Marlyn Manson concert

[andi]

Hello,
Just yesterday I went to see the Marlyn Manson show here in Montreal QC Canada and contrary to my expectations , I enjoyed it a lot.
I am not a rock fan , I got the ticket as a present so I went.
What was really curious was the SMOKE . It was held inside so there were tons of smoke.
What was stange about the smoke, I thought, was the unusual calm sensation ; rather too calm for a crazy rock show like this one. And it wasn't just me but from what I could observe
, almost everybody was way too calm.

Have any of you remarked anythig similar ? ,I suspected there was some chimical compaund in the smoke to prevent people from going over the normal limit.

In any case , I was death for 3 hours and got a lot of stress out ; screaming definitly did it for me.... :)

 

[knowledge_of_self]

Hello,
Just yesterday I went to see the Marlyn Manson show here in Montreal QC Canada and contrary to my expectations , I enjoyed it a lot.

Personally speaking here, I really hate Marilyn Manson. I find him to be the epitome of STS music and very vile. I never really liked rock or metal but I came to that conclusion about him in the 90’s when I heard the rumour that he threw puppies into the crowd at one of his concerts and asked people to tare them apart before he started the show. Most people say that’s a rumour, but I don’t know, that guy seems capable of anything.

I am not a rock fan , I got the ticket as a present so I went.

If someone paid me money, I wouldn't go see Marilyn Manson in concert. lol

What was really curious was the SMOKE . It was held inside so there were tons of smoke.
What was stange about the smoke, I thought, was the unusual calm sensation ; rather too calm for a crazy rock show like this one. And it wasn't just me but from what I could observe
, almost everybody was way too calm.

I’m not really surprised at this. There is a lot of chemicals involved in concert smoke. I used to dance on stage, and I remember that the smoke would make me dizzy. Anyway I wouldn’t be surprised if the producers of his show put something in the smoke to get the crowd at certain mind set.. like alpha state, so that they are more easily mind-programmed.

That’s my take on it

 

[de-tached]

As a Marilyn Manson fan for over a decade (not just as a musician but as fine artist, cinematographer, and philosopher), he's really very soft-spoken and intelligent in his personal interviews. Here are some of his interview quotes: http://thinkexist.com/quotes/marilyn_manson/

"Marilyn Manson" is an act, a performance art (which has gotten more mainstream and emo as of late... eh... I prefer Antichrist Superstar and Golden Age of Grotesque.) which is meant to be a reflection of the "darker" aspects of humanity; the things psychologically conditioned (parental, cultural, etc) in most people in the world, like aggression, ego, dominance, sexual perversion, addiction, etc... But it's presented in such a dramatic intensity that it often encourages release, rebellion, and personal "freedom" to express yourself as needed- away from an unthinking, assimilated culture- and feel comfortable being "outcast" (even if there are trendy goth cultures).

It preaches whatever you read in to it, because, as most things do, it serves as a mirror. Yes, there is suggestive subject matter, but weak-minded suggestive people will derive insinuation from any source that serves their desires... If someone says "This music made me want to kill, the seed was already planted. They simply related to the music because it illustrates the STS characteristics of the social circumstance in which it was created and is related to.

Like most music, it serves as a cathartic release which is why most people like heavy music.

"I never really liked rock or metal but I came to that conclusion about him in the 90’s when I heard the rumour..."

As a general rule in my own life to observe it more objectively, I feel it's best to never jump to conclusions over a rumor or preconceived notions based on discrepancy of musical tastes... Research the artist and read the lyrics to derive the meaning and intent.

As for the smoke... hard to say. Either people were smoking up, like most rock venues... or they were just in awe at the presentation... and in that arena, he never disappoints. :)
He doesn't throw puppies

 

[Turgon]

I saw Manson when he came to Toronto last week, and I personally didn't like the show at all. I'm not sure what part smoke played in my behaviour there, but I was fairly subdued, but I believe that was in part to not enjoying the music or the act he portrayed. I found it lacked in a certain 'feel' or 'emotion' that would cause me to really enjoy the show. I actually started to feel depressed just being there, and the next day I was totally drained of energy, even though I went to bed at a decent time and got a full nights sleep.

"Marilyn Manson" is an act, a performance art (which has gotten more mainstream and emo as of late... eh... I prefer Antichrist Superstar and Golden Age of Grotesque.) which is meant to be a reflection of the "darker" aspects of humanity; the things psychologically conditioned (parental, cultural, etc) in most people in the world, like aggression, ego, dominance, sexual perversion, addiction, etc... But it's presented in such a dramatic intensity that it often encourages release, rebellion, and personal "freedom" to express yourself as needed- away from an unthinking, assimilated culture- and feel comfortable being "outcast" (even if there are trendy goth cultures).

The funny thing is, Manson has fully adopted this character as his own. I have a Spin Magazine article with him, and he never leaves him home without the whole make-up, wardrobe, etc, and sleeps during the daytime, and is awake during the night-time. He drinks absynthe every night in order to help him write music (which from my subjective standpoint, is NOT helping him write better music), so he really is 'living' that whole dark, vampiric persona. Also, drug use is a constant with him.

So, I would definitely agree that it is a reflection of the darker aspects of humanity. But from what I garnered from going to the show, was that certain fans worship him for it, in which case, aren't they worshipping the darker aspects of humanity? I have hung out and spent a lot time with the 'outcasts' that are trying to move away from assimilated culture, as I was, and still somewhat are involved in the Brampton music scene, and from what I can see, it's still the same type of mentality as everyone else. The only difference is maybe they dress differently, or have more tattoo's, or they hate consumerism or the Gov't, or refuse to get a job in order to be a 'sheep', but the conformity still exists, just in another form. Whether it be drugs, alcohol, sex, I still see the hierarchy and the feeding that occurs. I don't see the attainment of 'personal freedom' occurring, just the exchange of one prison for another.

 

[Adaryn]

Whether it be drugs, alcohol, sex, I still see the hierarchy and the feeding that occurs. I don't see the attainment of 'personal freedom' occurring, just the exchange of one prison for another.

I totally agree. Besides, this type of crowd is heavily focused on appearance, like spending 3 hours to get dressed and do their hair and make-up. How much time does it leave for learning about themselves, our reality and how to really get free? Even though they look "different" and want to shock, they're just as conformist as Joe 6-pack

 

[Gawan]

Hello,
Just yesterday I went to see the Marlyn Manson show here in Montreal QC Canada and contrary to my expectations , I enjoyed it a lot.

Personally speaking here, I really hate Marilyn Manson. I find him to be the epitome of STS music and very vile. I never really liked rock or metal but I came to that conclusion about him in the 90’s when I heard the rumour that he threw puppies into the crowd at one of his concerts and asked people to tare them apart before he started the show. Most people say that’s a rumour, but I don’t know, that guy seems capable of anything.

I agree with you. There are many other rumours about him: masturbation on stage and fascination for Nazism. Okay these are just rumours again.
Well, I don't know I just find him sick in my opinion.

 

[Smallwood]

I listened to his music for about two years. I still like some of his songs, but to tell you the truth, he is a rather disturbing individual. Too fond of nazism he seems to be.

This is an interesting article about him. I can't vouch for it's objectivity, but it does have a point:

_http://raumfahrer.wordpress.com/manson/

 

[Beau]

He is essentially the creation of Trent Reznor. Manson's first two albums were produced by Reznor and he signed them to his label, basically putting them on the map in the music business. I remember listening to Antichrist Superstar a lot when I was much younger, and when I saw him live earlier this decade I thought it was pretty good, nothing shocking occurred on stage and he did have some pretty strong anti-government lyrics, which of course at the time I liked! I think since then his music was steadily deteriorated and perhaps this is why he is resorting to such "shock techniques" on stage.

 

[IronFloyd]

I don´t like Marilyn Manson, but maybe I like two or three very specific things that are related to their inspiration in Alejandro Jodorowsky.

However I believe that if we hated him a lot, probably because something within us in this connection is not 100% resolved ... as a reflection of our own darkness.

The animal is just false information. He is an unsettling, baffling and strange, a mystery for me that otherwise that honestly does not interest me so much to solve, but his performance is strong and in that sense somewhat interesting and original proposal.

 

[Nook]

Well, he certainly is, or at least seems to be a very smart individual.

His intent on the other hand to me is much more of a secret. Whether he really wants to hold a mirror or he wants to promote the STS choice over STO, the result seems to be the same. People, his fans worship him and that is not at all what holding a mirror is.
Although there might be people who see through his lyrics, his words and can either think that it's a mirror or they listen to him to separate information from disinformation. I don't really know.

I used to listen to a couple of his songs and even until this day, if I'm in the mood for some 'dark' music, I might put him on.

And about the rumors, I really don't think anyone should see more into these than what they are. Rumors. I even heard that he had surgically removed his bottom ribs so that he can orally please himself.
I see him as a smart person who's twisted a little bit and he chose to express his thought wrapped in this form, which is probably just the way to get promotion. All this dark theme and controversies and rumors are there to keep him in the spotlight. And it works.

But I don't see the intent behind it. He said in interviews that he is holding a mirror and this theme is just his way of expressing these thought but how can we be sure?

 

[Mountain Crown]

If Manson is really offering a mirror, I doubt it’s in the sense used here. Mirrors are tools of vanity as well, however twisted a vanity it may be.

Idol worship is extreme identification, so very little if any truth would be available to the fans. It’s all about feeding.

[quote author=Nook]He said in interviews that he is holding a mirror and this theme is just his way of expressing these thought but how can we be sure?[/quote]

You may find it helpful to search the forum and related sites for the term FRV, and Dave McGowan’s Laurel Canyon series, on the SOTT page.

 

[andi]

I think it is easy to judge a person like Manson or any other ; it is much harder to understand why he acts a certain way compared to another. We don't know much about Manson except for the rumors witch are always a distorted version of reality.
If you choose to listen to his music because it brings to the surface something you may want to heal or something you need , then listening to sts music for a desired and specific outcome can't be bad as long as you stay aware.
I personally don't see a problem in listening to his music , it is more like an advantage to obeserve his behaviors to better understand the nature of his being.

Like all stage artists (imo) he is feeding on the enegry of the public . Can you imagine all that energy going towards his ego , is like having 1000 burgers for lunch. With that many burgers comming every day for so many years , it is not difficult to drift into wicked directions.

 

[CorkyC]

We don't know much about Manson except for the rumors witch are always a distorted version of reality.

He's written an autobiography called the Long Hard Road Out of Hell if anyone is interested in hearing it from the horse's mouth. I remember reading it a long time ago, and there was a lot of nasty stuff in there. I did feel like I came away from the book with a better understanding of him though.

He is essentially the creation of Trent Reznor. Manson's first two albums were produced by Reznor and he signed them to his label, basically putting them on the map in the music business.

That book was actually the reason him and Reznor parted ways. He told a really foul story about some antics between the two of them and a stripper. Very unsavory. Reznor was none too pleased to have that kind of information made public.

He drinks absynthe every night in order to help him write music (which from my subjective standpoint, is NOT helping him write better music), so he really is 'living' that whole dark, vampiric persona. Also, drug use is a constant with him.

This doesn't surprise me at all. But just look at the difference between Manson and Reznor SINCE they've broken contact. Reznor has given up drugs and alcohol, was getting married last time I checked, and is just buff as can be (seriously, what IS he doing?) :D And he's been making some of the best music of his career.

(As an aside, I went to see Nine Inch Nails a few years ago and I managed to lob a copy of Political Ponerology up on stage. I don't know if he ever got it or not, but it felt like something to do at the time. I bet some roadie ended up with it...) :P

 

[Franco]

Hello,
Just yesterday I went to see the Marlyn Manson show here in Montreal QC Canada and contrary to my expectations , I enjoyed it a lot.

Personally speaking here, I really hate Marilyn Manson. I find him to be the epitome of STS music and very vile. I never really liked rock or metal but I came to that conclusion about him in the 90’s when I heard the rumour that he threw puppies into the crowd at one of his concerts and asked people to tare them apart before he started the show. Most people say that’s a rumour, but I don’t know, that guy seems capable of anything.

I am not a rock fan , I got the ticket as a present so I went.

If someone paid me money, I wouldn't go see Marilyn Manson in concert. lol

What was really curious was the SMOKE . It was held inside so there were tons of smoke.
What was stange about the smoke, I thought, was the unusual calm sensation ; rather too calm for a crazy rock show like this one. And it wasn't just me but from what I could observe
, almost everybody was way too calm.

I’m not really surprised at this. There is a lot of chemicals involved in concert smoke. I used to dance on stage, and I remember that the smoke would make me dizzy. Anyway I wouldn’t be surprised if the producers of his show put something in the smoke to get the crowd at certain mind set.. like alpha state, so that they are more easily mind-programmed.

That’s my take on it

He's a performer first, he does have some decent messages about society but it may not come out in his music that well.

He definitely goes for shock value over everything and he's clearly angry for not being accepted into society and has no problem telling others.

Rather watch an interview with him to see the real him, he's quite intelligent.

I only really liked one of his albums too which he did with Trent Reznor and thats mostly when i was a teen anger.

Good music for angry teens i guess.

 

[Nook]

If Manson is really offering a mirror, I doubt it’s in the sense used here. Mirrors are tools of vanity as well, however twisted a vanity it may be.

Idol worship is extreme identification, so very little if any truth would be available to the fans. It’s all about feeding.

[quote author=Nook]He said in interviews that he is holding a mirror and this theme is just his way of expressing these thought but how can we be sure?

You may find it helpful to search the forum and related sites for the term FRV, and Dave McGowan’s Laurel Canyon series, on the SOTT page.


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Thank you, MC. Will do.