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societe humaine

societe humaine

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Hello everyone,

We {my wife, four children and I} really could use a little help. I'm starting to feel a little lost, I used to just feel alone apart from when reading the comments at SOTT, but I fear our current difficulties are putting rather a lot of strain on our lives. For some background, my introduction is here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,36959.0.html

Please believe me when I declare that I also have much to give and share; and if any of you can find it in your heart to help, I will sooner be in a position to do so. Right now I must put my children first and beg for your help.

I really need legal representation here in France. I have now two procedures running concurrently, one correctional for causing outrage to a person charged with a public mission, for which I could face the maximum term of six years; the other civil trying to prevent the Regime Social des Independents from taking our house.

Please, does anyone know of a good human rights lawyer in France, or for that matter Europe, as I want to fight, resist, push back harder. I am even prepared to take this to the European court of Human rights if I can find some decent professional help. I have tried a local advocat, but he seems to have no interest in finding justice done.

This is a copy of an email to Joe with the salient information of the correctional case, which arose from the flames of my civil case:

Hi Joe, and thank you so much for your reply.

You've obviously read my message to Laura, so you have a little background, there is more in my post on page two of the newbie section still awaiting approval; I don't knw if you have seen that, I can copy and paste it into another email if you would like. With that in mind, I'll try to keep this just about the facts pertaining to my immediate situation.

I am facing a tribunal correctionel for causing outrage to a person charged with a public mission. the maximum terms for which, as explained very carefully by the gendarmes, is six years prison ferme and a 7500€ fine. Now I'm convinced that I'll be getting nothing like that, but with the animosity I am recieving from the justice system and the forces of order here, I am genuinly scared that an example might be made of me.

To cut a very long story short enough for half an hour away from my new baby on a sunday afternoon, it all starts with a dispute between the RSI {regime soicial des independents} and my enterprise individuel. After professional accountants hired by me utterly failed to make contact at all with said regime, i found myself being persued by them and the huissiers for a sum of 37000€. While trying to depose some papers with the secretary a polite dispute started with regard to translation services and the right to be understood by the tribunal. The secretary, in a state of dispair, asked me why i moved to France. This is a question that I would have loved to answer in great depth, but I read her depseration as exasperation and frustration at not being able to understand my argument, so i asked her if she had a problem with me being english. At this, she flew into a rage, demanded that i leave immediately and in my storming out of the office, she feels i did enough to cause outrage.

During my three hour interrogation by the police I was coerced and menaced into giving them enough information for a prosecution - the officer telephoned the procurer immediately upon seeing my signature on the testimony and recieved in seconds the date for prosecution, nowhere near enough time for the procurer to hear any of the pages of mitigating circumstances offered.

So there we are. I want to stay and fight. I insulted france, the secretary took that as a personal outrage. i want to do my bit, where i can, to expose the authoritarian followers. My wife, understandably, won't let me without some serious help. I know there was a case that went before the european court of human rights that overturned a conviction of a guy holding a "caisse toi pauvre con" at a sarkozy gathering.

At the moment we are also putting in a back up plan of relocation. Any ideas?

anyway, family becons. Please help me find my way.

All the best to you and yours,

jeff and family
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I'll be translating this request to the French site too, provided I can log in there, haven't tried before.

All advice most welcome, and thanks for listening,

Jeff
 
societe humaine, because I am on the other side of the world I can't be much use, I just wanted you to know that I thought about you and that I hope you can stay strong through this testing time.
One question springs to mind: Do you have dual Nationality, or are you a naturalised French citizen? I'm wondering if they can deport you.
 
I'm really sorry to hear about the difficulties that you, your wife, and your four kids are facing against the belligerence of the bureaucracy. :phaser:


I wish I could have some advice to offer you, aside from doing EE to help with the stress, but I don't. All I can think to say is that I hope your situation improves and that you find the help you need. In any case you took a great first step by coming forward to speak up and talk about your difficulties. Hopefully someone else with good advice will chime in. :hug2:
 
I don't know much about the RSI, but I listened once a cast with Pierre Jovanovic inviting Claude Reichman, specialist on that subject.
_http://rim951.fr/?p=2840
They mention its coordinates that you could use to contact him to have some responses to your problems.
 
Music man, having been here five years trouble free, I have the same rights as a French citizen. Legally I guess I am still a subject of the Queen until I take on another nationality or citizenship. I think I would have to cause a serious public order offence to be deported. Leaving voluntarily is still an option.

Whitecoat, I never thought an emoticon could bring a tear to my eye. Thank you.

Thank you for that link Heaalih, I'll have a listen when I can.

Jeff
 
I can't offer you any advice, but just know that I'm thinking of you and your family and hoping things get better. :hug2:
 
societe humaine said:
Please, does anyone know of a good human rights lawyer in France, or for that matter Europe, as I want to fight, resist, push back harder. I am even prepared to take this to the European court of Human rights if I can find some decent professional help. I have tried a local advocat, but he seems to have no interest in finding justice done.
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Hello,

I'm french. Do you know the Lecoq Vallon & Ferron Poloni law firm ? They may help you because they are specialized in the defense of private heritage. Your case is not exactly their core skill but it is very close. Please check their website here :

_http://lecoqvallonferonpoloni.com/

(I'm not advertising. I do not have any interests at all in this firm).

If you allow me to add sthg, but i'm pretty sure you already know it : in France, you can legally leave RSI (and all the URSSAF) and subscribe to private competitors, as explained by Claude Reichman (_http://www.claudereichman.com/mlps.htm). Do NOT do it ! You risk a 15000€ fine and 1 year behind bars, as explained here (_http://bfmbusiness.bfmtv.com/emploi/quitter-la-secu-ce-sera-un-an--842728.html). The reason is that the french government would lose really much money if the URSSAF racketeering stopped.

I wish you well in your fight.
 
societe humaine,

I don't have any legal advice but know I'm thinking of you, your family and your home. I hope that you find the connections you need to protect yourself and your loved ones as best you may. Good fortune my friend. :)
 
Thank you AJ, much appreciated, my better half and I are getting on better every hug I get. It truly is amazing the enormous effect, even the smallest gesture can have.

Shinzenbi, no I haven't heard of them, but will research first thing in the morning.

I listened to Reichmans radio interview; and while I found his economic critique of the RSI fascinating, the silver bullet is one I find hard to swallow. The fact that they are in a kind of technical limbo, which disallows them from having any jurisdictional title, is one that won't gain any traction. Remember the EDF last year, being busted by the european commission for charging customers a renewable energy tax in contravention of free trade laws? Did we get our money back?

I did think he raised more interesting points regarding possible legal contests on the contract level, such as their being 4.4 claimants for every 1 payant; there are laws that forbid unfulfillable contracts and unfair contracts. One thing that I have discovered is that the RSI needs immediate destruction, I never knew how bad it was. I know they have tried as hard as possible to do nothing about the inevitable destruction of my life by this raketeering, but to see it on such a large scale. I mean, do they have one happy customer. The RSI needs immediate destruction, there is no reason we could not go into the "free market" for the services they provide; or even start to work out ways we can all benefit from these services by providing them ourselves.

thanks again to all so far, good leads for professional help and lots of good online resources.

jeff

thank you pegasus, I'm making a good start.
 
I don't know if it is possible for you, but to avoid the services of the RSI in the future, maybe you could study the possibility of create a cooperative (SCOP) : there is some specificities about the governance, but the main interest here is that everybody, even the boss, is salaried, so with the standard social protections which is more efficient, such as "Securité sociale", retreat...
You just need to be at least two persons.
 
Wow, I'm sorry to hear what you and yours are going through. You may have been out of line with your comment, but this reaction seems way out of proportion. Is "causing outrage to a person charged with a public mission" an actual legal charge in France? That seems bizarre. I mean, maybe I can understand protections designed to allow officials to do their jobs, but shouldn't they also be able to handle their emotions in a responsible fashion? That would be a different reality, I guess... :mad:

It sounds like you're working hard at figuring this out, so hopefully with whatever assistance others can provide here, you'll find a way through this.

Best wishes! :boat: :hug2:
 
Hi Jeff,

I am so sorry to hear about your ordeal! Jeez, it really appears that there is absolutely no freedom of speech or the right to express oneself in France, and especially if there are cultural differences which are then seen to cause offense when none was intended.

I too am on the other side of the planet, so I can't offer help or advice. I do feel for you and the family-it's a massive burden when there are beloved children in tow. I hope some of our French peeps can point you in the right direction. Would the British consulate be of any help a as resource?

Hope things get better for you Jeff, please take care and keep us posted. :hug2: :hug2:
 
I might also add that perhaps asking the mods to change the title of your post to something a bit more urgent such as "In dire straits, urgent help required!" might get some more replies and preferably from some of our forum members from France. As it stands, it simply sounds like you want to connect with like-minded people just for a chat. Just a thought ;)
 
Thanks How to be & Arwenn, keep them hugs coming, they are providing the most immediate support.

Arwenn, France is really lost with no compass at the moment, power plays amongst the Elites; fear, confusion, frustration and hate amongst the masses. Short term I at least I have a direction to head in my battles with the R.S.I. {social tax collectors} and I have accepted that there is reason to everything, so I must take my next lesson and learn from it. It has been very hard on all of us recently, but we are living proof that love is more powerful that hate and apathy.

I've been wanting to fight against the machine for a long time now, but have been struggling to decide how. I know we all have to do what we can as individuals, but I can't help thinking that, that is exactly what "they" want, classic divide and conquer but on the minutest scale. When I think of all the decent men and their families that have gone through the same mill, I can't help but think that with one voice in unison, we could achieve more. At least with the just found resources, I should at least be able to improve my chances in my family's battle.

I see your point re the title. I've been thinking for a long while now to start a blog/online resource for practical living under the Iron Heel; a kind of ongoing, constantly updating diary of how to's. Can real compassionate human beings actually function side by side with the spellbound, and how the hell do we do it. I know, one man can not have all the answers, but one man can make a start at least. I'm going to try to get my first post together with everything I've been writing about my current predicament, as an example of what to do, or not as the case may be.

All the best to everyone,

jeff
 
As I said on your other thread, you need a lawyer and plan to return to UK or both. It passes my understanding that you would undertake to live in France, KNOW the laws, and then deliberately violate them. Nothing like shooting yourself in the foot when you have others depending on you. Study the topic of External Considering.
 
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