M Armstrong on Economy

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This is an interesting read. M Armstrong looks at the economy form a more esoteric level, 5th dimensions, time cycles and so forth.

Just so you know, this is more on him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_A._Armstrong

He writes his papers from in Jail, and swears by his innocence and that he was illegally locked up because he would not provide his models the the CIA, instead creating a self destructing computer if they were ever hacked.

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I thought these passages within Understanding the Real Economy was interesting in regards to the 309,000 year period of the grand cycle as asserted by the C's. He also seems to vaguely touch on the existence of both a long and short wave cycle as well.:


The Economic Confidence Model that I discovered back in the 1970's was not based on any particular market or economy. It was devised by taking a list of world panics in the economy irrespective of where they began, utilizing a list of 26 events between 1683 and 1907. It was by dividing 26 into the 224 year time period that produced the basic frequency of 8.615384615. Like Adam Smith, I sat out upon a course of observation to try to understand what made a cycle even exist. Through the course of my studies of the past and observations of the present, I came to realize that the observations uncovered a rich and dynamic structure of interactivity between mankind himself, as well as nature from weather to earthquakes. IN short, what scientists were just then discovering with the aid of computers that could do millions of calculations impossible by hand, that the image of chaos has been completely altered. What may appear to be chaos, is in reality, only complex interaction that can be observed by only pealing back layers upon layers like an onion.....

The onion is indeed complex. We need to construct this in our mind's-eye in the proper form and then we should be able to suddenly see like Neo in the Matrix the layers of code that lie hidden behind the image. It is true that some say we cannot see the forest for the trees. It is true that we can be so focused on a minute detail that we cannot see the whole picture.

When we take a walk, we cannot see the Earth is a globe. We have the sense that it is mostly flat, aide from the contours of hills and valleys. Western culture I believes provides a very narrow form of education that limits our ability to truly innovate and expand in knowledge. The book style learning often becomes man's best way of perpetuating his mistakes forever.

Western culture wants to reduce everything to a linear equation that results in black and white answers. We want to blame everything on one person, one sector, and often one reason. We ignore the inter-connectivity and dynamic structure of life that offers so much if we would just embrace it.

Sometimes we need to observe things at the minute level such as in quantum mechanics. But that does not mean we also ignore the life-sized world or the grand world of the universe. We need to understand what is taking place on all levels of activity and there are times that the countless variables that are taking place between so many individuals, between so many different markets, and then so many different national agendas, that the effects combined produce a lessor complex nature as we move up in time layers.

For example, there is a 8.6 day, week, month, quarter, year, decade, century, and even a millennium layer of time. There are derivatives of time that create different effects still grouped in 8.6 in intervals. However, the most significant seems to take place on what I would call the Generational Level of time, a group of 6 waves of 8.6 years that forms the major wave structure of 51.6 years. It is at this level where the extraordinary complexity on smaller levels combines to create major trends between Public and Private Confidence Waves. Groups of 6 waves of 51.6 start to cause the rise and fall of nations.

The Public v Private aspect is present at all levels of time. It is at times like a child who runs back and forth between two parents to obtain the desired result. We can observe this phenomenon currently between Public and Private swings even on the monthly and yearly level of the 8.6 year waves.....

We must understand that looking down upon the economic structure from high above, we can reduce it at times to a single trend. However, to create that trend is truly a synchronization of tens of thousands of individual facts that are individually created by combination of another layer of thousands of different stimuli......

Now that we understand that what makes one economy boom against all others, or a particular sector within an economy because Capital Concentrates, now we can look at the Economic Confidence Model with the proper perspective. This is a global model of economic activity that highlights this raw fact that man will speculate no matter what and that creates the Capital Concentration. The Economic Confidence Model gives us the perspective of short-term business cycle movements at the 8.615384615 year level, but this frequency moved both up and down in time in layers like an onion. It builds into groups of 6 waves forming a 51.6 year major cyclical wave where confidence between the people and the state alternate at the generational level. This builds into 6 waves again of 51.6 years into 309.6 year waves upon which nations rise and fall.
 
I'd like to share some of my findings that someone may find profitable, but it goes beyond money I think.

I'm fascinated by Marting Armtrong's work. This guy is a genius, I highly recommend "The Forecaster" 2014 movie about him. Morover, I think his theories are collinear with knowledge of our community and messages given by C's. He bases everything on waves and Quantum mechanics and perhaps due to this his Economic Confidence Model, currently implemented in the form of AI program, is right since 1980's!

This year is very special, we had a major financial crisis too - but everything is on schedule of ECM. I'm not going to describe how it works, anyone interested to study this topic can find all details on MA website. However I'd like to present an example with some analogy - a prediction that currently is colinear with ECM and also might show how fractal can be used in real life .

The DJI stock market index bottomed on March 23 (MA warned about this event ahead of time in Jan and Feb) and went up to temporary high last week. Now everything points that it will go down, even to a new low in October this year. (by the way: this timing might also be used as opportunity to put more pressure againt Trump in the time of elections by PTB).

We might be experience similar pattern as in 1929, see below.

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If we take a ratio of time when market was going from crucial highs to lows, the schedule goes as follows:
Sept 1929-Nov 1929 <= 75 days => March 23-June 12 2020
Nov1929-Apr1930 <= 154 days => June12 2020 - October10 2020
and so forth.
So obviously there is a lot of money to earn ( 300% or more? ) until October with very little risk if someone gives it a try :cool2:

But what is more important that all these predictions (I'd rather say: without human bias - precisely calculated consequences) simply describe reality that one can either accepts or collide in to it like a wall. Everything repeats and thus MA presents very intereseting research, examples: cycles of war (prediction of War in North Korea around Sempteber this year), cycles of disease (a real pandemia in 2022), cycle of wheat market (sharp rise in wheat price on 2024).

Personally, I belive his reasearch gives important clues about timing (on current branch of reality where we are) of important changes in the upcoming years, that C's were often singaling with "wait and see".

To all the questions about high up the fractal structure can be defined, here is the Economic Confidence Model at the very high end. We are in the grand Public Wave overall that peaks in 2032,85. This is the equivalent of the wave that picked the Peak of Rome in 175AD. So here too this is a wave where government will fight very hard to hold control for that is the dominant 309.6 character, while the final wave on the next fractal level is a Private Wave of 51.6 years. This is the people fighting back as they lose confidence in government. The two forces are at war right now. The worse things become, the more authoritarian government will become. Each wave of 8.6 also alters back and forth between Public and Private.

This is why I warn it is time to try to reduce the amplitude by waking up. We achieved this briefly with the Age of Enlightenment. Government then fought back and reclaimed control. We replaced monarchy with ministers. Nothing changed otherwise. We will fight the good fight once again and seek to triumph with a new age of Enlightenment. Will we win? Who knows. But we have to try. What comes after 2032 is a private wave – the opportunity to reclaim our liberty once again.
from: The Major Fractal Wave of the Economic Confidence Model & 2032.95 | Armstrong Economics
 
What he's selling primarily is his artificial intelligence program called Socrates. He says he doesn't make any predictions. Instead, he says Socrates makes all the predictions for him. This is dangerous territory that can easily result in manipulation of Socrates and thus manipulation of the predictions.

Another problem is that his predictions are not actionable in real time. It's always in hindsight that something is clear. For example, the Economic Confidence Model date of January 18, 2020, was a hit, being the first top of a double top before the March crash. However, in real time, he didn't know what was the significance of January 18, 2020, and his best guess in real time was impeachment. If his predictions were as accurate and useful as advertised, he would be a billionaire.

Some previous discussion about him.
 
I've posted on that thread too. Strongly disagree. In fact he has a very long and proven track record.

The date of January 18 was about markets in generall, there was other important index that peaked pricesely with the day (I will try to find what it was)- any way, he warned in November 2019 about 20% correction, expecting these forecasts to be it as accurate as to the day and specific financial instrument may be measleading. It's like disregarding 95% of truth and focus on the rest - it's impossible to find anyone who would be more accurate and share that.

It's true - I see it too - that as he reads the output of Socrates he often tries to match events that may generate forecasted numbers (and there are often more reasons then a man can imagine), but this is his personal opinion and he also admits that he will always lose with Socrates.

And surely he could have as much money as he would like, he wrote a few times about that. They are running their biggest advertisment business in the world for years without even need to advertise anyway.
 
Kosma, while Armstrong was in prison and putting out reports a very respected person in the gold industry named Jim Sinclair supported him and may have helped get him out of prison. Sinclair is pretty famous for calling the top in gold in the early 80's and then again saying 10 years before it did that gold would hit $1600 or so dollars in the 2000's. He was actually accurate on the call to within a couple months and I think a few dollars. After release from prison Armstrong changed his tune on gold and seemed to stab Sinclair in the back. Who really knows why the change of heart, but one can wonder if this and later his denial of the manipulation of the markets might have been a condition of his release. He could also be doing something for TPTB, since it does seem like he is very intelligent, etc. This is 8-9 years ago, so it is hard to remember all the details and I couldn't easily find a write up of all the details on the internet.

For the next few years there was some back and forth between the two parties and some things written on Sinclair's website detailing Armstrong's negative thoughts of gold, possibly trying to rewrite the history of what happened with gold, and a denial by Armstrong of the manipulation of markets. I haven't looked at either Armstrong's or Sinclair's thoughts for a number of years, but I personally would be wary of taking Armstrong at face value and intent. It has been well documented over the last 10 years or so that pretty much all markets are manipulated and controlled.

Here are a few things about the back and forth and disagreement:




 
Who really knows why the change of heart, but one can wonder if this and later his denial of the manipulation of the markets might have been a condition of his release. He could also be doing something for TPTB, since it does seem like he is very intelligent, etc.
I haven't looked at either Armstrong's or Sinclair's thoughts for a number of years, but I personally would be wary of taking Armstrong at face value and intent.
You put a lot of accusations toward Armstrong based on suppositions only. I respect him as a human for what he has been through, however it’s his work and a will to share it openly is the most noble thing.

It has been well documented over the last 10 years or so that pretty much all markets are manipulated and controlled.
To what extent its possible to alter economy to one wishes? If you push in one place it will pop elsewhere( AI may detect this) , even PTB need to respect some objective reality. Socrates interconnects all factors and proves itself on the regular basis.
Does Sinclair provide accurate and self-proving analyses on current economic trends in economy – not just single market like gold? Didnt hear much about him but so far it looks for me like he only reaps some fruits of distant past succeses, which were based on uknown methodology/idea or simply beacause of speculation. Meanwhile we have ability to study and verify Armstrong’s work to the very details and check if reality behaves according to what Socrates puts out. As a science fan, I read his publication for a quite bit of time and can’t find much against his work, meanwhile being often suprised by accuracy of these predictions. Surely he often tries to extend Socrates output with his opinions and this is the way how he makes mistakes as a human.

On the side note againts gold-preaching: if remember correcytly even C’s didnt recommend to rely much on gold in one session, just „small amounts of silver” as I recall.
 
You put a lot of accusations toward Armstrong based on suppositions only. I respect him as a human for what he has been through, however it’s his work and a will to share it openly is the most noble thing.

I could be wrong, but I don't see them as accusations. Just thoughts in terms of possibilities for why he had a change of heart in terms of Sinclair and thoughts in terms of gold and market manipulation. Granted there could be many reasons for this. I was just raising what came to mind then and now for why he might appear to treat those who appeared to be trying to help him in what appeared to be in a poor fashion.

If you want to share his work, sounds good to me, but I have no interest in it and would add that I was giving background in terms of Armstrong that isn't very easy to piece together on the internet 8-9 years after the fact. I figure it is a good idea to have that data, since you like his system, etc. Take what I said for what its worth and go digging for yourself, if you want.

Does Sinclair provide accurate and self-proving analyses on current economic trends in economy – not just single market like gold?

He has delved into other areas than gold, but since after the 2008 financial crisis or so he and the person he works with, Bill Holter, have not been accurate as far as I can tell (and I stopped following closely in about 2017 or so), since they were and have been calling for the financial and economic systems to fail in an obvious way for a long time.
 
I could be wrong, but I don't see them as accusations.
Maybe I should use word "suspicions" then.

I'm open for critics, that's why I decided to post about it. I want to stay vigilant as I hope indeed his life goal is to expose manipulations behind the scenes with unbiased system.

I figure it is a good idea to have that data, since you like his system, etc. Take what I said for what its worth and go digging for yourself, if you want.
Surely it is, thanks for the opinion. I will check in future time what picture his adversary was trying to paint. So far I didnt find any matters which Armstrong would be avoiding to comment.

Hope I dont sound to harsh, a lot of English practice still ahead of me ;-)
 
Hello again.
I regret a bit putting here some investing incentives. I've oversimplified too much a complex knowledge I've had that time, hope no one got burned if followed these suggestions. I think I've also made a proper decision to start a thread here amongst experienced Members instead of making some misunderstandings in public forum.

some clarifications at first:
The date of January 18 was about markets in generall, there was other important index that peaked pricesely with the day (I will try to find what it was)
It was Russel2000 - index consisting of bigger number of companies thus being more respondent to US economy in general and less susceptible to manipulation of individual sectors of economy

(prediction of War in North Korea around Sempteber this year)
My mistake, its scallar representation of time: 2020.92 => that is 0.92*365 days, ergo: beginning of December 2020 as potential timing of war



As for the example pattern I've presented in the firs post - I do not want to dive into technicals, but at the beginning of July it became clear that in markets we are witnessing so called "inversion cycle" casus. So instead of a decline into September during summer, one should expect a rise (in that period only!), what did happen. Regardless of that, the main forecast remains ongoing. Last Wednesday 3rd September the markets formed the high, similar as on 3rd September 1929, followed by a crash on Thursday. Martin's models was suggesting a crash on days ahead, he also made a note ahead of time ( e.g.: PRIVATE BLOG – NASDAQ A High in the Forming? | Armstrong Economics ). So we are indeed heading to a new lows in Autumn from now.

That should be all from me with regards to market analysis and technicals, as my intention starting this thread was to focus on M.A. insights into possible future outcomes of events. As I’ve mentioned I still see striking collinearity of his insights with opinions and knowledge from this forum and SOTT publications. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if Martin was even associated somehow with our Community. Nevertheless I admit I still havent studied Sinclair-Armstrong background yet. Searching for traps, perhaps there is a possibility that MA could be forced by PTB to appear and act wisely to discract those wanting a real change – just my small speculation for a purpose of counterpoise.

Ok as promised I’d like to share some piece of MA work, here is recent post with regards to incoming months. Please do not copy this information elsewhere:

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More on the Great Reset plans (I may provide those in-text links if someone is interested in references):
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