Mayan Cosmology, Cataclysms and The Underworld

Jtucker

Jedi
I've spent quite a bit of time over the past twenty years trying to make some sense out of the ancient Mayan world that appears to have been almost completely abandoned sometime in 8th or 9th centuries. My feeling that this dating is probably skewed by our own western timeline assumptions, and I wouldn't be surprised if the abandonment date is much closer to the end of the Roman Empire under Justinian in the 6th century.

Mayan cosmology is elusively weird to the western mind and I believe, intrinsically hyper-dimensional. I've never found anything quite like it.

Luckily, it is one of the best preserved ancient systems available to decipher and we have the advantage that there aren't numerous "re-inventions" of the past like European history where we have to peel back the layers of forgeries and interpolations. Mayan glyphs, frescoes and artifacts all exist in droves and many excellent researchers have made headway deciphering them. The Mayans that "remained" in the Yucatan after the so-called "collapse" also have a rich memory of their past and haven't been as subjected to "modern thought reform" as much as many other traditional societies.

I can't say I've figured out anything concrete, so this isn't a thesis per se, but rather some connected dots utilizing Younger Dryas research, Pierre's excellent work on Comets and the Human Cosmic Connection (which is a main theme in Mayan cosmology) as well as some old sessions for from the C's.

I'll start with the C's sessions that dealt with Maya world.

From December 10, 1994:

Q: (L) What happened to the Mayans?

A: Taken by Lizard beings to cosmos in 4 D "Lizzieland."

Q: (L) What did they do with them there?


A: Many possibilities.

These answers are both fascinating and elusively opaque.

I haven't discovered anything in research that points to a specific world equating to our understanding of "Lizzieland", but Mayan cosmology definitely has a "Starry World" and an "Underground World" that are separate realms from surface earth. The Starry World doesn't seem to be a physically inhabited realm, but the Underground world seems to be a place that can be at least "semi-physically" visited and some times permanently. As I'll try to show later on in this thread, many aspects of this Underground world parallel our sparse understanding of the breakaway Atlantean underground world that contains Hyper-dimensional qualities.

This is an image from Palenque that the Ancient Alien dudes like to speculate as the Mayan King Pakal flying a space ship. From the context and the more mainstream research, this is more likely a depiction of a trip to the Underworld.

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Palenque, Chiapas:

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From the February 25, 1995 Session:

Q: (BP) Were the Mayans an STS civilization?

A: No.

Q: (BP) Why did they engage in human sacrifice and so forth?

A: They did not.

Q: (BP) They did not?! (L) I think that's an archaeological fallacy. (TM) Yes. (BP) Isn't that fascinating!


The answer that Mayans weren't an STS civilization is a little confusing. Aren't we all in an STS realm? As for the human sacrifice, I would have to agree that the evidence is pretty weak. Although at Chichen Itza, there is some evidence. But this is a very late city in their history with much northern influence from Mexico. Also, the human sacrifice-type remains that have been found could have easily happened long after the city's main period in a following "Dark Age" after the abandonment. However, ritual self-bloodletting was a big part of the elite ceremonies and is depicted regularly in artwork.

From a Wiki type description that I'll elaborate on in more Mayan terms later:

Letting blood using implements like sharpened bone, stingray spines, thorny ropes, and obsidian blades provided the Maya the means to petition their ancestors and the gods for rain, good harvests, and success in warfare, among other needs and desires.


From the Oct.7 1994 Session:

Q: (L) Where else did the Atlanteans go?

A: Americas. Inca. Aztec. Maya. Hopi Tribe. Pima tribe.

This comment by the C's matches up with Hopi traditions:

“The inhabitants of Atlantis had researched secrets of the Creator for which they were not spiritually ready. They had obtained knowledge of such things too early and used it to subjugate other people. In doing so, they infringed on the divine order. They also studied other planets, and they even went there,” White Bear said. “These were dead planets where no one could live, so they had to remain on our good old Earth.”

Link below to Graham Hancock's full article on the subject:

Sunken Land of The Hopi Ancestors

To paraphrase the above article as well as some other Hopi interviews, essentially their original homeland was being destroyed by flooding and they were rescued by "Ant People" and transported to the Yucatan. The conflict in Altantis/Mu is similar to how Cayce described it as well as recent remote viewers (The Sons of Belial vs. The Sons of the Law of One). At the onset of the resettlement in the Yucatan, the founders were apparently committed to The Law of One, but slowly corruption and lust for power crept into the rulers at Palenque. They seemed to be repeating the same errors as the Atlanteans and a major split occurred. The Hopi left the Yucatan and migrated north into Arizona where they chose to commit themselves to a more simple life and avoid the disaster they believed Palenque was in for.

On a personal note, we've spent a lot of time in the Yucatan and have a number of Mayan friends. A few years ago my wife and I visited the Grand Canyon and stayed in Tuba City AZ (the main Hopi Town) and were both shocked how similar many of the Hopi looked to our Mayan friends in Yucatan. None of the neighbouring Navajo had similar features, but resembled our northern people much more.

From the August.8.1995 Session:

Q: (L) Who and what were the Mayans?

A: The Mayans were a transitory people who still exist in the lands that you refer to as Central America. And who have certain physical features that are not consistent with the rest of human beings on 3rd density Earth environment, due to their interactions, in the past, as you measure time, with beings of other density levels.

Q: (L) What beings would those be?

A: Well, we have described 4th density STS beings on many occasions.

Q: (L) The Lizard Beings?

A: Indeed.


So the C's bring us right back around full circle!

The Mayans weren't an "STS Civilization" but they have been genetically tweaked by 4D STS and they were a "Transitory People" who still exist in the Yucatan? That's a tough sentence to wrap your head around.

I'll propose some evidence to try and back this speculation up in future posts. But my thinking is that the Mayan elite or a portion of them were either bi-density or became bi-density at some point.

How (a portion of) the Maya got "transported" to 4D is a whole other can of worms that I'll leave my speculations out until last.

But in the next few posts I'll try and highlight the Mayan ideas of cyclical catastrophes, information field interfaces and their bizarre interactions and journeys to the underworld that seem less and less mythical and more concrete as we uncover more info on the breakaway undergrounders from Atlantis
 
Jaguar Hybrid Babies and The Smoking God

Even though Wiki isn't always accurate (to say the least), much of what they do have on Mayan deities is directly from Karl Taube, who in my opinion, is one of the first and finest researchers in the field. His book, "The Major Gods of the Ancient Yucatan" from 1992 is quite impressive in translating Mayan glyphs into a coherent catalogue of deities and preliminary cosmology.

From Wiki:

Together with the Rain Deity Chaac, God A (otherwise known as The Smoking God) is present at the jaguar transformation of a man (possibly a hero) who is usually shown as a baby, and who seems to disappear into the underworld.


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The image above is an Olmec carving.

There has been debate over the years if there is a direct line of development from Olmec to Pre-Classic Maya culture. I don't think it's academically resolved yet, but either way both Olmec and Maya share a vast amount of religious concepts that Taube has catalogued extensively. Mayan archaeology keeps getting pushed further and further back in time. As new discoveries are made its origin gets closer to the Olmecs.

My guess would be that Olmec and Maya cosmology have a shared source. The Olmec were in the Yucatan first, but didn't expand into the vast civilization the Maya did in centuries later.

Even though both share the weird "Were-Jaguar" transformation iconography, the distinct Asian and African features found in Olmec art don't seem present in Mayan depictions. As far as I've looked, there doesn't seem to be those more exotic Olmec phenotypes still present in the Yucatan population, while Mayans are dominant in modern times. So where did these Olmecs go?


From Session 12 April 1997:

Q: … Now, I would like to know who the Olmecs were.

A: Be more specific.

Q: Okay, what is the genetic origin of the Olmecs?

A: Basically the same as yours.

Q: In some of the ancient carvings of the Olmecs, they were always carved with a
cleft in their foreheads. Did this represent an actual physical cleft?

A: Designation in the art work is for "
The Nation of the Third Eye."

The last answer by the C's is quite enigmatic. Is the "designation" in the art work signifying that the Olmec were directly related to the Undergrounder, Nation of The Third Eye? Or is the depiction an offering of allegiance or compliance? A Mark of Cain? The statement poses many questions.

Olmec Clefts depicted below:

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There are definitely clefts in Mayan glyphs, but the fresco representations of that trait aren't as common. Mayan elites are depicted with extreme cranial elongation and deformation, but not clefts. Bust of King Pakal from Palenque below:

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The whole jaguar/baby transformation is confusing, but what's strange is it sometimes looks dead or "stuffed" as in taxidermy, in its depiction on masks and figurines. If you read the Wiki page on the subject, it makes no sense.

To speculate in a sci-fi way, is the jaguar/human transformation actual hybrid experiments that went wrong? Or some 4D symbolism of a direct download 2D jaguar into a human Organic Portal? Maybe it was an insane experiment and that's why the were-jaguars are often dead?


God A - the Smoking God:

God A (otherwise known as The Smoking God) is present at the jaguar transformation of a man (possibly a hero) who is usually shown as a baby, and who seems to disappear into the underworld.


God A actually has two different designations/incarnations - God A and God A prime. Roughly translated as God Single Death and God Seven-Fold Death. The letter designations were the best Taube and his predecessors could come up with to separate a number of very similar gods with sometimes overlapping roles based on recurring glyphs.

God A:

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From Wiki:


During the Classic period, his abdomen is sometimes replaced with out-pouring swirls of blood or rotting matter. He is usually accompanied by spiders, centipedes, scorpions, a vulture, an owl, and a bat.

The creatures accompanying him are very similar to the Zoroastrian list of the "evil" animals (Xrafstar) Ahriman sends to plague humans.

On his lower extremity, he has around "molo" sign that signifies putrid smells of death. Over his head is a floating object shaped like an "S" probably an insect carrying a torch . On his forehead like other deities of the underworld he wears an "aqabal" also known as an emblem of "darkness."

Is the aqabal symbol related to the Olmec Cleft? The Darkness of the Underworld realm or the quality of the beings dwelling there? Another designation for the Nation of The Third Eye?

He was often pictured as dancing and holding a smoking cigarette. On his neck is a death collar which consists of embodied eyes hanging by their nerve cords. The black spots on his body represent the decay of the flesh. Since he is a rotting corpse in some images he is shown with a bloated stomach.

He presides over a year of great mortality. To ward off evil during this year, men would walk over a bed of glowing embers that possibly represented the fires of the Underworld.
Those who impersonated this deity would dance out the steps of ritual sacrifice, putting terror in the soul of ritual participants and the spectators who witnessed these sacred events.

Instead of being a head hunter, however, God A' (God a-prime the successor to the earliest version of God A) is a demonic apparition repeatedly shown in the illusionistic act of self-decapitation.

In most images, he is shown holding either a stave, pipe, or orb. His iconography shows considerable overlap with that of an anthropomorphic way and of a demonic flying insect sometimes carrying a torch (possibly a blowfly, firefly, or wasp).


My speculative interpretation of the above is that the Smoking God represents the memory of a horrific event of cataclysmic mass destruction. The detail of how horrible it effected him (or his representation of the many) is very grotesque. Yet, he's still smoking. Nicotine to help keep a plague away or heighten psychic abilities? He seems like he is the embodiment of the results of a cosmic "transgression". His graphic, visceral suffering has to be reinforced among the population yearly by his self-decapitation.

I found this interesting news item that might point to some Mayan knowledge of cataclysm-proof building techniques:

Maya buildings that resisted earthquakes.

According to official figures, 1,821 Mexican historical monuments suffered some sort of structural damage in the earthquakes that hit Mexico in September 2017, 242 of these being severe. Intriguingly though, THE OLDER THE BUILDING THE LESS DAMAGE IT SUFFERED. In fact, only FIVE ancient archaeological sites suffered, and these only from minor damage. As far as we know, not a single pre-Hispanic construction has ever collapsed in an earthquake or hurricane. What was the secret of the ancient pyramid builders that made sure that 2,000-year-old buildings would remain earthquake-proof for so long?


Next, I'll try to explore how the Maya conceived of the underworld, or as they termed it, Xibalba.
 
On a personal note, we've spent a lot of time in the Yucatan and have a number of Mayan friends. A few years ago my wife and I visited the Grand Canyon and stayed in Tuba City AZ (the main Hopi Town) and were both shocked how similar many of the Hopi looked to our Mayan friends in Yucatan. None of the neighbouring Navajo had similar features, but resembled our northern people much more.
In his book, Atlantis: The Antediluvian World, Ignatius Donnelly does an excellent job of exploring and explaining the migrations and similarities between the different peoples all along the Atlantic coasts. Here is the content of that part of his book. I also included a link to a pdf of the book for anyone not familiar but interested.


PART V.
THE COLONIES OF ATLANTIS.
I. The Central American and Mexican Colonies 348
II. The Egyptian Colony 358
III. The Colonies of the Mississippi Valley 370
IV. The Iberian Colonies of Atlantis 387
V. The Peruvian Colony 390
VI. The African Colonies 404
VII. The Irish Colonies from Atlantis 408
VIII. The Oldest Son of Noah 423
IX. The Antiquity of some of our Great Inventions.... 440
X. The Aryan Colonies from Atlantis 456
XI. Atlantis Reconstructed 472

[Moderator note: PDF link removed]
 
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This is an image from Palenque that the Ancient Alien dudes like to speculate as the Mayan King Pakal flying a space ship. From the context and the more mainstream research, this is more likely a depiction of a trip to the Underworld.

Yep, it is not a Space ship but a Tree of life, here you can see the underworld and above the four cosmic directions, inside a stepped pyramid symbol of progress from earth to heaven. In the tree you can also see the roots that are in the underworld. Thus, Heaven, the earthly plane and the world of the dead are represented.

So a soul can rise (Step Pyramid to Heaven) or it can sink into the underworld (Inverted step pyramid in the underworld... It reminds me of the Cs about smashing souls and the primordial soup)

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The tombstone portrays the path of the ruler from the underworld to heaven.

According to Mercedes de la Garza, historian and specialist in Mayan culture:

"The serpentine cross symbolizes, at the same time, the axis tree of the universe that delimits the four cosmic directions, showing that the celestial deity is also the axis of the world. On it rests Muut Itzamnaaj, bird aspect of the same deity and, under the body of the king, the underworld is represented with a fleshless mask and large skeletal jaws from which Pakal emerges".

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Muut Itzamnaaj at the top of the tree representing Heaven (In fact it is a Quetzal)
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Tree of life or "la Ceiba"

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Pakal rising from the dead and ascending to a new cosmic state

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Underworld and its maw

In this way, the monolithic slab tells the story of Pakal's ascent to the celestial plane after passing through the underworld and returning personifying K'awiil, the Mayan god of corn.

De la Garza mentions:

"The idea expressed is that the lord, deified, returns from the underworld, like corn, and follows an ascending path through the cosmic tree, which will lead him to the celestial heights,"

i.e from 3D to 4D or "Lizzieland."

:huh:
 

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In his book, Atlantis: The Antediluvian World, Ignatius Donnelly does an excellent job of exploring and explaining the migrations and similarities between the different peoples all along the Atlantic coasts. Here is the content of that part of his book. I also included a link to a pdf of the book for anyone not familiar but interested.
The link you provided was a disappointment since about every seventh page of that PDF-file is blocked from view unless you subscribe to forgottenbooks for $ 8.99 a month (which I'm not going to do).
 
In his book, Atlantis: The Antediluvian World, Ignatius Donnelly does an excellent job of exploring and explaining the migrations and similarities between the different peoples all along the Atlantic coasts. Here is the content of that part of his book. I also included a link to a pdf of the book for anyone not familiar but interested.


PART V.
THE COLONIES OF ATLANTIS.
I. The Central American and Mexican Colonies 348
II. The Egyptian Colony 358
III. The Colonies of the Mississippi Valley 370
IV. The Iberian Colonies of Atlantis 387
V. The Peruvian Colony 390
VI. The African Colonies 404
VII. The Irish Colonies from Atlantis 408
VIII. The Oldest Son of Noah 423
IX. The Antiquity of some of our Great Inventions.... 440
X. The Aryan Colonies from Atlantis 456
XI. Atlantis Reconstructed 472

Thanks @Musicinventor for the link
 
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