Men are just happier

[Approaching Infinity]

There is a massive difference in laughing with someone as opposed to laughing AT someone. The difference between this and the Muslim jokes doing the rounds is that we're laughing at them and not with them.

How can you laugh 'with' people who are not laughing?

 

[truth seeker]

Do you believe that men are happier than women?

I did not answer that question because I didn't think you were being serious. How does one answer such a question? What would you base your opinion on? Jokes?

Although the WOMAN who wrote the jokes says about men "What do you expect from such simple creatures?", which is about the most denigrating aspect of the whole post. Men are simple, and by intimation, women are complex.

The WOMAN who wrote the piece is bemoaning the difficulty of being a woman in a humorous fashion and is inviting us to laugh with her. If she was telling this to your face would you laugh with her or tear a strip off her? I choose to laugh with her.

There is a massive difference in laughing with someone as opposed to laughing AT someone. The difference between this and the Muslim jokes doing the rounds is that we're laughing at them and not with them.

The WOMAN in question said to me. "Richard if you're ever going to understand women you'd better read this book". It's slow going as you'll understand by the pic attached.

Guess what Richard, no one's laughing except you.

These are direct questions, are you here to learn? Have you read the forum guidelines at least once? You may either want to read or reread them and decide if this forum is for you. One thing is certain, however. Your usual manner of joking your way out of situations and sheer disregard for others won't be tolerated here. Your choice.

 

[SoCurious]

Richard, you're coming across as being completely incapable of actually looking at yourself and your own behavior. Can you see that - even just a little? I realize that asking that question after the demonstration you've given here of rigid self-referencing is a bit of a risk, but I have to ask.

Hi Anart,

Belay your fears. No risk at all. My behaviour is in defense of a post that I can identify with. We all have our foibles and we can hopefully laugh at them. In this light I can't see what the storm is all about.

Am I crazy defending the post? It wouldn't surprise me :)

Do I respect women? More than you can possibly imagine and certainly way more than the evidence thus far shown.

How do I feel? Like I'm being hunted down by a posse each of which is dying to try out the noose they got for Christmas.

 

[Lirpa]

You may not have noticed this thread is under the Tickle Me section and was written by a woman. You CAN laugh at stereotyping.

No offense was intended.

So following your logic, would it be okay to post a joke making fun of African Americans (or any other minority) in a derogatory manner if it was written by an African American?

Just because it was written by a woman does not validate it or make it funny. The author has bought into the programming herself which is common in a world run by men.

 

[SoCurious]

So following your logic, would it be okay to post a joke making fun of African Americans (or any other minority) in a derogatory manner if it was written by an African American?

Very good point. And no I wouldn't find it ok. I do however laugh at jokes made against men in general but I don't suppose that makes any difference.

Would you kindly tell me what parts you found to be derogatory of women?

 

[EmeraldHope]

So following your logic, would it be okay to post a joke making fun of African Americans (or any other minority) in a derogatory manner if it was written by an African American?

Very good point. And no I wouldn't find it ok. I do however laugh at jokes made against men in general but I don't suppose that makes any difference.

Would you kindly tell me what parts you found to be derogatory of women?

Is it not possible that men have been programmed negatively by our psychopathic society as well?


Would you say that an African American laughing at derogotory jokes about other African Americans justifies the joke he is laughing at about Mexicans?




Perhaps you have also identified with the aggressor? Many hints have been given to you in this thread to start connecting the dots. It seems that you are missing the line of force behind what is being said to you here, and are looking at a few trees and missing the forrest.




edit- spelling

 

[anart]

Hi Anart,

Belay your fears. No risk at all.

Sheesh, Richard - you really can't stop, can you? I have no fears regarding this, so your subtle sarcasm can also stop. The risk I spoke of is that my question would be wholly lost on you. That is exactly what happened.

My behaviour is in defense of a post that I can identify with.

It's not so much about the post, Richard. It's about your subsequent behavior in this thread. Can you grasp that?

We all have our foibles and we can hopefully laugh at them. In this light I can't see what the storm is all about.

This 'storm' is about your complete inability to look at yourself through the eyes of others and to actually listen to input given in your best interest.

Am I crazy defending the post? It wouldn't surprise me :)

It's not about being crazy, and it's really - really - not funny. Please re-read the forum guidelines right now and decide whether or not Working on yourself is what you want to do. If it is not, then finding another forum on which to spend your time is the wise move.

Do I respect women? More than you can possibly imagine and certainly way more than the evidence thus far shown.

Why would that be believed when you don't even respect this forum enough to actually listen to - and to take in - the input that has been given to you. Words are cheap, it is actions that count and your actions here indicate that you are a man who respects nothing other than himself.

How do I feel? Like I'm being hunted down by a posse each of which is dying to try out the noose they got for Christmas.

Then you aren't seeing anything as it is (which is the base problem to begin with) and you can't get yourself out of the way long enough to even consider the very basic idea that you have it all wrong. Honestly, enough is enough.

 

[SoCurious]

Then you aren't seeing anything as it is (which is the base problem to begin with) and you can't get yourself out of the way long enough to even consider the very basic idea that you have it all wrong.

You're probably right. I will need to do some major work.

 

[herondancer]

Just because it was written by a woman does not validate it or make it funny. The author has bought into the programming herself which is common in a world run by men.

Thanks, April. That was just the point I wanted to bring up. She has bought the programming hook, line and sinker. You'd think the consciousness-raising women's groups of the '70's had never happened. :(

 

[NormaRegula]

Hey Richard,

I'm a woman and once thought somewhat like the woman who wrote this piece you posted...although I must admit deep down that I was just angry and becoming cynical about how men and women think and treat each other. Being raised as many of us here are on the BBM to view pathological behavior as normal, it's not surprising that you and the writer might find this piece to be funny.

You might want to take a look at this thread: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,14546.0.html

Please look closely at the bottom part of the list that reads: How to Make a Man Happy. Observe the initial comments. At first, I laughed with a few of the posters when I read the list, then rolled my eyes because I had bought into the idea that this was normal thinking for men and a put-down of needy women. After reading the comments - especially the one by Heimdallr - and understanding how the PTB have worked for thousands of years to program men and women to be at odds with one another via sexual power games and subtle and not-so-subtle put-downs, I started to seriously rethink man/woman relationships.

I encourage you to take Laura's advice and read Cleckley's "Caricature of Love". Start with this thread on the subject before you do: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=21284.0

 

[ocean59]

Would you kindly tell me what parts you found to be derogatory of women?

It's easy. All you have to do, is read each item one at a time and ask yourself "Why does this result in unhappiness for women?" And then think about the answer for a little while. Then, ask yourself again "Is it really funny?"

Your last name stays put.

Many women choose to now keep their last name - and they have gotten no shortage of flack for this. This reinforces the concept that a woman's right to choose her last name should not exist.

The garage is all yours.
You don't have to stop and think of which way to turn a nut on a bolt.

Many women are mechanically apt these days, and many of them receive a VERY hard time for it in the workplace and elsewhere.

You can be President.

Seriously? This needs to be explained?

You can never be pregnant.

So pregnancy = unhappiness. That is an offensive concept - pregnancy should in concept and practice be the happiest time possible of a woman - and preferably also her partner's life. Stigmas abound about this as well. But there is no need to laugh about a woman's life being made miserable in a male-dominated world during pregnancy - it's just awful.

You can wear a white T-shirt to a water park.
You can wear NO shirt to a water park.

And again, why is it that women cannot do these things, and why does it cause them unhappiness? This is the most basic concept being expressed repeatedly in the original post. And it really isn't funny - regardless of who wrote it, or their gender, or their background, or whether or not they have a phd in comedy. It is reinforcing the concept of unhappiness being the norm for over 3 billion people - and they aren't examples of quirks in personality - they are mostly examples that are purely the result of ages of repressive control and male dominance. This is why so many people aren't finding it funny - because it really is a serious issue, that is causing very real unhappiness for very real people! And has been for a very long time now!

Yet, you seem not able to grasp this, and keep making jokes, and more jokes, some of which were also offensive! Particularly the message ending with the book picture - implying that the problem here is a generalized inability for anyone to understand a woman (because we ALL know how difficult that is - !? ) when in reality the problem is apparently either an inability or unwillingness to see yourself as you are being seen by others - even just the faintest glint. Osit.

[edit - changed 'an ability' to 'apparently either an inability or unwillingness']

 

[Al Today]

Your last name stays put.

Many women choose to now keep their last name - and they have gotten no shortage of flack for this. This reinforces the concept that a woman's right to choose her last name should not exist.

Over 30 years ago, my wife & I discussed this very same issue. And even me taking on her name. Heck, we could've completely changed our name to anything at marriage. If I remember correctly, , I didn't really care and we played with the societal perceptions. So... She just replaced her middle name with her last name. We were and still probably are "weird".
:) :) :)

 

[SoCurious]

At no stage did I wish to cause offense. Sometimes it's difficult to know exactly what is hurtful to others so to all those that these remarks hurt, please accept my heartfelt apologies.

 

[HiThere]

I found some of the remarks funny and some of the others stereotyped, but didn't stop to think of it as particularily offensive in a serious manner. But if one tries to make a joke and it is not recieved in the manner it was meant to, the only good course of action is to apologize, in my experience. :)

 

[shijing]

Hithere, did you understand the thrust of the responses that Richard got to his initial post -- what it is about the content that's not funny?