Mastercard, Visa, Wikileaks and wonders..

[Steve M.]

It's hard to suggest an article when I'm not bringing one to the table here. I'm suggesting though that something could be written about it.

I'm trying to get my mind around what is going on in the Visa/Mastercard hack info that is making its way around the net about wikileaks hacking.

There have been articles pointing out wikileaks as taking down visa and mastercard temporarily. These articles appear to be bastardizing wikileaks. I don't think this is good news. I think innocent people are being blamed for something the government/s is/are doing. It doesn't make a bit of sense to hack mastercard or visa, unless you're trying to make wikileaks look like political and financial terrorists. So maybe I'm not seeing things as they Are and was hoping someone with a better idea (or less limited view) could offer their take on things.

My apologies if this isn't a good place for this. My thought in posting this here is that maybe data could be brought to light that might show the why yes and why no, these credit card companies were (supposedly) compromised by so called wikileaks crusaders. I haven't seen proof. Did they leave a big logo with Visa/MC? They don't seem to be creating proof (cause: wikileaks crusaders), just here say.
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Here are some snippets that bring a clearer light on what I'm talking about:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_wikileaks_cyberwarfare_amateur
Targets have included MasterCard, Visa and a Swiss bank. All blocked payments to Wikileaks on apparent U.S. pressure.
Swedish prosecutors behind Assange's arrest in London for extradition and questioning over sex charges were also hit. Some Wikileaks supporters view the charges are politically motivated.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/MasterCard-Visa-WikiLeaks-4Chan-Anonymous,news-9288.html
CNet reports that MasterCard's website was either offline or extremely slow to load earlier today and Ping requests to the site were also timing out. MasterCard has told the BBC that the site is not down, just experiencing extremely heavy traffic.
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Again, I just don't understand how this would be productive in helping Assange. Personally I think both sides are being played by the big players. If the economy nose dives (which it already is, but), they can point a finger at Wikileaks instead of those who are really at the helm of driving down the economy. Maybe the PTB are cringing right now, afraid of confrontation with the likes of China/Russia, so they are backing out (and economically collapsing) and creating someone to point the finger at when things get real bad (not that things aren't already bad for a lot of people).

Anyhow I can't pretend to have a good idea about all of this, I don't. But this has been itching away at my mind a bit. The following may be difficult to grasp but I feel the need to ask: Are we witnessing "the oldest trick in the book?" I'm reminded of the movie revolver, where the trick is (in chess terms) to lead your opponent to believe he took the pieces you fed him. ...

I personally don't see how a person, if wikileaks is professional, would consider hacking financial institutions in the name of wikileaks. Sure I don't want Assange arrested (too late) and prosecuted, but wouldn't it be wiser not to bastardize him and work with the courts, protests, action committees and get involved vs. making wikileaks appear as a form of financial terrorism?

Hopefully I was clear enough to get the point(s) across of the many questions I have about this.

Edit(s): Clarity. Also the idea comes to mind; if he is jailed, he's likely being interrogated, and may already be compromised in terms of being conditioned. That is if he is on the up and up in the first place.

Any thoughts?

 

[truth seeker]

My current take on the hackers drama is that one of the reasons it's being done is in order to pave the way for legislation that would instill further crackdowns on internet freedoms. Another reason would be to make it further possible for the ptb to inject chaos into the current economic situation. If we think of it in terms of who benefits with regards to control, we need to look at the bigger picture.

They seem to have placed Assange in the interesting position of being viewed as either an enemy/instigator and friend/victim. Both positions can be used for the benefit of ptb depending upon who is doing the viewing. It's not so different to me in the way STS works in general with how "they" coerce people into making a choice based upon the perceived options.

If we take the advice that is usually given in these situations - which is to notice it and keep our eye on the goal, I think we should be okay. I think that's what Sott did this week - to basically say, "We're not playing." "We're not choosing either of the so called options but instead are making our own decisions."

The people behind the hacker story are the same that are usually behind other information given to us. The trick is to not get too caught up in figuring out who's on what side, that may or may not become clearer with time. Just try and see it from the perspective of who has what to gain. Hope that helps a bit. :)

 

[jhonny]

My current take on the hackers drama is that one of the reasons it's being done is in order to pave the way for legislation that would instill further crackdowns on internet freedoms.

You're right, truth seeker, especially considering that some time has been talking about Internet freedoms ..... coincidence? let's see what will happen

 

[Steve M.]

Hi Truth Seeker,

Thanks for your feedback it is very much appreciated and it is Very Helpful. I agree with your observation about how the SOTT's has chosen to view the issue, vs. being drawn into it. It does seem to be the proper way to view it, while awaiting more data. For me, I find myself going back to emotional thinking, who are these perpetrators, let's get'm ((let')us, being myself and my legion of I's)! That's pretty much my usual recycled reaction. In this case though I think I'm getting a good lesson in waiting for more information, cause I'm stuck in an idle between (at least on the public side) who's who? THANKS! :)

 

[truth seeker]

Hi Truth Seeker,

Thanks for your feedback it is very much appreciated and it is Very Helpful. I agree with your observation about how the SOTT's has chosen to view the issue, vs. being drawn into it. It does seem to be the proper way to view it, while awaiting more data. For me, I find myself going back to emotional thinking, who are these perpetrators, let's get'm ((let')us, being myself and my legion of I's)! That's pretty much my usual recycled reaction. In this case though I think I'm getting a good lesson in waiting for more information, cause I'm stuck in an idle between (at least on the public side) who's who? THANKS! :)

Yep. I know how you feel! I also find myself getting caught up in wanting to know exactly how the whole thing will play out. One possible positive way to look at it may be to keep in mind the wishful thinking that is the hallmark of pathology. Amazing things can still happen due to their consistent ability to be shortsighted.