Mike Gravel for President of the United States of America.

[Renaissance]

He has Ideas to stop the Killing in Iraq so don't be too pessimistic.

The 'get out of Iraq' campaign isn't near enough. My new 'democrat' Senator on the face is very 'progressive' and says everything you'd want to hear about the Bush administration and Iraq. However, he got in office with a lot of funding by the Israeli lobby and supports their issues, particularly 'leaving all options on the table in regards to Iran.' The movement to end the Iraq war seems likely to be a strategy to enter Iran. My same senator recently said he couldn't ever see going to war with Iran under the current conditions - it makes me wonder what Israel has cooking to change the current conditions.

I did like what Gravel had to say, but I think if anyone has some pessimism it's warranted - and even healthy.

 

[Dan]

I suppose my question from the start should have been, Is there not a candidate that is not in bed with the Israeli lobby? I suppose I don't give a damn about who becomes president of this corrupt land people call Amerika. I come from a different place so I can always go back there. But I would like for the American Empire to get the hell out of Iraq and of course to not go to Iran. So whichever candidate yells that the loudest will have my vote.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

I suppose I don't give a damn about who becomes president of this corrupt land people call Amerika. I come from a different place so I can always go back there.

And where would that be, Mars? If not, whether you like it or not, you're stuck in the same boat as Americans and everyone else. Before WWII countries around Germany also said who cares what happens in Germany, I'm not in Germany, I'm safe. And look how utterly wrong they were. Why do you make the same naive mistake when the lessons of the past are available for you to learn from? Did you read ponerology?

Also, your "not giving a damn" is indicative of your own ponerization, how if it doesn't happen to you, it is irrelevant. If it's not on your doorstep, who cares? This is why many people allow what happens to Iraq and all around the world continue to happen - their empathy is turned off as long as their personal bubble of comfort is not disturbed.

But I would like for the American Empire to get the hell out of Iraq and of course to not go to Iran. So whichever candidate yells that the loudest will have my vote.

Did you forget what GWBush has been yelling before he was elected in 2000? How American army is never to be used for "nation building" etc? In your reasoning you seem to have left out the fact that psychopaths lie, they lie all the time. One minute they can sound sensible, reasonable, and caring, the next minute everything they said goes right out the window and they do the exact opposite. Their words and actions never match, and whoever becomes the next president is irrelevant - he WILL do what serves the PTB as long as the PTB/pathocracy still exists. As Laura says, you can take that to the bank.

Doesn't matter what Gravel wants. Even if he really isn't a psychopath, as president he'll either do as he is told, or he will be finished. If he doesn't have the intentions of the PTB, he won't even be sponsored, he won't be elected in the first place. Having been in politics for as long as he has, he knows this, knows it well.

 

[Dan]

You are so correct ScioAgapeOmnis. How could I've been so stupid. All along I suspected Bush and his cabal were the very worst mankind had to offer, But I had never read Ponerology hence my ignorance on psychopaths and such. I was only joking about being from a different place. I know there is no place to hide or run to. GWbush said he'll find me and smoke me out like a varmint. Oh and now i know that the PTB are watching.

 

[yoyos]

EDIT: For everyone's benifit, I'm disclaiming this post. I don't want to just delete the contents...because that would be shady. However, I must disclaimer this post at this point because certain things have come to my attention that has made me realize the stupidity of such a post. Please disregard pretty much everything that I said here. I was acting on an emotional impulse and it just made me look stupid. So, that's the disclaimer fwiw.

Their words and actions never match, and whoever becomes the next president is irrelevant - he WILL do what serves the PTB as long as the PTB/pathocracy still exists. As Laura says, you can take that to the bank.

Doesn't matter what Gravel wants. Even if he really isn't a psychopath, as president he'll either do as he is told, or he will be finished. If he doesn't have the intentions of the PTB, he won't even be sponsored, he won't be elected in the first place. Having been in politics for as long as he has, he knows this, knows it well.

Okay, then what about www.ni4d.us? Seems like that’s something the PTB wouldn’t want to see come to fruition. A vote for Mike Gravel is a vote for his National Initiative idea. Who gives a crap who the next president is going to be? Gravel is talking about making people lawmakers! That’s obviously the main point…and “he knows this, knows it well.”

So what’s the problem with Mike Gravel again? I couldn’t understand clearly what the issue with him is. Oh what? Just give up. “Hey everyone, forgot about it. The PTB has everything under wraps…don’t even bother to cast your symbolic vote. It’s always going to be like this, they are going to initiate their plans anyway so whatever you guys think of is pointless.” Is that the kind of thinking we are all supposed to ingest? I’m sorry, but FU pal. That’s pathocratic to the T. We should just all give up and wait for the slaughter, huh? ScioAgapeOmnis, have YOU read ponerology?

he WILL do what serves the PTB as long as the PTB/pathocracy still exists.

Okay, smarty pants. I don’t know why, but I seriously, have issues with people that display attitudes like the one you display here. What’s your brilliant idea to get rid of the PTB/pathocracy then? What? Have us believe that PP is going to be as popular as the Bible? LMAO!!! Get real buddy!

Eh? The 'sheep' are still hypnotized. They haven't won anything. Maybe they never will except being 'slaughtered' by those in charge. I believe you are too optomistic.

So, clearly…PP on it’s own isn’t going to make the kind of impact necessary to remove the PTB/pathocracy from existence (as you put it) any time soon. I don’t really feel like waiting till I’m on my death bed to see the pathocracy removed from existence. I’m ready to do all I can right now! I’m not a scared little man that doesn’t have the conviction to stand up for what’s right.

So, besides the music to my ears that is the www.ni4d.us, ScioAgapeOmnis, what ideas do you have in suggestion to get rid of this pathocracy? You seem to be in the same boat as the rest of us wanting that.

So, let’s hear it. Share your brilliant ideas with us. If you don’t have any, I suggest you refrain from (what I would consider) ridiculing the only brilliant idea out there. STO ideas/concepts should be promoted heavily (like you guys are trying to do with PP) not ridiculed! Helloooo, can anyone say STS?!

I’ve learned from SOTT, that ridicule is THE #1 tactic used by COINTELPRO. So, you’re not doing yourself or SOTT a favor by writing your thoughts the way you have – care to clarify your message?

What’s your MO? My guess is if you didn’t have one, you’d be just as interested as I and every other “normal” human being about Mike Gravel’s National Initiative. I’ve never heard of such a revolutionary concept in my life and I don’t even know if it’s possible to implement! All I know is that the idea itself displays characteristics of the very essence of STO!!!!!!!!!! What more can someone ask for?

Why are you so negative dude? ‘The world is gonna end’ mentality got you scared to actually DO anything besides post comments on Internet forums? Yoyos, there’s a whole world out there outside of the WWW. WTF, are we people supposed to do? Just sit here and type away while TSHTF?! Save me the BS, will you? I’m not posting here for shits and giggles. I actually care very much about the American people. Yea, they are ignorant and ponerized…so what? I was too…probably am still to some degree. By no means, does that fact mean that they all should go off to be slaughtered by the PTB…just like the Iraqis and Palestinians and everyone else that has suffered.

Let me hear an idea yo. Give it to me. Gravel is providing me with plenty. All you are doing is acting on the behest of the very wants of the PTB….silencing ANY thing that will create ‘real’ (aka not on the Internet) change. How much more 'real' can you get than the National Initiative? Screw the Internet…it’s not going to hydrate, feed, or cloth me….but the businesses that are dependent on the economy of the U.S. government DO provide all those things.

“No worries folks, no worries…just read PP and you’ll be all set.” Are you serious? My HEART is yelling at me, “No, they are obviously not serious at all. I feel like I’m being toyed with.” Should I trust my heart or my brain which is susceptible to ponerization?




Well, let’s hear what you have to say about all this….I am looking forward to the replies that will convince me of your service-to-others nature. If my comments here have been ‘out of line’, then I’ll be glad, very glad actually, to apologize to you when I come to that understanding, but it will require some effort on your part for that to occur…

 

[dant]

YoYo: You are quoting the wrong person. It is Dan, not dant! Please correct it.

 

[Beau]

So what’s the problem with Mike Gravel again? I couldn’t understand clearly what the issue with him is. Oh what? Just give up. “Hey everyone, forgot about it. The PTB has everything under wraps…don’t even bother to cast your symbolic vote. It’s always going to be like this, they are going to initiate their plans anyway so whatever you guys think of is pointless.” Is that the kind of thinking we are all supposed to ingest? I’m sorry, but FU pal. That’s pathocratic to the T. We should just all give up and wait for the slaughter, huh? ScioAgapeOmnis, have YOU read ponerology?

Excuse me? Have YOU bothered to read the rules of THIS forum? This abusive behavior you are exhibiting will not be tolerated.

he WILL do what serves the PTB as long as the PTB/pathocracy still exists.

Okay, smarty pants. I don’t know why, but I seriously, have issues with people that display attitudes like the one you display here. What’s your brilliant idea to get rid of the PTB/pathocracy then? What? Have us believe that PP is going to be as popular as the Bible? LMAO!!! Get real buddy!

You are abusive, and you are trying to set up SAO by saying if he can't come up with an idea that satisfies you the way Gravel does then his words mean nothing. That is illogical. You are emotionally connected to your beliefs, and it comes out in your posts. Why don't you just come out and say that Political Ponerology is garbage and solves nothing? It's evident that you harbor ill feelings towards the book and all the theories that have come about from it. You are exhibiting covert-aggressive behavior and trying to manipulate others. Don't expect to continue posting here if you are going to continue berating others in such a belligerent manner.

Share your brilliant ideas with us. If you don’t have any, I suggest you refrain from (what I would consider) ridiculing the only brilliant idea out there. STO ideas/concepts should be promoted heavily (like you guys are trying to do with PP) not ridiculed! Helloooo, can anyone say STS?!

No, I suggest you refrain from trying to bully other people on this forum. You have no idea what the concepts of STS/STO are.

I’ve learned from SOTT, that ridicule is THE #1 tactic used by COINTELPRO. So, you’re not doing yourself or SOTT a favor by writing your thoughts the way you have – care to clarify your message?

There is a difference between ridicule and healthy criticism. Why should anyone clarify their message to a belligerent manipulator like you? I wouldn't even consider it if I were SAO.

What’s your MO? My guess is if you didn’t have one, you’d be just as interested as I and every other “normal” human being about Mike Gravel’s National Initiative. I’ve never heard of such a revolutionary concept in my life and I don’t even know if it’s possible to implement! All I know is that the idea itself displays characteristics of the very essence of STO!!!!!!!!!! What more can someone ask for?

Your idea of what STO is so off base it's comical. Your poor little sacred cow, Gravel, isn't being looked upon positively and look at the hissy fit you throw. Grow up!

Why are you so negative dude? ‘The world is gonna end’ mentality got you scared to actually DO anything besides post comments on Internet forums? Yoyos, there’s a whole world out there outside of the WWW. WTF, are we people supposed to do? Just sit here and type away while TSHTF?! Save me the BS, will you? I’m not posting here for shits and giggles. I actually care very much about the American people. Yea, they are ignorant and ponerized…so what? I was too…probably am still to some degree. By no means, does that fact mean that they all should go off to be slaughtered by the PTB…just like the Iraqis and Palestinians and everyone else that has suffered.

That's manipulative. You are putting words in people's mouths. No one said that people should be slaughtered by anyone. The only thing you seem to care about are your oh-so-precious beliefs.

Let me hear an idea yo. Give it to me. Gravel is providing me with plenty.

It's obvious your cup is full. You have no room for ideas which are not congruent with your set beliefs. If I were SAO, I wouldn't waste any time sharing any ideas with someone like you.

Well, let’s hear what you have to say about all this….I am looking forward to the replies that will convince me of your service-to-others nature. If my comments here have been ‘out of line’, then I’ll be glad, very glad actually, to apologize to you when I come to that understanding, but it will require some effort on your part for that to occur…

I'm not going to try and convince you of anything. It's up to you to understand. It's possible your self-righteous attitude will get in the way of any understanding though. I won't hold my breath.

 

[yoyos]

YoYo: You are quoting the wrong person. It is Dan, not dant! Please correct it.

Sorry, my b. haha, actually it's not Dan either =) It was Ruth...

 

[anart]

yoyos, Beau is correct. Your response to SAO was wholly inappropriate and bordering on abusive, for which you can, and possibly should, be removed from this forum.

Also, it might help you to understand that every human being on this planet who eats food, or wants anything at all is STS. No third density human being on planet earth is STO - that is not how it works.

It has become evident that you would be very well served to do MUCH MORE reading and MUCH LESS posting - that is, if you are sincere, and if you intend to remain an active member of this forum.

It is my sense at this point that you may not be sincere - that you may have an agenda for being here and behaving the way you do. If that is the case, then time will tell.

 

[yoyos]

Hi beau,

FWIW: I apologize for my behavior…especially to ScioAgapeOmnis.

Forum member j0da, has brought something to my attention in another thread:

Hi j0da,

Yoyos, I think you would do well by calming down a bit, take some time and come back when you are cool. Emotions of course serve their role, but in this case they seem to cloud your perception. Really, there is no haste.

It's ok to be uncertain - it just means one hasn't enough data so he refrains from judgement until more information is available. I think you could try practicing this - being uncertain. By expanding your ability to confront uncertainty you have a good chance of avoiding serious traps, which await people who desperately jump to concusions in order to have something solid.

Thanks for the advice…I needed that. I think I’ll take a few days to chill chills a little bit. I’m definitely all fired up right now and my ability to serve others is probably being hindered tremendously. My deepest thanks goes out to you j0da for the hint. I apologize to everyone for being fired up so much and for acting so brazenly. Please forgive me in those respects...

I replied to Scio immediately after I replied to Laura in the thread I just quoted from. j0da called me on it, and I didn’t even know my problem until then. So, I am truly sorry for being such an abusive prick. I am merely human. I’m not perfect; I have emotions and get upset.

I’ll have to scratch that post and try to convey my thoughts more appropriately.

 

[PopHistorian]

yoyos, the way I see it, focusing on presidential candidates doesn't matter at all. They're all well vetted and representing their masters. It also doesn't matter what they say unless there are corroborative actions -- and it certainly doesn't matter if there are conflicting actions (as is obvious for most of them). Look, for example, at how Clinton won by grabbing union votes at the last minute because he said he'd never go along with NAFTA. Almost the first thing he did after election was go along with NAFTA, saying, "I decided it was the right thing to do." Then look at all he did to grab power for the executive branch. He incrementally aided totalitarianism at home and the NWO abroad, certainly just as he was planned to do. Look at the all the killing he did in Iraq and the Balkans. Yet "liberal" people still adore him and want him back, oblivious of his heinous crimes against freedom and against them.

Trying to educate people (who are asking questions) about pathocracy is fine -- that's doing something, at least. We on the forum are, hopefully, advancing each other's knowledge, helping each other to understand our objective reality -- that's doing something. But touting presidential candidates as agents of change? As I see it, that's touting closely held tools of the pathocracy. It suggests misunderstanding, IMO. Passion is cool -- maybe harness it by channeling it into your own ideas, and passing them by a network like this one is helpful, but we can't get too upset and let the emotional center go wild if others have a vastly different take on them. Usually, when that happens, there's something or other to learn from it. Just my opinion.