In 1996, Gaddafi told two Turkish officials, one of whom would later serve as president and the other as deputy prime minister, the following in his tent in Libya. It's not right to say he told me. Gaddafi would turn to them and scold them.

Kaddafi: “Oldum olası merak etmişimdir. Şu gökkubbenin altında, neden bir Kürt Devleti bulunmuyor?”

(Gaddafi: "I have always wondered. Why is there not a Kurdish state under that sky?")

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

In Libya, something happened in front of all of us. That was the famous “humiliation” in the tent, Gaddafi's humiliation. The incident is as follows: October 6, we are waiting; we have settled in a hotel and we are going to meet with Gaddafi. It is not known where and how we will meet. Because Gaddafi is a politician who hides his whereabouts because he is under constant threat. Let's say to protect himself from attacks from the West, the US and other places. On October 6, 1996, we set off in the afternoon. First we boarded an airplane, we went by plane, and then we traveled through the desert in buses with the headlights turned off. Apart from journalists, there were many business people. They wanted to witness this event with great curiosity and excitement. Because Gaddafi was an important figure in his own right and we went. First a dinner in a huge tent. Before dinner, Gaddafi called us journalists. So I was able to go up to Gaddafi. His face was strange. Like the faces of old people in paintings, with lines and lines... He was very impressive, of course, and he had an interpreter with him. A Turkish translator. He said “welcome” to us briefly, on his feet, together with Erbakan. He said very good, beautiful words. Then we had dinner in a big tent and after dinner Erbakan and Gaddafi will retire for a meeting.


Normally this event, the protocol is as follows: They meet, after the meeting they come out and make a statement to the press together. But something interesting happened here. Gaddafi called us journalists before the meeting. We were surprised, especially my colleagues who were more experienced, they said, “Oh my God,” and I don't forget, we asked Hasan Hüseyin Ceylan, who was an Ankara MP at the time and one of the closest people to Erbakan, “Hasan Hüseyin Bey, what's going on?” He said: "Look how much Gaddafi loves our Hodja. Just before we meet, he will call you and show you how much he loves and respects him." And Gaddafi said those words: "I have always been curious. Why is there not a Kurdish state under this firmament?" He started off with very harsh criticisms and accusations against the Ottoman Empire, the Republic of Turkey... and we witnessed a diplomatic scandal. I will never forget, Abdullah Gül was the Minister of State at the time. He left the tent in silence. Then, after that introduction, they went back to the tent for a private meeting, and we were left outside, stunned. Some people said: “Could the translator have made a mistake?” and so on. Of course this was recorded. Gaddafi's words were recorded. There, on the spot, people who knew Arabic listened and said that there was no mistake in the translation. We were shocked.

It was a huge scandal. Of course, this scandal was something that those who were uncomfortable with Erbakan and who were uncomfortable with the Welfareyol government were looking for and couldn't find. In other words, from the perspective of “Erbakan disgraced us in a Bedouin tent”... Many people were surprised, but many people were actually pleased. I see that some of those people are now very supportive of the AKP government. There are some journalists. But they were very happy about it. Then there was the next day. The next day was very strange. Because there were meetings between delegations and a joint statement was to be prepared. It couldn't be prepared, it took hours. There were obviously huge discussions going on. After that big scandal... But of course, there is also a completely different aspect of the job, one that has to do with journalism and again with fake news. Here's the thing: All this is happening in the desert, late in the evening, and after the big shock, of course journalists want to report it. We all want to, but how do we do it? There is no internet. There is no reception, etc... Finally they said: “Let's go to the hotel, let's take care of ourselves there”. We arrived at the hotel, it was very late. It was past midnight, and finally an agreement was reached:
"In the morning, everyone should sit down, write the news and pass it on. So that no one can dodge anyone." Okay, that's done. I didn't have much to do with the incident anyway, because I am an external employee of ATV. It was more of a matter that concerned the newspapers. It was not possible for televisions to broadcast at that time. But then, when we woke up in the morning after that exhaustion, we learned that the whole of Turkey was shaken by this scandal. Then the truth of the matter came out. Milliyet newspaper made a lightning raid in Istanbul in the morning. They printed a few thousand newspapers. But these newspapers - they were very widespread in those days; they still are, but they were much more widespread then - were read on the radio, on all the radios. Of course, it was a big event, a big scandal, and the whole of Turkey became aware of it through Milliyet newspaper. Of course, the Milliyet newspaper outsmarted everyone. There was Fikret Bila, the Ankara representative at Milliyet newspaper at the time. He did it. Derya Sazak was the editor-in-chief. Of course, this confused a lot of things there.

 
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