That makes sense! Higher frequency = more information packed into the same space...
Mind-Blowing AI Image Generator - Give Visual Representation to C's Concepts?
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That makes sense! Higher frequency = more information packed into the same space...
Yes, more or less. But more frequency also means you can process more data. As in microprocessors where the higher the frequency you can process more instructions in less time.
Perhaps, but it may be easier to speculate if one looks at the fruits of their actions... look at the polarization that is taking over the world, over almost anything... it's real, but it's also fueled by twitter muscles, people would still disagree in person, but they would not behave in such immature and violent ways if they had a one to one conversation with someone. And that division, and polarization, makes people easier to predict, and control and manipulate.
oh yeah, and that will always exist.. I think it's called Pop music, although there are some cool pop songs, so that will never disappear, and it may be the entry to AI generated "art" cheap, formulaic and easy to consume. But yes, I was talking about real music or the type of music that speaks to you, and the real artists... well, I don't know if they have much to loose, I would say that perhaps, some artist jobs will be lost, as they're replaced by AI, not by technology making their creative endeavors easier to translate, but by something that aims to take over the creative process.
Not sure if it's that simple of a dichotomy, because AI is a human generated tool, that used both Right and left brain approaches, but it is, IMO, a left brain view of art by deconstructing something into its components and attempting to emulate it by dismissing what's in between all those components that makes it Art. But humans are just as capable of perceiving the world in such a way exclusively, in fact we all do it all the time.
No, I think it has the same power over you, you'd just be aware of said power and your decision would be better informed, but it is the same power, I think. It's like, alcohol, knowing about it and how it works, doesn't mean you won't get drunk if you have enough of it.
totally agree. I guess the million dollar question is, what can we do about it?
I think the biggest job losses will be stock art, whether it be photos, music, beats, CG renders, what ever you like, that's where I think Ai will take over.
Yes this was the point I was attempting to make, but you articulated much better, and yes I agree it's not a simple black and white thing, we are just as capable of it, maybe more so now that the left brain ideology has become so dominant?
ok I'm following you now, I like the analogy, I guess what it would mean though, is that by knowing about alcohol you would drink less and thus "limit" its power?!
Yes, @Alejo I think that makes perfect sense. Once you meet a person in person it gives something that technology cannot replace. Of course, we are discussing this using technology but perhaps one day we will find better ways to get together in person (teleportation anyone?).
There was a session where the Cs made a subtle distinction between listening to a recording vs a live performance. It was in relation to watching dancing or listening to music.
Session 26 July 1997:
There seems to be something powerful about live dancing or live music that can not be experienced "through reproduction".
I think that is very individual and contextual, it doesn't mean hiding away one's thoughts, but not seeing the through the lens of twitter goggles, and remind ourselves of the humanity in the other, that we have a lot more in common than our online disagreements might want us to believe. It's external consideration in the end. That humanity, and human to human connexion, that interestingly enough, is what AI could hijack.
I agree, initially at least, but it's not far fetched to consider a world where AI could be programed to create PC comedy for instance, the possibilities as of right now are not clear enough.
I think so, but I also don't think it's something to be done away entirely, sometimes seeing things in a cold analytical way is the right response to life, sometimes it's the only way to solve certain puzzles. As with most things, the trick is balance... not to become overtly identified with one or the other, however, as the world seems today, we are heavily leaning on the left brained perception of reality, OSIT.
In a sense yes, because you're aware not only of what it does generally, but also what it does to you personally.. and that requires some self-awareness and some honesty too, because knowing that would allow you to not lie to yourself about the reasons you'd be partaking in it, and that makes a world of a difference, you wouldn't be self deceiving or convincing yourself of a narrative.
You see, the trick, in my view, isn't to be completely abstinent, but being honest with the self about it, and being aware of its potential effects. Which is the conversation we're having, not creating a dogma or prohibition per se, but shedding light on it so that we can be better informed about it.
I agree, I think it's the reason a silent hug can really shed things like loneliness away, much more effectively than several videos of supporting words could... I know that sounds drastic, because it's never quite like that.. but you get the idea.
Recently I finished a book by John Keel in which he discusses the EM fields that human beings generate, and I think it has something to do with this in person "thing" that cannot be replaced by high fidelity reproductions. In that sense, in person interactions really represent an interaction at several levels, that we may not be aware of but that we definitely can sense.
I continue to follow up and how this is developing.
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On December 16th I received this email.
Day by day this gets more dystopian / cyberpunk.
However, as I pointed out in the thread of the last C's session, perhaps this is being pushed by the PTB/Elite.
ArtStation Protest Explodes After Epic Says It Won't Ban AI Generated Art — GeekTyrant
I go to ArtStation almost daily to scroll through art and see what artists are creating. I’m always looking for cool art and talented artists for possible future collaboration. Well, today when I went to look through some art, I noticed something very different, usually, the front page is filled wit
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On December 16th I received this email.
Day by day this gets more dystopian / cyberpunk.
However, as I pointed out in the thread of the last C's session, perhaps this is being pushed by the PTB/Elite.
A wild idea just crossed my mind. If the elite are looking for an AI capable of translating what the aliens say... I don't know why but I just associated it with the development of the AI to "draw by text input."
Mind-Blowing AI Image Generator - Give Visual Representation to C's Concepts?
Hi Everyone, I wanted to share something I found I think is quite profound. An AI Image generator that seems to have unlimited possibilities as to what it can create. I found it from this video: (highly recommend watching to learn how to use) and have been absolutely blown away by what it can...cassiopaea.org
Because perhaps after all there is a telepathic element (conceptual images) that cannot be understood by spoken language alone. Perhaps the intent is that the AI can subtract the intent behind the spoken language and capture it in an image, revealing the hidden intent.
Thanks to all for the discussion about this. After reading through the thread, I had a number of thoughts to share.
I remembered a conceptual distinction that used to be a big part of my life, the difference between Beauty and glamour.
As noted above, glamour is etymologically linked to grammar. There's an interesting piece by graphic novel writer Alan Moore that dives into this glamour/grammar/spellcasting aspect of art. Although he uses the term magic as a way to talk about the way that art can cause a change in consciousness, and considers himself a wizard or whatever, I like the points he brings together, which I think pertains to these AI generated photos as an example of glamour. There is a certain impression I get from them, a particular way they touch my consciousness.
Maybe we can consider that Beauty is Beauty because it has the potential to transform us and maybe awaken or feed something deep in our Souls in some way when it touches our consciousness, whereas glamour is something different. Although it is aesthetically pleasing, or even quite striking, it doesn't nourish or awaken in the same way, and maybe even functions to put us deeper into sleep. I didn't really notice much of an inner response to the photos personally, most likely 'cuz I was feeling a little out of it while reading along and I had been reading for a few hours at that point. It did seem to me that there was something missing, though.
Your use of the word reproduction caught my eye. The development of new technology and its affects on art, with corresponding effects on the human sense of Beauty has been a matter of discussion for a long time. There seems to be a certain trend, where in the face of technological advances, some portion of the population is very resistant. This resistance expresses itself usually by idolizing the former days of glory, which are understood to be more honest, authentic, and simpler. However, there's also a danger here. In the book The Invention of Tradition, it's clear that traditions are sometimes just created whole cloth, and the idealized past is just a fantasy. This is striking in the case of the Scottish kilt - and also the entire Scottish clan system - which apparently was invented and then back-projected as ancient during the advances of industrialism! One really wonderful example of this romanticization of the past and resistance to technological change in the Arts and Crafts movement. They sought to 'wage holy war against the age' by becoming involved in every step in the process of artistic production, attempting to become holistic artisans. I admit, I appreciate their spunk!
Of particular note in this vein of art history is Walter Benjamin's essay 'The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction'.
The 'aura', according to Benjamin, belongs to the original work of art in and of itself, a product of its specific location and time. So back in the day, there was only one painting of Da Vinci's 'The Virgin of the Rocks'. It was a product of Da Vinci's Being, and his Being was synchronized or even channeling in the context of a particular place and time. There is the individual and the environment in an exchange that is transferred or recorded onto the paper or canvas. This results in a sort of energetic vibe that resonates throughout the ages as one specific and unique aura. Interesting to see the Lethbridge material mentioned, and how there is a huge difference when an original work of art is dowsed by a pendulum versus a mechanical reproduction. And I think it's understandable how mechanical reproduction devalues artwork, if only in the basic sense that if there is only one 'The Virgin of the Rocks' in the world, then it becomes quite an event and perhaps even and adventure to lay eyes on it, versus being able to type it into Google and see it at your convenience.
Benjamin quotes Paul Valery, who wrote this bit in 1928, but is easily applicable today.
This has me thinking that time is a central issue with these images. Is part of the fascination the speed at which the images are generated? Speed has its time and place for sure, but it is a pretty dangerous obsession. Seems to me that speed has become an unspoken expectation, with one result being that instant gratification is everywhere at this stage in the hysteroidal cycle. Technology changes space and time (or changes with changes in space and time) as mentioned by Valery above. There's this idea that the speeding up of the world tends to eradicate old distances, and not just geographically, like in the transformation caused by the personal automobile, but also psychologically in the distance between wanting something and getting it. I think the way in which technology changes our lives, our minds, and our world is probs one of the most discussed topics in the world, whether its in the field of art history or sci-fi novels or cursing God because the internet is slow and I want to watch this movie right-freaking-now.
I've noticed that I have expected a lot from the world, expected from myself and others, and taken a lot for granted, especially now with the ponderings about the fall of the system that has provided me with the heat, water, electricity, food and clothes and internet, as well as art and entertainment, etc. Although I have really liked improving self-sufficiency skills, in general I have expected to not have to 'pay' very much for any of what I've received, in the sense of paying for it with the time allotted to me on this planet - to pay via patience when that longing for a certain something arrives. Still working on that one. It's pretty normal to want various kinds suffering to be over with speed, but in certain cases it is better to go down into the grief - as Khalil Gibran wrote, sorrow is what empties out your cup so that it can be filled again.
Side trip into Healing Developmental Trauma:
It's then stated that attention to qualia and their coherent reentry is the single-most-important feature of higher brain organization - it's the basis of our perception of reality. And I notice that emotion, motivation and experience are listed there are major influences, too. I don't think an AI has these guiding influences (or does it?!), and as such, the reentry it creates will always lack heart, drive, and a sense of being-in-the-world with all of its joys and sufferings.
So, trying to put some of this together, if the 'aura' of a work of art is an energy, could that energy could be understood as a set of frequencies, disparate waveform aspects of the qualia of the piece that coalesce into a coherent whole upon reentry? Frequency is the rate at which something occurs, which has to do with both time and speed in a way I don't really understand. There's something very important about the time the artist 'spends', as a form of energetic payment - from all of the years in training while developing the craft, growing into maturity through challenges, to the point of conception or the inspiration of a piece, and then on top of that all of the diligent hours at work in a creative state... it's all quite a lot to put together. This all contributes to the frequency of the aura of the whole piece. The artist would be like the conductor of an orchestra of thought, sensation, and emotion - and maybe also a 'conductor' in the electric sense, who has somehow made possible the process of grounding a flow of Beauty in the world, where the aura upon reentry is recognizable as something very precious to whomever looks at it because of its singularity. If the eyes are the window into the Soul, they are also probably the window out of the Soul as well, and in great works of art we can catch of glimpse of the Seeing of another. In this line of thinking, our perception of the aura of work of visual art is kinda like listening to an orchestra with our eyes.
I remembered a conceptual distinction that used to be a big part of my life, the difference between Beauty and glamour.
As noted above, glamour is etymologically linked to grammar. There's an interesting piece by graphic novel writer Alan Moore that dives into this glamour/grammar/spellcasting aspect of art. Although he uses the term magic as a way to talk about the way that art can cause a change in consciousness, and considers himself a wizard or whatever, I like the points he brings together, which I think pertains to these AI generated photos as an example of glamour. There is a certain impression I get from them, a particular way they touch my consciousness.
Maybe we can consider that Beauty is Beauty because it has the potential to transform us and maybe awaken or feed something deep in our Souls in some way when it touches our consciousness, whereas glamour is something different. Although it is aesthetically pleasing, or even quite striking, it doesn't nourish or awaken in the same way, and maybe even functions to put us deeper into sleep. I didn't really notice much of an inner response to the photos personally, most likely 'cuz I was feeling a little out of it while reading along and I had been reading for a few hours at that point. It did seem to me that there was something missing, though.
Your use of the word reproduction caught my eye. The development of new technology and its affects on art, with corresponding effects on the human sense of Beauty has been a matter of discussion for a long time. There seems to be a certain trend, where in the face of technological advances, some portion of the population is very resistant. This resistance expresses itself usually by idolizing the former days of glory, which are understood to be more honest, authentic, and simpler. However, there's also a danger here. In the book The Invention of Tradition, it's clear that traditions are sometimes just created whole cloth, and the idealized past is just a fantasy. This is striking in the case of the Scottish kilt - and also the entire Scottish clan system - which apparently was invented and then back-projected as ancient during the advances of industrialism! One really wonderful example of this romanticization of the past and resistance to technological change in the Arts and Crafts movement. They sought to 'wage holy war against the age' by becoming involved in every step in the process of artistic production, attempting to become holistic artisans. I admit, I appreciate their spunk!
Of particular note in this vein of art history is Walter Benjamin's essay 'The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction'.
The 'aura', according to Benjamin, belongs to the original work of art in and of itself, a product of its specific location and time. So back in the day, there was only one painting of Da Vinci's 'The Virgin of the Rocks'. It was a product of Da Vinci's Being, and his Being was synchronized or even channeling in the context of a particular place and time. There is the individual and the environment in an exchange that is transferred or recorded onto the paper or canvas. This results in a sort of energetic vibe that resonates throughout the ages as one specific and unique aura. Interesting to see the Lethbridge material mentioned, and how there is a huge difference when an original work of art is dowsed by a pendulum versus a mechanical reproduction. And I think it's understandable how mechanical reproduction devalues artwork, if only in the basic sense that if there is only one 'The Virgin of the Rocks' in the world, then it becomes quite an event and perhaps even and adventure to lay eyes on it, versus being able to type it into Google and see it at your convenience.
Benjamin quotes Paul Valery, who wrote this bit in 1928, but is easily applicable today.
This has me thinking that time is a central issue with these images. Is part of the fascination the speed at which the images are generated? Speed has its time and place for sure, but it is a pretty dangerous obsession. Seems to me that speed has become an unspoken expectation, with one result being that instant gratification is everywhere at this stage in the hysteroidal cycle. Technology changes space and time (or changes with changes in space and time) as mentioned by Valery above. There's this idea that the speeding up of the world tends to eradicate old distances, and not just geographically, like in the transformation caused by the personal automobile, but also psychologically in the distance between wanting something and getting it. I think the way in which technology changes our lives, our minds, and our world is probs one of the most discussed topics in the world, whether its in the field of art history or sci-fi novels or cursing God because the internet is slow and I want to watch this movie right-freaking-now.
I've noticed that I have expected a lot from the world, expected from myself and others, and taken a lot for granted, especially now with the ponderings about the fall of the system that has provided me with the heat, water, electricity, food and clothes and internet, as well as art and entertainment, etc. Although I have really liked improving self-sufficiency skills, in general I have expected to not have to 'pay' very much for any of what I've received, in the sense of paying for it with the time allotted to me on this planet - to pay via patience when that longing for a certain something arrives. Still working on that one. It's pretty normal to want various kinds suffering to be over with speed, but in certain cases it is better to go down into the grief - as Khalil Gibran wrote, sorrow is what empties out your cup so that it can be filled again.
Side trip into Healing Developmental Trauma:
It's then stated that attention to qualia and their coherent reentry is the single-most-important feature of higher brain organization - it's the basis of our perception of reality. And I notice that emotion, motivation and experience are listed there are major influences, too. I don't think an AI has these guiding influences (or does it?!), and as such, the reentry it creates will always lack heart, drive, and a sense of being-in-the-world with all of its joys and sufferings.
So, trying to put some of this together, if the 'aura' of a work of art is an energy, could that energy could be understood as a set of frequencies, disparate waveform aspects of the qualia of the piece that coalesce into a coherent whole upon reentry? Frequency is the rate at which something occurs, which has to do with both time and speed in a way I don't really understand. There's something very important about the time the artist 'spends', as a form of energetic payment - from all of the years in training while developing the craft, growing into maturity through challenges, to the point of conception or the inspiration of a piece, and then on top of that all of the diligent hours at work in a creative state... it's all quite a lot to put together. This all contributes to the frequency of the aura of the whole piece. The artist would be like the conductor of an orchestra of thought, sensation, and emotion - and maybe also a 'conductor' in the electric sense, who has somehow made possible the process of grounding a flow of Beauty in the world, where the aura upon reentry is recognizable as something very precious to whomever looks at it because of its singularity. If the eyes are the window into the Soul, they are also probably the window out of the Soul as well, and in great works of art we can catch of glimpse of the Seeing of another. In this line of thinking, our perception of the aura of work of visual art is kinda like listening to an orchestra with our eyes.
The idea that it is an initiative of the PTB/Elite makes one wonder why they want an AI translator. If the 4D STS ships land and there is media coverage it would probably be expedient for the military and their governments to not appear totally out of control.
Look, no problem we can communicate with them using this nifty A.I. translator. See we have this under control, not to worry.
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Jedi
And then it turns out that it was all a setup and a trap by 4D STS, ensuring all and every device is tapped to some sort of an AI to which they can "upload" themselves into. So once they land, the AIs will suddenly go "we are the Borg. you will be assimilated. resistance is futile".The idea that it is an initiative of the PTB/Elite makes one wonder why they want an AI translator. If the 4D STS ships land and there is media coverage it would probably be expedient for the military and their governments to not appear totally out of control.
Look, no problem we can communicate with them using this nifty A.I. translator. See we have this under control, not to worry.
Art has been degrading for a couple of centuries already, and a lot of what passes for art nowadays is not that impressive or inspiring anyway. One could hope that with the deployment of these algorithms, real artists will step up their game and start producing quality art that cannot be monkeyed by idiotic machines. We'll see if that happens or not before everything goes down the pipes.
I came across this article, out of all places, in The Guardian, which I think made a decent point about AI, specially when considered from the point of view of computers overpowering us eventually.
This quote specifically:
I think that's one of those things that I hadn't considered but makes sense, work.. for a human being, isn't just about the earnings.. it's about the meaning it brings with it into your life. AI overpowering us might mean a lot more than taking our jobs... it may mean taking our lives by making them endlessly convenient.
This quote specifically:
I think that's one of those things that I hadn't considered but makes sense, work.. for a human being, isn't just about the earnings.. it's about the meaning it brings with it into your life. AI overpowering us might mean a lot more than taking our jobs... it may mean taking our lives by making them endlessly convenient.
Ah! the key word is addiction. A new form of addiction that would keep people in a new time loop.
The old saying: Leisure is the mother of all sins.
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The Living Force
A lot of possible angles. Another is that they don't trust the aliens. (Do they trust anyone?) At some level, some the the PTB/elite must realize they are in deep with these "aliens" and suspect they are being "played" by these "superior" entities and are trying to gain some sort of edge.The idea that it is an initiative of the PTB/Elite makes one wonder why they want an AI translator. If the 4D STS ships land and there is media coverage it would probably be expedient for the military and their governments to not appear totally out of control.
Look, no problem we can communicate with them using this nifty A.I. translator. See we have this under control, not to worry.
