Maybe Americans CAN'T "Get It"

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Greeting Sisters, Brothers and Other-Siblings Forumites, Cherished Friends All,

How badly these eyes missed partaking of your words, so stimulating to the mind, turning it ever toward the Search for Knowledge. How good it is they see well enough again to feast from this Forum's banquet once more. Merci beaucoup, mes amis et amies.

What follows was posted first, two days ago, in response to some of Anart's keen observations on the increasingly baffling cluelessness of the average, white U.S. American. It simply refused to "lie quietly" for me. The more Forum reading I caught up with in these past few days, (after having had my vision impaired by an eye infection for almost 2 weeks) the more and more, in thread after thread, this same topic, this same question kept appearing. There are, in part, possibly, some answers in this post and food for thought if naught else. Having spent much time in research and contemplation of the information and concepts offered for consideration here, I've found them to have a great deal of merit. While one would wish for serious, strenuous and widespread clinical testing to be done, of the readily perceptible cognitive deficits in most white, U.S. Americans, the closest we may be able to arrive at that is through our own observations of others around us in this Pathocratic nation and world. For it does concern the entirety of we Human Beings. That which has already befallen average, white U.S. Americans is not intended to happen only there and only to them.

'Twould be folly for those so fortunate as to not yet be trapped within a blighted land under full and iron-fisted Pathocratic Rule, not to be geniuses enough to look and learn from what has already transpired to make such Rule the bane of life in the U.S.A. Perhaps the more of us who can observe and assess, with our eyes and minds more informed and wider opened, the more chance we may have of finding a way to flow like a strong and fluid current around the blockage made in and by white, mainstream-oriented U.S. Americans, rather than continuing to attempt removing it from them, still thinking it can somehow be penetrated, shattered or battered down. For, IMHO, the only direction in which any chance of real progress lies is around them, neither through nor with them.

There must be a dozen different posts, at least, in as many different threads, all within the past few days, asking that question: Why do average, white, mainstream U.S. Americans still not "get it?" So, begging your tolerance, I now post this topic separately from the thread "Hidden Agenda Behind the Bird Flu Hoax" where it originally was entered, and it has been expanded somewhat. For those who do not wish to read the rest of it, the "bottom line" for the answer to why most white Americans do not "get it" is in the title. The majority of mainstream, white U.S. Americans CANNOT "get it," and therefore they will not. That may be the critical reality we needs must accept and deal with in these far too interesting times.

There are two very specific causes I now consider to be at the roots of their gross incomprehension. They are given here in order of the severity of the incapacity for "getting it" that is inflicted by each causative factor:

1) A deliberately induced and significantly impairing degree of most literal, (actual and ascertainable by clinical testing) crippling brain damage afflicts the vast majority of average, white Americans. It has been achieved for the most part within and by the public educational system, with a heaping of programming help from all TV, commercial and public television alike, and all radio, all broadcast media, period, including the subliminals hidden within the muzak coming from the ubiquitous speakers in stores, elevators, malls, and the canned "medi-mercials" on the screen now mandatorily blasting the patients waiting to see the doctor in clinics and ERs. In the Forum there is a report about public school reading primers that instill inhibitions against reading with depressing stories promoting a pathologically peer-dependent emotional and mental orientation. There is an account of essay tests in a high school English class requiring the students to write about factual subjects, drawn from current events or history, but no stipulation is made that they must in any way relay those facts correctly within their essays. Outright fabrications and contradictions of the facts are quite all right just so long as the grammar and syntax are correct. And more, far too many more such tales can be read herein. Each illuminates the reality of a public educational system that actively works to defeat real education.

2) A societally endemic emotional and psychological conditioning to racism has been completely, deeply ingrained in all of Anglo-American-European, caucasian, western societies, not least among them the U.S.. Even the author of "Morality Is in the Eye of the Oppressor" makes a glaring omission in his proposed remedies for the lethal effects of caucasian racism. He neglects to mention making any resitution of lands, or other payments of just and fair compensation, to the Native Americans of both continents and to those African Americans who are the descendants of slaves. The Reality is, even though he has elevated his consciousness of caucasian racism's horrible, utterly ingrained, malevolent presence in the entire fabric of all the post colonial western, globally-dominating, caucasian societies, Jason Miller may have barely scratched the surface of his own, internal programming. The caucasian racist conditioning runs so deep, far and wide within the mainstream, white Anglo-American-European mind set and personality structure that those infected by it, all those who grew up as fully integrated members of that white mainstream culture, cannot entirely See its full extent, nor free themselves from its residual control of their reactions and their world views. The best they can achieve, and the best among them do so, diligently, as is surely true of Mr. Miller, is to Know that they ARE thus infected, for life, and never cease to keep fighting against it.

(Those who doubt this fact about themselves and their own highly probable racist conditioning might benefit from taking the tests at Harvard's Project Implicit. They are available at http://www.implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/research/index Just keep doing yet another test, and the one that reveals subconscious racial biases, for or against any race, in any direction, will come up in due time, usually fairly soon. Meanwhile you'll be assisting some scholars with a worthwhile study. I took the test myself, and my own racial bias was indeed detected, although I'll not specify which is its direction. I even tried to "fool" the test in several subsequent runs and could not do so, a serious indication that it is a valid test indeed, since I've had the benefit of education in how such tests work and are designed.)

Please, I now beg patience from all of you, my precious Reader Friends and Sister, Brother, Other-Sibling Forumites. Although this post is lengthy, please know that I have spent hours on whittling it down to the "bones." Let us make an exploration this time of why most white, mainstream-oriented Americans CAN'T "get it" rather than our continuing to fruitlessly wonder what it will take before they do. Only some 30% of them are likely to still have sufficient wholeness of mind, to be intact enough in their capacity to Reason and literate enough to Seek for facts and comprehend them, to even be able to "get it." Among those 30% are the ones we observe who are Awake and doing all they can. Unfortunately, they may well be far too few to tip the balance. Now, to the older portion of this post.

Anart wrote: "|...| it is as if they feel that it is so far beyond anyone's reach to change things that the idea that they could 'do' something to change things doesn't even cross their minds. I can't help but think that this is a combined result of the ponerological process and mind befuddling via artificial means - these people are literally hypnotized and show no signs of awakening anytime in the near future.|...|"

Indeed the ponerological process is at the heart of the problem, and both the "befuddling" and the hypnosis have been carefully created by decades of deliberate assault and grievous, resultant injuries inflicted upon the populace by the Pathocracy. It is not just where you are, Anart. Where I am it is exactly the same, and all of the Awake and Thinking people with whom I correspond regulary, from all regions of the country, are expressing the same troubled puzzlement and Seeing the same "bizarre" and incoherent, perpetually foggy lack of awareness as we do. The glaring dysfunctions of reason and deficits of comprehension that you have Seen in most average, white U.S. Americans are certainly verified by my own observations and studies, and by those of a good dozen others who are just as keen-minded and concerned as we are. There is now good reason to assert that the key elements causing it are in fact "mind beffudling via artificial means" and some very deep psycho-emotional conditioning that is endemically instilled in white, mainstream-identified Americans.

In that "mind beffudling" category is the FACT that the vast majority of them, across the board, are no longer functionally literate, and could not have been so for quite a few years already.

The U.S. Department of Education's latest nationwide testing of adult literacy levels among U.S. college graduates and post graduates was conducted in 2003. The results were not released until late December of 2005. They appear to have been published only once, on Christmas Day, 2005, in the Washington Post, in the actual printed newspaper only, on page A-24, not online, and were not mentioned in the MSM at all. The tests revealed a full 10% drop in U.S. adult literacy levels, across the board, in the past 10 years alone. Fully 69% of all college graduates and 59% of all post graduates tested were NOT functionally literate. The numbers were stated in the opposite terms in the report. "31% of college graduates and 41% of post graduates successfully completed all of the tests." The obvious lesser impact of stating it thusly was another means of sneaking it under the psychological "radar" of those few Americans who do still have sufficient literacy to grasp what they read in a newspaper.

The top of America's educational crop failed, in an all volunteer test group of more than 19,000 participants ranging from 16 years on up to old age, to be able to pass four basic tests of functional, adult literacy: 1) to accurately read and follow the directions on a prescription bottle's label; 2) to understand and accurately answer the questions on a job application or medical history form; 3) to be able to read a set of instructions and then use them to perform a multi-stepped task correctly; 4) to understand what was being asked in a mathematical word problem, just basic math, no algebra or geometry required, well enough to then solve the problem.

If 69% of college graduates and 59% of post graduates, including doctoral graduates, are not fully, functionally literate, just what can be the probable literacy, and thus reasoning and general thinking abilities, of the majority of the American people? For in depth info on this and some very pertinent, closely related topics, I recommend the article "Word Control, Thought Control, World Control, Part 2," by Mathew Kristin Kiel, from the 6th March, 2006 SotT Editorials. It is a somewhat long read, but, if you skip everything after the info on the definitions of "cult" on down to the end of the definiton comparisons, you can shorten it a goodly bit. But the Reality emerges starkly and chillingly. It suddenly makes much, much more sense of precisely why most Americans are not "getting it."

Much of these last three paragraphs have been paraphrased from the contents of "Word Control, Part 2," and it contains a good bit more detail on this terrible reality than given here, including how it was done. One Forum poster, among the many expressing their profound concerns on this very issue, commented yesterday that the U.S. educational system has been "dumbing down Americans for the last hundred years." While it has not been going on for quite that long, the poster was entirely correct in the overall assessment. It has been going on for a good 50 to 60 years. In regard to the adult literacy tests above, it seems that their basic format hasn't changed in the past hundred years, only the results. As Mr. Kiel said, and as was more true than this reader wanted to admit to himself previously, despite all of the progressively, drastically worsening adult literacy test results coming from the Department of Education for each of the past 4 decades, the tests "are not rocket science."

Another Forum poster in the past few days shared some statistics about the overall adult literacy levels for Americans in the early 19th century, with well over 90% of them being literate at what are levels far beyond the average modern American. The best selling novel in the U.S., then, which he mentioned, was James Fennimore Cooper's "The Last of the Mohicans" and, as he pointed out, the writing is far and away more difficult than anyone would encounter in any of the current fiction best sellers. Yet average Americans, then, ate it up. They could and did "get it." Let us hope that this insightful poster will share some more of his knowledge on this topic with us.

Most average, white, U.S. Americans CANNOT get it any more, and they are very likely unable to learn to do so, not now, not ever. Their minds have been too much damaged, and deliberately so. The "dumbing down" has succeeded. Their cognitive destruction has been achieved, exactly as George Orwell foretold. To quote Mr. Kiel one last time, regarding the Dumbing of America, "In the U.S., it is a done deal." I wept for the inescapable Knowing of what was written therein, and I still do. I most truly did not want to have to acknowledge that it IS just that bad. Day after day, once my eyes were opened to the dire possibility, I looked carefully and indeed I've Seen the proofs of these assertions all about me, in the people around me at every level, from every walk of life. To deny the fact of this would now require embracing a delusional amount of denial, and I can't swim. It was plain to See once pointed out, at least to my own observations. Let us hope that many more of the excellent minds posting herein will begin to look about themselves and See what is revealed by their astute observations.

Most Forum Surfers will realize that this lack of full, functional literacy, in those American adults who have received formal education enough to have putatively acquired such and who were not victims of any childhood learning disability, inherently signifies the presence of major deficiencies in their abilities to reason, in all regards. They have lost their capacities for basic logic and rational information processing. The real nature of those standardized adult literacy tests, in all four areas, is to determine if the reader can make a rational extrapolation of the information in the written materials so as to derive and correctly perform the appropriate, practical application it requires. The vast majority of the most educated Americans CANNOT THINK. What, oh just what does that tell us about the less educated?

No matter how well they might have recognized, pronounced and even defined the words they'd read, they could not understand what those words meant collectively. That is also known as input aphasia, when the words coming in, written or spoken, can't be made sense of by the reader or listener. It is usually accompanied by output aphasia, in which the outgoing words are "word salad," if the lesion or other injury is in one part of the brain, and pure gibberish if in another location. To all practical intents and purposes, a good 70% of the American public has been rendered mildly to moderately aphasic.

Most who travel in the realms of this Forum will know of Piaget's works on the stages of cognitive development and of their foundational role in the development of the integrally related stages of moral reasoning. That the extent to which we can grow and mature is tied directly to our levels of verbal accumen and our intellectual abilities is well and long established. Dr. Lobaczewski strongly emphasizes the importance of good general intellect and logical reasoning abilities for the individual to recognize and internally combat ponerogenic influences. He also shows us how the repeated and prolonged exposure of children to ponerogenic influences, to psychologically and emotionally traumatic environments, to characteropathic adults, or to a combination of such factors will cause permanent and specific damages to various poritions of their brains, so as to cause lifelong deficits in reasoning and moral development.

In the U.S., public school students have been being deliberately exposed to an ever increasing variety and totality of both traumatizing and ponerogenic "educational" influences for many years. Not the least among the most ponerogenic of all influences upon public school students is the stifling of their minds, imaginations, inquisitveness, self confidence and self expression that are inherent in the deliberate "dumbing down" process that so many posters here have written about. In the facts disclosed by those 2003 U.S. Department of Education adult literacy test scores, we find that it is not merely "as bad as we thought" but much, much worse.

Recent events here in my vernally bountiful Swamps of Eugnosia have given me the opportunity to attempt to "shake and awake", and thus to also observe closely, a group of Section 8, Title IX, HUD housing residents. They will all be thrown onto the streets as of 29 April, 2007, at the latest, possibly as early as 31 October, 2006. Their building's manager issued a notice to them saying precisely that, as of 9 March, 2006. The 2007 budget that Bush signed into law and is now enforcing, in another blatantly criminal, unconstitutional act, was NOT passed by both houses of the Congress and is thus not legally valid at all. It was illegal for the Senators who placed it upon his desk for a signature to have done so, since it had not passed in the House, and for good reason. No funds were provided in it for the HUD rural housing assistance programs specifically set aside for the elderly and disabled poor in small farm towns and villages across the country, nor for a good many other subsistence programs of the direst necessity for the poorest of the poor, some 107 in all.

All of the people I contacted in the HUD building here are either disabled or above 65 years of age, and most of them are both. Two of them are in their mid 80s, one in her early 90s. But only 2 residents in a building of 24 one bedroom apartment units, only 2 of the 26 tenants therein, came to a meeting designed to help them understand and discuss their dire circumstances and to examine their possible options. Having realized that many of them might be afraid of reprisals if they came to a public meeting, I had also provided them with calling cards slipped under their doors so they might contact me privately, and with a brief note encouraging them to call. None of the rest have called, as yet, now more than 3 weeks later.

These folks are among the poorest of all the poor people in the U.S. They have neither family nor friends who are able or willing to lend them assistance with such necessities as a room or an apartment to live in, or else they would not be in HUD housing at all. They had to prove that they have no source of support other than themselves in order to qualify to receive this type of HUD susidized housing. Without their HUD apartments, the streets, or for a very few the worst of the severely overcrowded and under funded Medicaid nursing homes, will be their only options, either of which will sentence them to a very short life of severe want and pain followed by a greatly hastened and brutal death.

When I checked back with them individually, "robotic" is a very fitting word, as is another that has been used by Anart to describe the average, white American's responses to having critical issues brought to their attention, "bizarre." Their mumbled and distracted replies plainly showed that they had not understood and simply could not grasp what I was saying. They made nonsensical, irrational excuses, those few who even bothered attempting to do so at all, for not attending the meeting or calling. None accepted offers of future contact. The only people to show up for the face-to-face were myself, my erstwhile assistant and the only two non-caucasian tenants, one an African American and the other a half-breed Blackfoot Indian from Montana.

The prevailing concensus among the white tenants, against all and abundant evidence to the contrary, is that it's all some kind of a mistake and they are in no real danger of losing their housing, not ever. They have a notice from the management stating emphatically that "Congress failed to appropriate any funds" for their housing in the 2007 budget, and that "the property owner's contracts with HUD will be terminated as of April 29, 2007." But they are all quite sure it just does not and cannot, will not apply to themselves, not to their apartments, not to their charmed, inviolably safe white lives, not at all. So, in addition to their aphasic incomprehension, we must add the second part of why the average, white American just does not, and cannot "get it." White, mainstream Americans' racist conditioning is literally going to kill them.

Observing the millions of pro Human Rights marchers who've recently taken to the streets of U.S. cities and towns, in brown, red, yellow and black multitudes, one cannot escape the idea that the Mind Control System does not seem to have worked or to now be working quite so effectively against other races as it does against the white "majority." (I place the word in quotations because the Reality, globally, is that whites are a distinct minority of the total Human population.) Finding out what specific differences may exist between the brain structures of most "minority" race members and most whites would be a very valuable study, IMHO, but racism itself makes even the suggestion of it a "dangerous" idea. However, the evidence of something being decidedly different, in regard to the overall effects of the Mind Control System upon non-whites, has really been strongly supported by recent events, or so it appears to these eyes of mine. We might well learn something of value to us all to do as much as we can to find out why there is such a huge difference.

Perhaps there is hope to be found in this phenomenon indicating that a vast majority of those who are half, or more, of non-caucasian genetic stock, in the Americas at least, (and also apparently in France) really do "get it" and are taking actions. The sad Reality, however, is that racism is very deeply entrenched and dominant, at the reactive levels if not always consciously, in most white, mainstream-identified, U.S. Americans. They will never, unless another Ghandi or Martin Luther King, Jr. magically appears to literally enchant them into joining the struggle, believe that the struggles of poor non-white folks are also the necessary struggles and the essential opposition and "direction" for themselves as well.

Whites have been culturally, societally and religiously brainwashed, for many generations, especially all of those white Anglo-Europeans who've been transplanted to the American continents, to believe that their ways, their rights, their needs and their very survival are always best achieved by pursuing goals or utilizing methods that are separate from and often diametrically opposite to those of the other races. The conditioned racism and its xenophobic emotional and psychological reflexes are profoundly ingrained in most white Americans, from the very bottom of the socio-economic scale on up. In fact it is almost certainly impossible that they will now, at least not any of the present generations of them, be able overcome it sufficiently to act in concert with other races well enough and for long enough to save their very own lives. They simply do not have enough thinking ability left to figure out that they need to do so.

The question is, at least in part, now answered. They cannot awaken to the Objective Reality of their own circumstances. With the proven developmental deficits, the brain damage in fact, that is shown to be present in the vast majority of them, how can they possibly come to first recognize and then work to overcome their racist conditioning? Again, in the second cause of their utter incomprehension, profound racism, lies the fact of the first preventing them from being able to think at all well enough to ever "get it" about the second one. Their profound, oblivious ignorance to the equal validity and equal rights of the lives of non-whites and all others different from themselves, leaves them with no possiblity to realize they need desperately to find and keep common cause with non-caucasians.

They cannot learn to "get it" in regard to the very deep ponerological conditioning in themselves. Their elemental racism tells them they are not like unto, and thus can hold themselves forever separate from and innately more valid than all the other races. To part with that false belief is a necessary step. but for them, that step, based as it is in reasoning out for themselves, individually, the nature and causes of their own plight, is a chasm as great as the Grand Canyon. Their racism will continue to constantly inform them that the streets becoming their own homes, and all of those other bad things that they've casually watched happening to the "less worthy" non-whites in this country since forever, simply cannot and will not ever happen to themselves.

After all, they're white. How can they wind up homeless and living under a freeway overpass in the dead of winter? How can they get thrown into jail or worse without hope of a trial nor even of charges being filed against them? That kind of thing only happens to "lazy" people and to darker folks who're all violent criminal types anyway. This is the only reality they do perceive, the only one they can perceive at the deepest emotional and psychological levels. Still they will not "get it," even when the cardboard roofs above their heads are caving in from the weight of the snow upon them. They will be no more able to think out the causes of their situation, nor to reason what they might do about it then than they are now. They simply CANNOT get it.

N'est ce pas?


I humbly thank each and every one of you for sharing in this exchange of Thinking and Seeking. It is rich food for the Mind, and most sorely needed by me. I missed you badly whilst my eyes were blurred. ('Twas not the clarity of merely my physical sight I impatiently wanted restored.)

M
 
thanks Magus. I most certainly agree. I've seen similiar examples, not as dire as yours, within my own family. They (specifically my father and mother) cannot grok the corruptability of "the system" and therefore refuse responsibility to do anything at all about it. They figure that it is "someones" responsibility to monitor the gov't personel, that "someone" makes sure they are following all the rules. And this seems to be the trend i've notice among folks my parents age and older. My guess is that that someone was the media and citizenry during their upbringing, and in that time period checks and balances were maintained by protests/media; the famous "liberal" media of the 70s.

However what is often ignored is the fact that things CHANGE, that our universe, country, world etc, exists as a fluid dynamic system in which things are constantly moving, switching names, even becoming complete opposite of what they began as, all the while the status quo is apparantly maintained and thus to them nothing of import has changed and therefore nothing has changed at all. This is their fatal flaw, and will ultimately paralyze them when said change becomes apparant, which is exactly what the PTB are after: deer in the headlights syndrome.

And i agree, this cannot be repaired, the damage was done to them when they were young and reinforced over the years, how some of us escaped it i cannot fathom other then the age of our souls is greater thus allowing us intuitive defenses.

As such is it up to us to awaken and inform as many as possible, as many that CAN get it, because ultimately, it is these individuals who will survive and form the next generation of our little global society.
 
I think one can also blame the COINTELPRO here because most people (like I was) are unable to GRASP what is really going on because the COINTELPRO does such a good job at destroying people who don't fit in and are confused about what happens to them. So some of the stuff that WOULD help people to wake up, so to say, gets ridiculed that the average person thinks EVERYTHING non-mainstream is bunk. So instead of going over things with a fine-tooth comb the average person just ignores ALL of it.

Also, in following the "Fourth Way", Gurdjieff/Ouspensy teach that maybe not everyone CAN awaken.

Add in the Ponerization process, and the system does a good job at keeping people asleep.

And the people don't even realize it.

Don
 
I agree on the whole with this impassioned commentary. Maybe I can add my two cents on the matter.

Magus said:
Why do average, white, mainstream U.S. Americans still not "get it?"..., the "bottom line" for the answer to why most white Americans do not "get it" is in the title of this post. The majority of mainstream, white U.S. Americans CANNOT "get it," and therefore they will not.
I think the answer to why they CANNOT get it lies also in the question. Average, white, mainstream U.S. Americans CANNOT get it, because they are precisely "average", "white" and "mainstream" "U.S. Americans". Notice I put all this in quotes, indicating that these terms are defined for these people and not genuine. And that is the crux of the problem: being pre-defined by the Pathocracy in terms of the Pathocracy and loving it.

Of these four terms I consider being "average" and "mainstream" practically insulting. In a country allegedly priding itself on its championing individualism (the big argument against Communism) there seems to be a lot of desire to be "average" and "mainstream", and not just by whites. Each large racial group in the U.S. is defined in the context of its own "mainstream" and then pressured to become assimilated into the greater "mainstream" defined by the "white" version of things.

There is pressure to conform and pressure to stay in one's "group", and pressure to transcend ones group for the "mainstream superior one" (where the latter move is rarely successful). Often I notice U.S. Americans are so busy picking sides they loose track of how confusing that society really is. It is not just a "melting pot" effect, but a constant barraging of the populous with contradictory issues: some say the U.S. is too liberal, others say it is too conservative, some say it is too religious, others say it is godless, some blame immigrants, others blame the "whites" and those who want to be "whites".

It's like the articles regarding climate change I read. For every article claiming the polar caps will melt, there is another one claiming an ice age is coming. The U.S. is the most confusing society in the world, and this is intended by the PTB that run it. The more people are confused and afraid, the more they clump into self-similar groups, and the more they want all aspects of life defined and regulated, including their very identity, so as to secure themselves under unbrellas of self and group definition and stand against all "others".

The U.S is a society with more stresses than any other, in the sense that these are all covered under a veil of "normalcy" and "healthy competition". In countries where suffering is more evident, life sucks, but you know what you are up against. You are more resilient that way, just as impoverished humanity has always been resilient. In the U.S. you cannot complain because everything around you jumps to invalidate your complaint.

You don't have a job: you are lazy. You are poor: you are worthless. You have money: you are worthy. You cry "unfair", people cry back: "get a job!". Every society on this planet has a form of tradition linked to the geography and long history supporting the population. The traditions of the U.S. are patched and reprocessed fragments of miriads of indegenous traditions, with the north western European one prominent as the mainstream model.

U.S. culture is as processed as the foods it dishes out to its people. This is an engineered society down to its very colonial roots. Everyone but those at the top of the foodchain is a victim in one way or the other. In fact, IMO, it is a miracle how there are ANY sane people in the U.S. under such conditions.

And the engineering factor has gotten more and more deliberate over the last 50 years. The U.S.A. is the most advanced form of social control on the planet. And hence it is also the hardest to break. It is the hardest because of the relentless deliberation of that control at all levels of society, using the most advanced technology available. Yet within that difficulty there is a hidden flaw in the controls. Mainly, it has been in effect only for a relatively short amount of time, and in that time the people of the U.S. have been deconditioned from the old ways as well as reconditioned to new ones, to the point most cannot tell the difference.

What I am trying to say is that even as illiterate as they are as a whole, U.S. Americans are people most open to suggestion. Their psychologically insecure position regarding group identity provides an opening for at least some to redefine that identity, apart from the PTB.

U.S. Americans have been inundated by so much contradictory information that they grasp the nearest plank in that turbulent sea for purposes of maintaining sanity. Other people's on the planet are far more dependent on thier native traditions, and must be manipulated through them. Thus, it is not so easy to apply the U.S. experiment in other cultures with the same degree of effectiveness.

In short, U.S. Americans have been subject to so many social upheavals under the veil of social stability that they are actually more adaptable to change than other peoples. U.S. society changes like the tides according to the whims of the PTB. This manipulation, however, blinds the populous to their greater capacity for change. They literally don't realize the value of that strength and are conditioned to fear it.

On the other hand, they have lost the secure foundation of identity upon which all change is built, unless you want to consider media-defined and "enhanced" versions (for all major racial groups and especially the mainstream, white or not) as such a foundation.

I think, as just as it may be theoretically sound, that recompense of indigenous peoples is not practical any more than finding out who'se a Mongol in Europe and sending them back to Mongolia is practical. Within every racial group there are elements of that group that work with the "white" PTB and insure their people remain status quo.

Demonizing any group is what Pathocrats want, creating rifts between groups is what they want, making people think it is a racial problem while it is really a class problem is what they want. And BTW, most of the elite in the U.S. not only belong to the same race, but are probably family as well, and fool the masses with the same skin color as they that they are somehow "kin".

Despite all this, U.S. Americans do not need to tear down their society to rebuild it. It is this idea of tearing down the little security to be had through whatever illusions clothing it that paralyzes people with fear. To change that which CANNOT be changed, it must be redefined. Each and every individual capable of doing so must define themselves as an individual first, and provide an example of psychological self-sufficiency even if material self-suffiency is lacking.

Each person that can redefine themselves must gain strength from that and assist others in doing so. At this point it is unrealistic to think one can change whole populations or even neighborhoods at a time. Very few can change, and we must not despair because of that. As I said, it is a miracle that there is even ONE sane person left in the U.S. under the relentless conditions of indoctrinating social engineering prevalent there. Yet, there are a few, and they need to affirm their sanity and their independence from convention to each other at any and every opportunity.

This is true of any person of any racial background. Personally, I think U.S. Americans are not more racist than any other people. Other peoples have the luxury of homogenous culture. When that homogeneity is threatened, however, one observes racism on scales equal to or worse than those in the U.S. Human beings are addicted to identity patterns defined by peer groups. They always have been. Now they are challenged to break that addiction without having to throw genetic and historic heritage out the window.

It is not that Americans are less intelligent than anyone else, but that the inherent manipulation points of human weakness have been deliberately capitalized in that country in the most efficient manner. And personally, I observe that there are far more people communicating the fact than ever before there. Liberal movements aside, when I was in college in the 80's and all through my earlier schooling in the U.S., EVERYONE I encountered was FOR the system.

Even if they defined themselves as belonging to a fringe group or a non-white racial group, they still defined themselves in terms of how the system defined them, and especially how prominent citizens of their own group defined their issues. Even so, as Magus poignantly observed, those who are away from the "mainstream" by virtue of racial appearance and history, are forced to view the system as outsiders, and hence much more inclined to be objective regarding its ways.

From my years at a prominent Afro-American University, however, I do not think this is the rule; simply that there is a higher percentage of sane individuals in other racial groups compared to the beguiling "mainstream" where poor "whites" are content to pick the crumbs left over by their wealthier masters and worship them for it.

Then there is the issue that many U.S. Americans are drugged with medication prescribed at every opportunity, and poisoned in an increasingly toxic environment, and through contaminated food and water. Many of these toxins, such as, Mercury, MSG, aspartame and benzoic acid promote brain damage. Tap water in major cities is practically undrinkable, while even taking a shower with such water exposes the skin to absorbing a wide spectrum of heavy metals and other toxins, all prone to cause neurological damage.

So for the majority, it is highly likely that this extensive damage is irrepairable. The fact that there are SOME, however, for whom the damage IS reversible offers more than a glimmer of hope for both the people of the U.S. and those of the world at large, especially if the percentage is anywhere near 30%. The U.S.A. is a drastic prolonged experiment in social control. The effects of such an experiment would be highly traumatic for ANY population.

As such, those that CAN awaken must awaken, and those that ARE awakening must become an example and influence to as many as they can. And whatever the percentage of redeemables it must be enough, and it CAN be enough, in my view, because the power of ONE positive example far outweighs the disappointment fostered by many more failures.
 
EsoQuest said:
This is true of any person of any racial background. Personally, I think U.S. Americans are not more racist than any other people. Other peoples have the luxury of homogenous culture. When that homogeneity is threatened, however, one observes racism on scales equal to or worse than those in the U.S. Human beings are addicted to identity patterns defined by peer groups. They always have been. Now they are challenged to break that addiction without having to throw genetic and historic heritage out the window.

It is not that Americans are less intelligent than anyone else, but that the inherent manipulation points of human weakness have been deliberately capitalized in that country in the most efficient manner. And personally, I observe that there are far more people communicating the fact than ever before there. Liberal movements aside, when I was in college in the 80's and all through my earlier schooling in the U.S., EVERYONE I encountered was FOR the system.

Even if they defined themselves as belonging to a fringe group or a non-white racial group, they still defined themselves in terms of how the system defined them, and especially how prominent citizens of their own group defined their issues. Even so, as Magus poignantly observed, those who are away from the "mainstream" by virtue of racial appearance and history, are forced to view the system as outsiders, and hence much more inclined to be objective regarding its ways.
All very good points EsoQuest and I guess it could be said that one prejudice is really equal to another but it might be that Americans are more prejudice then other people from a certain perspective. I'm a North American white male myself so I may indeed be somewhat skewed in my own observations towards my "own kind" but there is something about the North American white male (as a group mind) that may stand apart from the rest of the world. In other words the prejudice of the North American white male may be in a class by itself. What I have found from my observations within the predominately white corporate environment (in the U.S.) is that the white males, more the anyone else, have an "amazing ability" to ignore others around them who do not serve their interests with regard to enhancing their own personal security and advancement within the corporate structure. You could be in the same room with them and they (the white males) could look right thru you if they think you can't help them in some way. You literally become a "thing" like a chair or a table if you can't further their career in some way and the predominate underlying message I get from such cold indifference is "if something bad should happen then better it happen to you then it happen to me". In the same way this mindset appears to also apply to how the Native Americans were viewed during their extermination and applies equally to those in the middle east as well as to the black populations, who live side by side with the white populations here in the U.S., but the "North American white male corporate mindset" seems to not see them, as if they are invisible. So I'd just like to make this observation on this one point and it might be that the prejudice of the North Americans stand apart because of our strong propensity to seek power and our tendency to draw "first blood" from the rest of the world.
 
kenlee said:
What I have found from my observations within the predominately white corporate environment (in the U.S.) is that the white males, more the anyone else, have an "amazing ability" to ignore others around them who do not serve their interests with regard to enhancing their own personal security and advancement within the corporate structure. You could be in the same room with them and they (the white males) could look right thru you if they think you can't help them in some way. You literally become a "thing" like a chair or a table if you can't further their career in some way and the predominate underlying message I get from such cold indifference is "if something bad should happen then better it happen to you then it happen to me".
I think this supports my point that the U.S.A. is the most deliberate socially engineered society on the planet. The behaviour you describe is actually the universal attitude of elitist groups to others and even those of their own circle. Kings, rajas, emperors, lords and the like have always treated those lower on the pecking order as "things". In many cultures if you look at your "superior" in the eyes, or if your shadow happens to fall on them, you were condemned to death.

This also applies to "equals", which is why elistist have codes of conduct. They view "equals" in terms of competition or alliance, and they view everyone in terms of how they can use them. This is true of many humans when dealing with those to whom they do not have close social bonds, but it is more true with psychopaths who treat everyone who is not openly stronger than they in this manner. And even with the stronger, they simply bide their time until they can stab them in the back.

Western society went a ways to seemingly adopt democratic principles. These "revolutions" were controlled, IMO, to lead to a time when those principles would be overturned and the world would go back to a high tech GLOBAL version of the "old ways".

Many indigenous societies had rigid hierarchies where only the few would really rank as human beings. The U.S. has grafted this elitist attitude of "objectifying" the human being into the paper money system, also hooking in the populous by promoting that ANYONE can climb to the top.

We must not forget that today's elitist type white folks in U.S. society are descendants of Europeans who even as royalty lived in abject squallor while other cultures had "high" civilizations and treated their own subjects as objects. The social engineering of the U.S. is marketing psychopathy as a social ideal. Elitists of all races have already done that. With most whites you have ancestry that quickly rose from barbarism to dominance in a relatively short time, more like a group Attila the Hun dynamic than the rise of Rome.

If other races were, furthermore, not as prone to psychopathy, neither Britain nor the U.S would never have been able to gain a foothold in the world as they have. They do so by promoting local psychopaths.

I do agree that psychopathy is reaching an extreme in the U.S., and that is because all its peoples of all races are pitted against each other and there is no unity among them as human being, just as there is little unity among the varied cultures of the world. In the U.S. we have a condensed world order, where the whites are being conned into believing they are the "chosen ones". We know how any race can fall into that trap, which is the primary excuse for wars of domination. In corporate American this "chosen one" thing is taken to the individual level with "survuval of the fittest and most ruthless and psychopathic".

When psychopaths win they do believe they have been chosen by their own superiority to do so. Yet, I still believe it is a human condition, and the U.S. is as it is because modern technology has allowed one psychopathic faction (which happens to be mostly white) to be more systematic in their manipulation of others.
 
Thanks for the excellent discussion-

This just adds to the mix, doesn't really add much new, just a slightly different perspective, quoted from an astute gentleman named Stan Goff
Stan Goff said:
Q. You connect the war in Iraq to the war against the working class at home. Do you think domestic class struggle is behind the decision to go to war? A. I don't think class struggle is ever the determining factor in going to war, but I think it's always one factor. Wars are helpful to the U.S. ruling class because they focus attention on external enemies and distract from the systematic war being waged against the workers. The problem in the U.S. is that the working-class people don't admit that they are working-class. They call themselves middle-class. They don't understand that they are being robbed. The last three decades have seen the biggest transfer of wealth in the U.S. history from the so-called middle class to the rich . . . The real vulnerability is that working-class people think of themselves as middle class. Historically, when the middle class is thrown into political crisis, it does not embrace revolutionary politics; it embraces reactionary politics. Twentieth century crises in Spain, Italy and Germany led to the rise of fascism in all three of those countries. Fascism is a middle class phenomenon. It requires the scapegoating of minority populations. A powerful preexisting racism, like we have in our culture pushes people in that direction . . .
This reminds me of the story oft quoted by Laura
This, of course, takes us to Gurdjieff's story of the Evil Magician:

"There is an Eastern tale which speaks about a very rich magician who had a great many sheep. But at the same time this magician was very mean. He did not want to hire shepherds, nor did he want to erect a fence about the pasture where his sheep were grazing. The sheep consequently often wandered into the forest, fell into ravines, and so on, and above all they ran away, for they knew that the magician wanted their flesh and skins and this they did not like.

"At last the magician found a remedy. He hypnotized his sheep and suggested to them first of all that they were immortal and that no harm was being done to them when they were skinned, that, on the contrary, it would be very good for them and even pleasant; secondly he suggested that the magician was a good master who loved his flock so much that he was ready to do anything in the world for them; and in the third place he suggested to them that if anything at all were going to happen to them it was not going to happen just then, at any rate not that day, and therefore they had no need to think about it. Further the magician suggested to his sheep that they were not sheep at all; to some of them he suggested that they were lions, to others that they were eagles, to others that they were men, and to others that they were magicians.

"And after this all his cares and worries about the sheep came to an end. They never ran away again but quietly awaited the time when the magician would require their flesh and skins." [Quoted by P.I. Ouspensky, In Search of the Miraculous]
As we see, we have some very confused sheep that think they are lions, eagles and magicians, when in fact they are simple sheep. [i.e., they are human workers--not the petty bourgeoise--that is NOT dependent upon a weekly paycheck, the need for health insurance, the need for job security, the need for protection of basic rights in the workplace, the need for a secure and fair pension/social security system, the need for an honest and equitable tax system, etc.]

All are so wrapped up on supporting their egoistic illusions of being "special," "superior," or just "better" than somebody else (anybody else), of trying to imitate the pathocratic social structure put before them, that they can't --won't-- see yet alone admit what is happening to them as they are being sheared at the entrance to the slaughterhouse.

Is it any wonder that America's attention is currently focused on what to do with illegal aliens that are causing so many problems (that were allowed into the country deliberately in the first place, to be used for this exact purpose!)?

It reminds me of the SOtT story about the older woman that was travelling the country explaining basic economics and remarked that when the garbage truck driver tells her that the biggest problem facing the U.S. is the inheritance tax, that he's been listening to too much Rush, and watching too much Fox.
 
EsoQuest said:
I think this supports my point that the U.S.A. is the most deliberate socially engineered society on the planet. The behaviour you describe is actually the universal attitude of elitist groups to others and even those of their own circle. Kings, rajas, emperors, lords and the like have always treated those lower on the pecking order as "things". In many cultures if you look at your "superior" in the eyes, or if your shadow happens to fall on them, you were condemned to death.
Yep, it sure looks as if the entire U.S. is some kind of experiment in social engineering. One thing about the elitist attitude of the Kings and Emperors it that I think this attitude had a certain "honesty" about it (Ok, I know that sounds a little crazy). But at least with the Kings, lords and rajas people knew more or less where they stood. You look the King in the eye and you know what the results will be. But if you look Bush in the eye you get a stupid smile and a quote from the Bible!

The tyranny of the U.S. is a deceptive tyranny and this deceptive tyranny might be the ultimate experiment in deception and the U.S. citizenry are the pigs in the pen that are being experimented on. We don't have walls to hold us here (yet) but the walls that are holding people in bondage in the U.S. are the unseen walls we built around ourselves with our own free will.

One thing about U.S. tyranny is that it's masked with high sounding rhetoric such as "America the beautiful", "freedom and liberty for all" and so on. But behind it all the United States consumes like no other nation on earth.

The state of sleep of the people in the U.S. is so profound that the only way I could see them waking up to any degree whatsoever is with anger, both for the decievers and for themselves for allowing themselves to be decieved for so long. The anger must come from within by being in-formed. It's like there is a kind of membrane separating people from feeling the true threat of the situation and perhaps only "righteous anger" will break thru it. It's kinda like people are asleep in their beds and they are all having a nightmare and then they try to yell in their sleep but they can't and nothing comes out of their mouths, almost as if there is a membrane or a paralysis that inhibits them from yelling out in their sleep. Then, finally, they might manage to yell and then their yelling might wake them up. I'm still not sure what it's gonna take but nobody can yell for them. The time is over for gurus. The people can only be in-formed. It is they that must do the yelling themselves to break that membrane. The 'give peace a chance' rallies will just put people into a deeper sleep. It certainly seems to me that people must be objectively informed and then they must feel that anger with-in themselves.
 
Recently, I heard a co-worker repeat pretty much in the way an adult 'nags' a child into 'behaving' say: "There's no such thing as can't! Only won't!" Perhaps that's how it is for some people. They willfully and deliberately refuse to see anything, much less 'get' anything. It seems to be a deliberate choice on their part. A sad state of affairs, particularly as the ulitimate price they'll end up paying will most likely be high.
 
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