Members who have passed on to 5D

When we return to 5D, it is at the same level of awareness and knowledge you’ve gained in your just ceased incarnation.

So this would mean if you have a life of gaining nothing useful for your spiritual growth and the lessons you sought to learn were unlearned that you can actually go backwards or devolve and possibly even return to 2D or 1D consciousness.

Yeah, it's like 3D is the crucible in which we get to choose whether we will further inure ourselves in materialism, or try to move 'up' and beyond it in the other direction. Those who increase themselves in a materialistic perspective, would likely end up "fitting" more in a lower density.
 
Or perhaps; why did the universe divided itself in fractal consciousness when it was already one?

Apparently it does that repeatedly, over and over again. If everything is one, and everything knows everything, then yeah, why would there be a "need" to disburse out into all densities and dimensions? Supposedly it's for learning and growth and creativity. That implies that each time, there is something new created that was never experienced before. But if that has happened an infinite number of times, then surely everything that is possible to know or learn has already been known or learned? But, the concept of infinity also implies endless possibilities. It's a paradox for sure.
 
Because once we get to 3rd density it’s because we already graduated from 2D and learned what we needed to learn there.

I wonder about this idea of progressing "up" through densities. It seems to me that when everything was in 7D, the outraying that happens to populate the universe implies that all densities from 7 to 1 are "populated" at once, rather than everything going from 7 to 1 and then starting the trek upwards. So maybe it's the case that consciousness units "take their place" in different densities and move up or down from there.
 
I’ve often heard people say ‘in my next life I’m coming back as a cat, or a giraffe’ … may be they are???
When we consider that there are people who are so identified with animals that they conduct their social lives in that way, to the extent of insisting that other people treat them as 'cat people' or 'dog people' or whatnot, then it seems likely that such people have a consciousness that is 'oriented' towards becoming an animal, which may result in them actually becoming one in their next life, osit.

But, the concept of infinity also implies endless possibilities.
I'm reminded of the C's mention that they had "made history" with Laura and the group during the 20th Jan 1996 session by facilitating a clear channel transmission which had never been done in 3rd density before. Perhaps this is one of the consequences of a free will universe: events can happen which 7D consciousness cannot predict, even if aware of the possibility for such?

So maybe it's the case that consciousness units "take their place" in different densities and move up or down from there.
Yeah, this is how I see it as well.
 
I'm reminded of the C's mention that they had "made history" with Laura and the group during the 20th Jan 1996 session by facilitating a clear channel transmission which had never been done in 3rd density before.
Just for context, here's the part in the session mentioned by Ryan where the Cs say that history has been made. It's the session where they did the aural images of Laura and Frank at the board during the session:
Q: (L) Okay, guys, smile for the camera! {Aura photo of board is taken with L's and F's fingers on planchette.} (L) Okay, but that does not explain why I disappeared.

A: Because the energy field enclosure was unifying you with the conduit, as is usual during channeling sessions between 3rd and 6th density level communications.

Q: {Photo of board develops, and geometric figure appears to sounds of amazement from group} (L) What is this geometric figure?

a2cs.jpg


A: Was a visual representation of the conduit, indeed!!! The reason for such clear luminescence is that thought centers were clear and open in you at the moment of the photograph. In other words, there was an imbalance of energy coming from 6th density transmission point. So, what you are viewing is 100 per cent pure light energy of uncorrupted knowledge transmitted through you. This has never been seen in 3rd density ever before. You do not completely realize the ramifications of this yet, but you will. We have made history here tonight folks!!!!!
 
When we consider that there are people who are so identified with animals that they conduct their social lives in that way, to the extent of insisting that other people treat them as 'cat people' or 'dog people' or whatnot, then it seems likely that such people have a consciousness that is 'oriented' towards becoming an animal, which may result in them actually becoming one in their next life, osit.


I'm reminded of the C's mention that they had "made history" with Laura and the group during the 20th Jan 1996 session by facilitating a clear channel transmission which had never been done in 3rd density before. Perhaps this is one of the consequences of a free will universe: events can happen which 7D consciousness cannot predict, even if aware of the possibility for such?


Yeah, this is how I see it as well.

Re: Soul or No Soul: That is the Question


I think that the first thing to consider is that no being is entirely soul-less. That is, the question ought not to be framed as one who has or does not have a soul. Rather I think it is the "type" of soul. There are, apparently, discrete soul fragments of larger souls that do not have the development to retain that individuality, but rather go back and re-merge with the larger soul or group soul upon death; and then there are souls that have grown to the point that they are individuated and survive death as consciousness units. I think Gurdjieff perceived something about this and concluded that no people have souls at all unless they "work on themselves" and crystallize a soul in some way. (The Tamdgidi book goes into this a little bit.)

Years before I had my encounter with Gurdjieff, I had observed that there were a LOT of people that I simply called "cardboard cutouts" because they were "as deep as a thimble". It was puzzling to me how some people could be so "empty". Then, Gurdjieff came along in my reading and I tentatively accepted his description though, even then, I modified it because I was quite sure that reincarnation was a fact and G disavowed this idea.

Then, after some years of the Cs, they explicated the "organic portal" idea which made quite a bit more sense to me, especially after a long period studying psychopathology.

What the Cs said, basically, was that one could probably tell the nature of the being if they were "failures" but the really good ones were difficult.

The idea put forth in the book "Darkness Over Tibet" seemed to be useful: that there are ways you can tell a "soul on the way up or way down". The test was that if a person (or critter) could turn against someone who had helped them. In a sense, this goes along with G's "scratch test". However, after long consideration, I don't think that is as useful as one might think.

Now, you are speculating a bit.



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So, as I wrote above, as the Cs said, more or less, the ones you can "read" are the failures but the really good ones take awhile.

I don't know if the "signs" that you notice are particularly significant. For example, I like animal prints because I like animals in general and think that Nature has done a marvelous job clothing them. I would never use a real animal skin but I like some of their markings, like tigers and leopards and so on. I like fake fur, too because I like furriness in general but, again, I wouldn't have a real fur because it would involve harming a critter. I don't like and won't have snake-like prints around me because I don't like snakes. So I don't think this is quite as cut and dried as you would like it to be.

As to your statement about "reptilians that embody humans": Do you mean humans (really, organic portals) that derive from a reptilian gene pool or "reptilians" in the sense of 4D STS? In the latter case, I think that they only temporarily "embody humans", though in the former case, it might be accurate.

We actually have a rather long thread discussing this topic already and in a day or so, I think this new thread should be merged with the older one if someone can find it. And you should read it. We've gone over this quite a bit already and concluded that it really isn't that important to make a determination, just to know that it is possible and to take action when presented with certain situations and conditions; but then, to always leave the door open a crack.
 
Thanks for posting that, Wandering Star. I talking about the first paragraph of your post:
I think that the first thing to consider is that no being is entirely soul-less. That is, the question ought not to be framed as one who has or does not have a soul. Rather I think it is the "type" of soul. There are, apparently, discrete soul fragments of larger souls that do not have the development to retain that individuality, but rather go back and re-merge with the larger soul or group soul upon death; and then there are souls that have grown to the point that they are individuated and survive death as consciousness units. I think Gurdjieff perceived something about this and concluded that no people have souls at all unless they "work on themselves" and crystallize a soul in some way. (The Tamdgidi book goes into this a little bit.)
It's something that we should remember when talking about Organic Portals. They are not "soulless" but have only a fragment of a soul from a soul pool and not an individuated soul. Heck, as Laura has said many times, we all are Organic Portals until we seat an individuated soul.

I'm just bringing this up because I see many people here on the forum saying that Organic Portals are soulless.

fwiw
 
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