Loki TV series

Bluegazer

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The mercurial villain Loki resumes his role as the God of Mischief in a new series that takes place after the events of “Avengers: Endgame.”

I recently started watching this TV series. Already in the first two episodes it gives a particularly interesting content. I will try not to give spoilers although I think it will be a bit difficult because there are very interesting if not important points already in only two episodes.

In short, the character of Loki in this series is the result of a temporal variation that should not exist. These variations are hunted down and apprehended by an organisation known as the Time Variance Authority. In the first chapter, they explain that this bureaucratic agency was created because "many years ago there was an extensive multiversal war, where countless unique timelines fought each other for supremacy and the war nearly resulted in the total destruction of everything," according to the Time Variation Authority Narrative Commission, quoted in Chapter 1 of Loki.

It was then that the Guardians of Time emerged, who brought peace to the multi-universe by reorganising everything into a single timeline, which is known or called the Sacred Timeline.
"Since then, the Guardians of Time protect and preserve the correct flow of time for everyone and everything. However, at times, there are those who deviate from the path created by the Guardians, they are called Variants".

Up to this point it seems like just another series about time travel and parallel universes, until you start paying attention to the dialogue and the beginning of a philosophical/metaphysical talk between Loki's character and Agent Moebius (yes, pun intended).

One of the first things one notices is Loki referring to these cosmic guardians of time as "lizards". The other thing is the philosophical debate regarding the existence or non-existence of free will.


I think something is being presented to us literally here, considering the exchange of information with the C's, the transcripts, the timelines/universes and how the lizzies have manipulated time.

It's impossible not to draw certain parallels....

What do you think?
 
I think something is being presented to us literally here, considering the exchange of information with the C's, the transcripts, the timelines/universes and how the lizzies have manipulated time.

Hi Bluegazer,

What do you think is being presented? I tend not to trust Disney almost by default, but who knows, I'd be interested in knowing what your thoughts are.
 
Hi Bluegazer,

What do you think is being presented? I tend not to trust Disney almost by default, but who knows, I'd be interested in knowing what your thoughts are.

Well, it's only two episodes so far, and there is no more information about it. But the thing is when you compare the material from the transcripts with some parts of the plot/script of this series.

What I want to point out is that the series presents two ideas. One relate the idea of temporal branches that bifurcate into other universes because of the choices that individuals make by their free will. The individuals that generate these alternative lines are the variations and are hunted and captured. In the series they show that when a variation is captured, this agency corrects the bifurcation, eliminating it, literally. The other idea or concept is that the "sacred timeline" somehow nullifies free will by creating a singular timeline controlled by an unknown entity but is introduced by using the humor that these are "lizards". Everything that happens in the "sacred timeline" is dictated by these entities. (a.k.a matrix)

Then one sees that information that we already know here in the forum is exposed. And that somehow this series picks up. It's not about trusting disney, it's about this "coincidence" (and no, it's not a coincidence) of concepts, and where it leads us.

Just check the forum topics and how here we talk fluently about changes in the timeline and that leads to another universe / reality.

But you have to watch the first two episodes to get a better idea.

For example at one point agent moebius tells loki that time is different in TVA. And it itself is presented as a gigantic underground base (4th density maybe?).

In another moment loki is asked if he is an organic being or a robot and if he has a soul! (organic portal?) And they make him go through a detector and take a kind of kirlian photograph. Loki asks what it is and they tell him that it is his temporal aura.

Look: Loki - S01E01 - Glorious Purpose [Transcript] - Scraps from the loft

Please confirm to your knowledge that you are not a fully robotic being, were born an organic creature, and do in fact possess what many cultures would call a soul.


What? “To my knowledge”?


Do a lot of people not know if they’re robots?


Thank you for confirming. Move through.


(MACHINE PULSATING)


What if I was a robot and I didn’t know it?


The machine would melt you from the inside out.


Please move along, sir.


Okay, I’m not a robot, so I’ll be fine.


(HUMMING)


What?


LOKI: Oh, what’s that?


Your temporal aura.


What’s that?


Please, through the door.
 
Just an idea, which can be actually close to what really happens. We do know that writers do research and always look for all kind of ideas and inspiration materials for the plot. So it's quite possible that in their research they would find sites or books that talk about these topics, and using exact same words. Heck, it's not totally impossible that they could even stumble upon Cassiopaea site.

Meaning, that it is most probably the other way around. It's not that they try to "send a message" or "disclose secret truths through the plot", but that they use various materials that could be valid in some way for the plot.

It is Disney after all. ;-) That's my personal take anyway.
 
Thanks Bluegazer,

That's an interesting take, I suppose we shall wait and see how the series develops, I might start watching it.

Another possibility is that the information of being an experiment of being capable of traveling through time to "correct" events and ensure that it all goes according to their plans, is part of this collective unconscious, or somewhere in the information field and the writers, perhaps unaware, picked up on some information that they somehow knew would resonate with the majority of people.

Perhaps they simply set out to write a time traveling story and the ideas that flowed to them were the ones most likely to describe our current state. And as I was typing this, I was reminded of the following which I guess would be a factor to consider.

Q: (T) Is there any significance to the ID4 movie?

A: Sure.

Q: (L) What was the primary intention of the makers of this movie? The primary message that they attempted to convey?

A: Infuse thinking patterns with [planchette swirled a few times here] concept of aliens.

Q: (L) They intended to infuse thinking patterns with concept of aliens... was there any particular slant on aliens, per se, that was seen as desirable in the making of this movie?

A: Slant?

Q: (L) Slant, in other words, did they wish to present them inaccurately to confuse people, to present them as something to be feared and fought against, or to make them appear so completely erroneous, so that when actual aliens do appear, that they will not be perceived as negative?

A: Infuse.

Q: (L) Infuse. Just the concept, the concept of aliens in general. OK...

A: Part of a larger project.

Q: (L) And what is this project?

A: Called "Project Awaken."

Q: (L) And who is behind, or in charge of, this project?

A: Many.

Q: (L) Who are the primary group, groups or individuals? I'm sure you're not going to give us individuals, but just the grouping.

A: Thor's Pantheum.

Q: (L) And what is Thor's Pantheum?

A: Subselect trainees for transfer of enlightenment frequency graduation.

Q: (L) What is enlightenment frequency graduation?

A: Think!

Q: (L) Enlightenment frequency graduation... so, subselect trainees...

A: Self explanatory.

Q: (L) Well, is this group STS or STO?

A: Both.

Q: (L) OK... (T) Are they working at cross purposes?

A: No.

Q: (T) They're working together? Bipartisan?

A: No.

Q: (J) Are they aware of each other? Working on this?

A: Yes.

Q: (J) Are they screwing each other up? (L) No, that's going in the wrong direction...

A: There is more to all of this than you could dream.

Q: (T) There's more to all of this...were you referring to... Who are they? Thor's Pantheum. And they're subselect trainees...That's the group behind this movie; OK...

A: An army of Aryan psychic projectors.

Q: (T) Well, that explains a lot more than Thor's Pantheum of subselect trainees! An army of psychic projectors. (L) And what do they project?

A: Themselves... Right in to one's head.

Q: (T) Into one's head... this is better than 'Must See TV!' (L) Project right into one's head... is anybody subject to this projecting?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And, when they project themselves right into someone's head, what does that someone perceive?

A: Inspiration.

Q: (L) Inspiration to what, or to do what?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Yes? To do what, to do something?

A: And...

Q: (L) To do something, and to understand or perceive something, is that it?

A: Yes.

Q: (J) To believe something? (L) Yes. So, how many are in this army?

A: 1.6 million.

Q: (L) When they're doing this projecting into someone's head, where are they projecting from?

A: Mostly subterranean.

Q: (L) Subterranean, so these are the people of the tunnels, the underground bases and all that sort of thing. Are they 3rd or 4th density beings?

A: Both.

Q: (T) Let me back up to a question here. If they can do all this projecting on their own, what was the point of the movie?

A: No, you misunderstand... This is an intense activity, directed towards influencing the high level creative forces.

Q: (T) Projected against? Because this movie, if you've been following the reviews and the people talking about it, this movie has had more repeat business than any movie in years and years and years and years. People have seen it ten and twenty times! (L) Was there something subliminal in the movie? That opened something? (J) That's a good question!

A: Sure.

Q: (L) And was this subliminal activity with the movie designed to create an opening for this further...

A: Not for you, but for others.

Q: (L) Why? Do you mean me, personally, or us as a group? (T) Well the movie didn't affect me.

A: Group.

Q: (L) What made us immune?

A: You already have the knowledge.

Q: (T) The movie wasn't meant for us; we already know. The movie was meant for all of those who don't understand.

A: Say hello to Gene Roddenberry.

Q: (L) Is Gene Roddenberry present?

A: No.

Q: (L) In other words, say hello to him because he was doing that sort of thing a long time ago?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is Gene Roddenberry one of these people from Thor's Pantheon...

A: No.

Q: (L) Why did you bring up Gene Roddenberry? (J) Because he was doing it in Star Trek?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) He was doing a whole different thing with Star Trek... (L) Well, let’s not get too far off track...

A: It's not the exact "Slant," it's "the concept, stupid."

Q: (T) Well ,they don't have to get insulting here! (L) They weren't. Ok...

A: "Its the economy, stupid."

Q: (J) We knew that!! (T) I was just teasing. Mirth!! Mirth! (L) Hold everything. When you say influencing high level creative forces, do you mean as in gathering, what would you call it, gravity waves...

A: No.

Q: (L) What are these high level creative forces that are needing to be influenced, or desirable of being influenced?

A: Those in the creative arts.

Q: (L) So in other words, I see, this group is using their projecting ability to influence those in the creative arts to do creative things that will therefore influence the people on the planet. Is that it?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And, these individuals are in the underground tunnels, and you say that they are both STS and STO.

A: We did not specify "tunnels," you did.

Q: (T) They said... how did they put that? Subterranean... (J) Mostly subterranean.(T) ... Underground. In other words, underground, as in resistance fighters type underground, underground as in ...

A: No.

Q: (T) Not fighters, but the idea that they are part of the underground movement? (L) Subterranean as in literally under the ground?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) OK, but not tunnels, then what?

A: We did not say "no tunnels" either.

Q: (L) Are these individuals living... I know we said the tunnels...

A: The point is: what happens when you assume?

Q: (L) We won't assume. Are there any specific things about this movie other than the general import of opening to the idea of aliens...

A: No.

Q: (L) So there's no specific thing that we can pin down in this movie, and say that this might be an accurate representation of anything? It was just entertainment for that purpose?

A: Enough about the movie, already!

Q: (T) But they were the ones who brought it up! (L) Well, yes, but maybe they want us to get on to the subject of this 'Thor's Pantheon' thing? (T) Well, I want to make sure that we're not missing something... (T) So, we're looking at some Aryan psychic projectors who are trying to stimulate people in a positive way, a la Gene Roddenberry... (L) Now, that's an assumption. Can we say that they are stimulating people in a positive way?

A: Maybe.

Q: (J) Can we say that they are stimulating people in a negative way?

A: Maybe.

Q: (L) So, there's probably a little of both. And you say that we are immune to it because we already have knowledge. Now, when you say we have knowledge, do you mean just knowledge in particular about aliens and alien realities and alien potentials and so forth?

A: Yes.
 
One of the first things one notices is Loki referring to these cosmic guardians of time as "lizards".
I don't know that this is necessarily about Hollywood putting some truth into fiction. A big part of the inspiration for the series is the Marvel comics which Loki and the TVA appear. In the comics, which were mainly put out in the 80's, the Time Keepers are alien in appearance with green skin and yellow eyes. I don't think it's much of a stretch to have Loki refer to them as lizards, especially considering the glib, sarcastic nature of Loki's character.
 
I watched the first two episodes. It just picks up where the Avengers left off with Loki escaping with the cube thing. (Tesseract) Reasonably entertaining. No major 'truth' reveals. Just concepts that have been used before...
 
The “time police” aspect of this series seems very similar to author Jodi Taylor’s excellent Chronicles of St Mary’s sci-fi series. There is so much similarity there, I had to gasp when Loki, at one point in Episode Two, remarks something ending with “Just one damned thing after another,” which is the title of her first book in the series! Could that be a nod by the writers to this uncredited author?
 
Yeah, this one did strike me too. Lizard beeings "guarding our timeline" :) Thats a strange coincidence.

But i have to say i really like the first two episodes so far.

Thanks Bluegazer,

That's an interesting take, I suppose we shall wait and see how the series develops, I might start watching it.

Another possibility is that the information of being an experiment of being capable of traveling through time to "correct" events and ensure that it all goes according to their plans, is part of this collective unconscious, or somewhere in the information field and the writers, perhaps unaware, picked up on some information that they somehow knew would resonate with the majority of people.

Perhaps they simply set out to write a time traveling story and the ideas that flowed to them were the ones most likely to describe our current state. And as I was typing this, I was reminded of the following which I guess would be a factor to consider.

Well, this is more in tune with what I want to express. It's not just about greater revealed truths or previously used concepts, just that and as I mentioned earlier that discussing something as important as free will and that time is manipulated making us prisoners of that flow of time (linear of course!) comes to the core of what we are facing in the real world.

With all the political, economic events, the pandemic, the great reset I perceive as well as other users here have mentioned, these last two years are testing us to determine if we can finally see and separate the lie from the truth and which option we choose. What universe are we going to create? Right now perhaps there are conflicting universes, colliding with each other, an STO universe or an STS universe? Other users have said that more and more you can feel the separation, those who follow the pandemic narrative and therefore obedient to authority and those who do not.

But it is not only that, when one really thinks about it and examines the question of variants. If we in the real world, right here in the forum assume that our own existence is multidimensional, then it makes sense that we have variants and they are the result of our choices. To me this is not trivial, and that the subject is exposed even with the bias of entertainment really sends a signal to the unprepared, a signal that can trigger an eye-opener.

One thing is pocket ufology in the msm, in science fiction, and another thing is to present a real philosophical and metaphysical discussion within it, getting to the central point that concerns us as a species.

Somehow I think people are being told, even in the guise of entertainment, what only this group (and others maybe) has dared to discuss for some time now...
 
We're just waiting to see if the show gets better. (me and a cook I work with)

Wanda Vision was good. Started slow and then turned into something really interesting.

When i first watched the first episode of wanda vision i didnt really liked it. I watched it again and the rest of the season. Exceptional series.
 
When i first watched the first episode of wanda vision i didnt really liked it. I watched it again and the rest of the season. Exceptional series.
I thought the same, very nice exploration of the desire to not accept reality as it is
 
Well, the big reveal in episode 3 is that the TVA people are just like us: variants, so their job is to keep “the sacred timeline” just like a consensus algorithm in blockchain, after all.

If was to take a wild guess, probably the Time Keepers (mocked as 'lizards' by Loki in the first episode) don’t even exist… or have no role in the timeline business anymore. Judging by the touchy-feely mood of this episode, the whole series could be just a quest for self-discovery and self-realization that the sacred timeline is the best possible line of existence, and Loki/s might have a change of heart till the end, to protect the timeline and the TVA rather than mess with them.🤔
 
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