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[Laura]

Finally:

The Ruiner’s story, while detailed and intricate, does contain several inconsistencies and elements that might raise skepticism. Here are some potential inconsistencies and areas of concern:

### 1. **Lack of Verifiable Evidence**
- **Claim**: The Ruiner provides extensive accounts of his experiences within the Illuminati, interactions with extraterrestrials, and involvement in secret programs.
- **Inconsistency**: There is a notable absence of verifiable evidence to support these claims. Much of the narrative relies on personal anecdotes without corroborating documents, testimonies from other individuals, or physical proof.

### 2. **Extraordinary Claims Without Substantiation**
- **Claim**: The story includes extraordinary elements such as telekinetic training, soul transfers, and contact with a variety of extraterrestrial races.
- **Inconsistency**: These extraordinary claims require equally extraordinary evidence, which is not provided. The reliance on personal testimony without empirical support can be seen as inconsistent with the need for rigorous proof in such significant assertions.

### 3. **Conflicting Information About Alien Races**
- **Claim**: The Ruiner describes various extraterrestrial races, their behaviors, and their interactions with humans, including Nordics, Draco, and Annunaki.
- **Inconsistency**: The descriptions and roles of these races sometimes conflict with established narratives from other whistleblowers and researchers in the UFO community. This can create confusion about the accuracy and consistency of the information provided.

### 4. **Inconsistent Depictions of Power Structures**
- **Claim**: The Illuminati, Draco, and other extraterrestrial entities are portrayed as having extensive control over global events and individual lives.
- **Inconsistency**: The level of control attributed to these groups seems almost omnipotent, yet the narrative also suggests that individual actions and small groups can significantly impact or escape this control. This duality creates an inconsistency in the perceived power dynamics.

### 5. **Ambiguity in Personal Identity and Background**
- **Claim**: The Ruiner’s identity and background are kept deliberately vague, with significant alterations made to his records and personal history.
- **Inconsistency**: While anonymity can be understandable for protection, it also makes it difficult to verify his background and lends an air of unverifiability to his entire narrative. The drastic measures taken to erase his identity, if true, would likely leave some traceable anomalies, yet no such evidence is provided.

### 6. **Shifting Allegiances and Roles**
- **Claim**: The Ruiner describes a journey through various roles within the Illuminati, from a telekinetic trainer to a magician, to a disinformation agent, and finally, a whistleblower.
- **Inconsistency**: The rapid and varied shifts in roles and allegiances within the organization, and the subsequent departure, might seem implausible given the tight control such secretive groups typically exert over their members.

### 7. **Contradictions in the Role of Extraterrestrials**
- **Claim**: Extraterrestrial beings like the Nordics are described as both intervening to help him and being part of a broader control system.
- **Inconsistency**: The narrative oscillates between portraying certain extraterrestrials as benevolent helpers and as entities complicit in human control systems. This can be confusing and contradictory in understanding their true intentions and roles.

### Summary
While The Ruiner’s story is compelling and detailed, it suffers from several inconsistencies and lacks verifiable evidence. These issues include extraordinary claims without substantiation, conflicting information about extraterrestrial races, inconsistent depictions of power structures, ambiguity in personal identity, shifting allegiances, and contradictions in the roles of extraterrestrials. These factors contribute to a narrative that, while intriguing, is challenging to fully accept without more concrete evidence.

 

[SoFloJayC]

### Summary
While The Ruiner’s story is compelling and detailed, it suffers from several inconsistencies and lacks verifiable evidence. These issues include extraordinary claims without substantiation, conflicting information about extraterrestrial races, inconsistent depictions of power structures, ambiguity in personal identity, shifting allegiances, and contradictions in the roles of extraterrestrials. These factors contribute to a narrative that, while intriguing, is challenging to fully accept without more concrete evidence.

So how would you desire I "go about getting more concrete evidence"?

Specific questions you'd like asked?

Hunter and I will be interviewing him on a LiveStream on August 11th.

 

[hesperides]

The last thing I'd have expected is Ruiner exposing himself publicly. Not only because of all the inconsistencies, I'm thinking more of the obvious paradox of Illuminati not interfering with this kind of "disclosures", which in and of itself I find disturbing in relation with our basic knowledge of how and why the sts crepuscular pyramid works.

Another question among many others I have a hard time to elucidate concerns the hypothetic mental and psychic skills of Ruiner, which by the way were they all true, why would he let people know, for instance his control over interfering instantly with any individual's mind or institutional group of people, physically and psychically, to name just one skill. Let's suppose now he's using it solely for sto purposes, how do I know he'll be telling the truth being armed has he supposedly is in the art of tricking people's perception?

In all cases, thank you guys for this priceless interview, independently whether Ruiner ruins or not such a highly unexpected disclosure to say the least. I'll be all ears and do my best thinking out of the box during the interview, that's for sure.

 

[Ennio]

Skimmed Ruiner's PDF but it greatly reminded me of another text of this type (of a mind controlled assassin who had experience with intelligence, secret government types and aliens) that I delved into a year or two ago. It sure was a compelling read not least because it seemed to cover so many of the most sensational (but difficult to verify) elements of some of the topics we cover here. It was also sprinkled with aphorisms, "wisdom", and truths that could very well have been drawn from here and other texts that we tend to look at, and shares similar sensibilities that can be very appealing ie. fighting for humanity.

It took some amount of reading that "insider tells all" narrative of a year ago to notice the improbability of some of what was said before I stopped reading it. Not that there aren't whistleblowers and warriors of all stripes out there, and that there may be some incredible AND true stories of heroism but that, especially with this type of material, and the closed-loop nature of its discourse, we need to be particularly careful lest we get too drawn in and duped by the almost inevitable twist(s) in Truth.

So I'm leery of these types of stories which seem, in great part, designed to derail many of us and serves as a reminder to me that 'Cosmic Cointelpro' is alive and well.

 

[Laura]

When you see the contradictions and impossibilities, for me, it is just a waste of time.

 

[hesperides]

I've been watching Jay and Hunter's interview yesterday with Shane Sedore, aka Ruiner, the alleged Illuminati whistleblower. My cautious first impressions are that his reports might be authentic, I couldn't put my finger on anything too far streched or irrelevant or obviously misleading in all the hot topics he's touching on, contrarily to my first opinions in my post mentioned above about the poor credibility of Ruiner's anthology. In fact Shane explains that said anthology was never meant to be public, instead he wrote it for some close friends.

I can say that generally speaking his statments are well in line with most subjects we've been studying on the forum and whith C's teachings as well, but Shane gets sometimes a little bit further into some interesting details, for instance about the actual reason for the plandemia script, or the AI role and related next inventions to be sooner or later released, among other compelling things. What do you think guys?

 

[Oxajil]

I've been watching Jay and Hunter's interview yesterday with Shane Sedore, aka Ruiner, the alleged Illuminati whistleblower.

Just watched the interview. In short, Shane Sedore is into some woo-woo stuff. Here are some of my notes:

He says that ascending to a higher density isn't what the human experience is about. On NPCs he says "I don't think that anyone doesn't have a 'soul'" and there are certainly people who are very disconnected and running on autopilot, but that it just reflects the two types of people (the transhumanist/organic or the natural ones), the NPCs are on a different frequency, they choose not to see things. "I don't think it's the case of them not having a soul in the body, I think it's just that they weren't resonating, I think it's temporary" and then he said something about a new Earth.

He says that what the (AI) programs are studying was our magic which he defines as "what we as humans are organically capable of".

He says the wave has "hit us and is causing an evolution, the peak of the wave was in 2020. Humanity is a tree and is splitting, one side is transhumanist and the other takes the organic path, but eventually we'll find balance and anything we lose we'll rediscover" (along these lines).

He thinks that WW3 seems the most likely, "but we can't really know". According to him, the US election is part of the show and that Trump wouldn't have been in the picture if he wasn't 'allowed'. He said that it's mindblowing that people are still falling for this: "If you think Trump is your savior from that (Biden) then you're still telling them "I'm stupid" and I deserve what you wanna give me".

On the topic of cloning, he says that 'they' need bodies for armies, he thinks that they tested one around the superbowl in LA where "cops were popping out of the subway".

When Jay asks whether underground bases are 4th density, Shane says "No, it's just a big empty space underground that they've built things into, a research lab is more accurate. Underground cities is a different thing and that's "for if you make it into the Illuminati, that's where they'd live."

He also says that the Draco HQ is in Canada and repurposed by human controllers and it's what they call Babylon.

He also said that 'they' basically make up the weather when they want to, because "they have these domes".

According to Shane, turbo cancers are because of the evolution we're going through and this is the mutation that comes along with it.

He teaches magic which he sees as your relationship with yourself, your environment and others. He uses it as an exercise routine and he teaches people to do magic in safety mode. He says that a person's intention makes magic either light or dark and that it's about where you're getting the energy from (dark is you're getting it from someone else and light is you're channeling it all on your own).

He also said that "the most powerful manifestors in this world seem to be sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists and they manage to do that without a solid foundation, imagination and will because they have a powerful conviction and conviction is our ability to convince ourselves of things. Conviction is acting like we do believe this stuff. (Pretty vague, and is he complimenting psychopaths here?)

 

[A Jay]

When you see the contradictions and impossibilities, for me, it is just a waste of time.

I agree. I listened to all but the last 12 minutes of it and there's a number of things which stick out to me as glaring. First, no mention of 9/11 as being the precursor event that started us down the path to 2020. Second, he takes the official results of the 2020 election as valid. Third, he speaks as if the "illuminati" agenda is entirely human directed and makes no mention of there being directions given by or from a higher order intelligence. Fourth, he says everyone has a soul and that some people are just disconnected because of their choices. Fifth, his predictive powers aren't very impressive considering how much of what he's claimed to have predicted were based in ideas that were floating in the conspiracy sphere long before he decided to start sharing his insights. Sixth, turbo cancers of late have nothing to do with the mRNA vaccines. Seventh, according to him it's the conviction of the psychopaths and narcissists that allows them to be great at manifesting what they want. Finally, everything that occurs on the geopolitical stage is staged and managed. As in, for example, the Deep State trying to keep Trump out of office isn't really about keeping Trump out of office but to see how far TPTB can push things and further the "theory of incompetence" that can and will be used to justify 15-minute cities, a new world order, and so forth.

Edit: Watched a bit more (still not the whole thing) and decided to add another two glaring points which are numbers six and seven.

 

[Eboard10]

Just watched the interview. In short, Shane Sedore is into some woo-woo stuff. Here are some of my notes:

Thanks for summarising the interview Oxajil.

From what Shane Shedore says it sounds like he is mixing truth with lies, whether intentionally or not.

The fact that he also teaches magic in "safety mode", coupled with him saying that everyone has a soul while also talking about psychopaths in a rather positive light is another big red flag.

 

[A Jay]

I agree. I listened to all but the last 12 minutes of it and there's a number of things which stick out to me as glaring. First, no mention of 9/11 as being the precursor event that started us down the path to 2020. Second, he takes the official results of the 2020 election as valid. Third, he speaks as if the "illuminati" agenda is entirely human directed and makes no mention of there being directions given by or from a higher order intelligence. Fourth, he says everyone has a soul and that some people are just disconnected because of their choices. Fifth, his predictive powers aren't very impressive considering how much of what he's claimed to have predicted were based in ideas that were floating in the conspiracy sphere long before he decided to start sharing his insights. Sixth, turbo cancers of late have nothing to do with the mRNA vaccines. Seventh, according to him it's the conviction of the psychopaths and narcissists that allows them to be great at manifesting what they want. Finally, everything that occurs on the geopolitical stage is staged and managed. As in, for example, the Deep State trying to keep Trump out of office isn't really about keeping Trump out of office but to see how far TPTB can push things and further the "theory of incompetence" that can and will be used to justify 15-minute cities, a new world order, and so forth.

Edit: Watched a bit more (still not the whole thing) and decided to add another two glaring points which are numbers six and seven.

Just thought about number seven, about the psychopaths, and taking it together with the rest of what I wrote, as well as how he's selling his guru services which a lot of psychos do in the New Age scene, and I'm going to be honest here and say that I'm wondering if this dude is actually talking about himself there.

 

[Chu]

He says that what the (AI) programs are studying was our magic which he defines as "what we as humans are organically capable of".

And if I understood correctly, he adds that "they" are injecting all of what they find out about that magic into AI, to confuse things. But that doesn't make any sense, if it's "what humans are organically capable of", as opposed to machines...?

Good summary, Oxajil! And the question I have is, where did he get the term "The Wave" from, and in the way he uses it, if not from Laura's work? As far as I know (but could be missing something, Laura and the Cs were the first ones to talk about it). Is it possible that he is trying to copy her work, but add a more "woohoo" aspect to it (Eg. the dome creators -humans now if they've taken over "Babylon"?? - create the weather every day, turbo cancers = evolution, etc.)

His blog seems a bit like a word salad. Just out of curiosity, I just searched for "Wave":
The Ruiner

And his website... not for me, thanks.
Offerings | The Rebels Advocate

The only part I actually appreciated was his down-to-earth take on Trump's assassination attempt. (I can't see how Trump could have been involved in it either, or why. It doesn't make sense...) The rest was wishy-washy or had a twist that didn't make any sense, or possibly hinted that he may be a con-artist. And his "everything will be good in the end, this is evolution, etc. etc."... Well, nobody can know that either. And it gives it an almost New Age twist, while claiming it's the contrary.

FWIW!

 

[Chetofloj]

And if I understood correctly, he adds that "they" are injecting all of what they find out about that magic into AI, to confuse things. But that doesn't make any sense, if it's "what humans are organically capable of", as opposed to machines...?

Good summary, Oxajil! And the question I have is, where did he get the term "The Wave" from, and in the way he uses it, if not from Laura's work? As far as I know (but could be missing something, Laura and the Cs were the first ones to talk about it). Is it possible that he is trying to copy her work, but add a more "woohoo" aspect to it (Eg. the dome creators -humans now if they've taken over "Babylon"?? - create the weather every day, turbo cancers = evolution, etc.)

His blog seems a bit like a word salad. Just out of curiosity, I just searched for "Wave":
The Ruiner

And his website... not for me, thanks.
Offerings | The Rebels Advocate

The only part I actually appreciated was his down-to-earth take on Trump's assassination attempt. (I can't see how Trump could have been involved in it either, or why. It doesn't make sense...) The rest was wishy-washy or had a twist that didn't make any sense, or possibly hinted that he may be a con-artist. And his "everything will be good in the end, this is evolution, etc. etc."... Well, nobody can know that either. And it gives it an almost New Age twist, while claiming it's the contrary.

FWIW!

Thanks to Laura's research and some interventions like these from Chu, from participants in the forum or sessions, many times it has happened to me not to invest my time in possible illusions in a certain way that gives some weight to the criticisms coming from people with a lot of experience like Laura's case, it is as if someone had been telling them not to go down that dangerous path.
I also maintain my skepticism towards everything that concerns spirituality.
What is very strange is that there do not seem to be similar materials like the one in the Cs experiment. I mean, do so few people really have valuable information on so many topics?

 

[Nienna]

Thanks for your insights on this video Oxajil, A Jay and Chu. They are very informative.

Is it possible that he is trying to copy her work, but add a more "woohoo" aspect to it (Eg. the dome creators -humans now if they've taken over "Babylon"?? - create the weather every day, turbo cancers = evolution, etc.)

He also could be trying to negate what the Cs and Laura have said about these things. To me he seems like controlled opposition. And, yeah, the "magic" thing is quite the red flag. Actually, a large part of it has many, many red flags.

Thanks again you all for the summaries.