"Mistake" airstrikes by the USA and its allies

[bjorb]

[quote author= Joe]Nope, that one is already blamed on "Russian or Syrian jets" - without any evidence.[/quote]

Like always.

Could make a series of that likewise. Where the US accuses Russia of doing the work of the Devil. Yet openly refuses to give evidence. They actually got grilled on that during many press conferences. But Western Journalist never seem to find the right building or room to attend such conferences.

Russian insider keeps a good track of those, 2 examples :

U.S. REFUSES to PROVIDE FACTS but Accuses Russia of Firing Rockets into Ukraine
VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIau0kO8YbA

Journalists Grill US State Dept over claims Russia airstrike hit a hospital in Syria
VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZtJ-gsegvw

 

[JGeropoulas]

...
US calls on Assad to respect truce after US airstrikes on Syrian Army
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Less than 24 hours after the U.S. Airforce mistakenly struck Syrian Arab Army (SAA) positions in Deir Ezzor, killing over 80 soldiers, US Secretary of State John Kerry told the BBC that Russia needs to be more serious about getting the Syrian government to abide by the terms of the ceasefire.
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Only brazen psychopaths can make such statements with a straight face! Thanks to the insights of Andrew Lobaczewski, the news has become a virtual showcase of psychopathy.

 

[Pierre]

UN backtracks on claims its aid convoy in Syria was bombed

https://www.rt.com/news/line/

The United Nations has reversed allegations that its aid convoy in Syria, which was attacked on Monday, was the target of an airstrike. "We are not in a position to determine whether these were in fact airstrikes. We are in a position to say that the convoy was attacked," UN humanitarian spokesman Jens Laerke said. The UN spoke of a draft error while referring to the initial term of ‘airstrike.’ On Monday, 20 civilians and one aid worker were killed in what humanitarian organizations believed was an airstrike hitting a convoy en route to the war-torn city of Aleppo.

 

[JGeropoulas]

Should we include "collateral damage" from drone attacks, such as this:

December 12, 2013
_http://www.democracynow.org/2014/2/21/turning_a_wedding_into_a_funeral

a drone strike on a wedding convoy in Yemen killed 12 people, injured 15, including the bride, who received a superficial face wound...The president has said the U.S. does not strike unless it has near certainty that no civilians were killed, yet the evidence strongly suggests that at least some of those killed in this strike, and possibly all of them, were civilians.

 

[sToRmR1dR]

Won't be surprised if this turns out to be another 'mistake'. :(

Attack on Humanitarian Convoy in Syria Leaves 'Many People' Dead

UN Under-Secrtary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator Stephen O'Brien said that the attack on a humanitarian convoy while delivering aid in Syria’s Aleppo governorate has left "many people" dead.

UNITED NATIONS (Sputnik) — The attack on a humanitarian convoy while delivering aid in Syria’s Aleppo governorate has left "many people" dead, UN Under-Secrtary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator Stephen O'Brien said in a statement Tuesday.

"Initial reports indicate that many people have been killed or seriously injured, including SARC volunteers, as a result of these sickening attacks. A SARC warehouse was also hit and a SARC health clinic was also reportedly severely damaged," the statement reads.

UN Secretary-General’s deputy spokesman Farhan Haq told Sputnik on Monday that the UN and Syrian Arab Red Crescent (SARC) convoy was struck while delivering humanitarian aid in Syria’s Aleppo governorate.

According to the United Nations, at least 18 of the 31 trucks in the convoy were hit. The incident took place near the town of Urum al-Kubra northwest of Aleppo.

Nope, that one is already blamed on "Russian or Syrian jets" - without any evidence.

Some good points in the article below.

MORE WASHINGTON MADNESS: US ACCUSES RUSSIA OF BOMBING UN CONVOY

http://katehon.com/agenda/more-washington-madness-us-accuses-russia-bombing-un-convoy

Last night, a United Nations humanitarian convoy bound for Aleppo was attacked. The UN has not commented whether it was an air strike or explosive on the road.

US charges

However, US officials claim that the convoy of UN trucks was attacked by the Russian or Syrian armies. Moreover, an unnamed American official claimed that “not only we, but also the UN and the Red Cross” have “irrefutable evidence.” Later, however, he explained that there is no evidence of Russian involvement, and that the convoy was hit from the air.

Lack of evidence

Perhaps the lack of evidence is due to the fact that Russia, unlike the US, does not bomb everything that can be seen from above. The official representative of the Ministry of Defense, Major-General Igor Konashenkov has repeatedly stressed that "Russian planes do not launch strikes at targets within the boundaries of residential areas," and that the attack occurred near Aleppo where, at the same time, Jabhat Al-Nusra launched an offensive. Fierce fighting took place overnight, but by the time of the incident we can say that the Syrian army had repulsed the attack of militants and launched a counteroffensive.

Yesterday, the Syrian army announced the termination of the ceasefire. Perhaps this is the very secret "irrefutable proof" of Syrian involvement in the attack on humanitarian convoy, but what more likely happened is that this was the White House’s next step in destabilizing the situation. It seems that the Pentagon order was meant to draw Syria away from the Jabhat Al-Nusra offensive in Aleppo.

The UN in Syria

Damascus has also accused the UN of supporting terrorists. A source has reported that a UN employee prevented the withdrawal of armed fighters from Homs under false pretenses. The source added that “the Syrian government has said that there is no justification for the behavior of UN officials that impedes the implementation of the agreement” according to which more than 250 terrorists and their families should removed to Idleb province.

No official comments on the UN humanitarian convoy coming under fire have been reported from the Russian and Syrian ministries and the United Nations.

Russian, Syrian Air Forces did not strike UN aid convoy in Aleppo Russian MoD

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Russian MoD Releases Footage of Attacked UN Aid Convoy in Syria's Aleppo

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160920/1045521488/aleppo-un-convoy.html

The Russian Defense Ministry released the footage made via a drone of the attacked UN humanitarian aid convoy in Syria's Aleppo.

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The video shows that the UN aid convoy was accompanied by a terrorists' off-road vehicle with a large-caliber mortar launcher, the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman said.

"The examination of the video footage made via drones of the movement of the humanitarian convoy in areas controlled by militants in the province of Aleppo has revealed new details. The video clearly shows how terrorists are redeploying a pickup with a large-caliber mortar on it," Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

He said that "it is unclear yet who accompanies whom: the [pickup with a] mortar accompanies the convoy with "White Helmets" volunteers or vise versa. And most importantly, where did the mortar disappear near the destination point of the convoy and what was the target of its fire during the convoy's stop and unloading?"

On Monday, the United Nations’ Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said that the aid convoy crossed the conflict line in the Big Orem area of the Syrian city of Aleppo.

Later in the day, UN officials stated that the convoy had been shelled and there were casualties.

Earlier in the day, the Russian Defense Ministry said that neither Russian, not Syria aircraft carried out strikes against the UN aid convoy, emphasizing that the examination of video footage reveals no signs of an ammunition strikes on the convoy and it seems to be set on fire.

The ministry emphasized that the perpetrator of the fire, as well as his goal may be known by members of the "White Helmets" organization that allegedly has connection to al-Nusra Front terrorists who have "accidentally" been at the right time and in the right place with cameras.

According to the official, al-Nusra Front terrorist group carried out an artillery attack on the southwestern suburb of Aleppo using multiple launch rocket systems.

 

[Thebull]

UN backtracks on claims its aid convoy in Syria was bombed

https://www.rt.com/news/line/

The United Nations has reversed allegations that its aid convoy in Syria, which was attacked on Monday, was the target of an airstrike. "We are not in a position to determine whether these were in fact airstrikes. We are in a position to say that the convoy was attacked," UN humanitarian spokesman Jens Laerke said. The UN spoke of a draft error while referring to the initial term of ‘airstrike.’ On Monday, 20 civilians and one aid worker were killed in what humanitarian organizations believed was an airstrike hitting a convoy en route to the war-torn city of Aleppo.

I just watched sky news and Robert Ford a former US ambassador to Syria is under no doubt who's to blame. He said you could hear planes on the video footage and the only groups with air power are Syria and Russia who fly in these areas. It's sickening that this is happening but not surprising. The Americans are trying to shift the blame after the attack on the Syrian soldiers. I think when Putin addresses the UN he will state clearly what is going on. Though in MSM in Britan it will get a 2 second slot.

 

[Oxajil]

Nope, that one is already blamed on "Russian or Syrian jets" - without any evidence.

Crazy. The very first report that came in that I read blamed Russian and Syrian jets, saying that the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (which is not reliable at all) reported this. I was reminded of what you once said, flip what you hear/read in the mainstream media around and you're closer to the truth. I wouldn't be surprised that if this convoy was attacked, it was the US that was behind it.

UN backtracks on claims its aid convoy in Syria was bombed

https://www.rt.com/news/line/

The United Nations has reversed allegations that its aid convoy in Syria, which was attacked on Monday, was the target of an airstrike. "We are not in a position to determine whether these were in fact airstrikes. We are in a position to say that the convoy was attacked," UN humanitarian spokesman Jens Laerke said. The UN spoke of a draft error while referring to the initial term of ‘airstrike.’ On Monday, 20 civilians and one aid worker were killed in what humanitarian organizations believed was an airstrike hitting a convoy en route to the war-torn city of Aleppo.

I just watched sky news and Robert Ford a former US ambassador to Syria is under no doubt who's to blame. He said you could hear planes on the video footage and the only groups with air power are Syria and Russia who fly in these areas. It's sickening that this is happening but not surprising. The Americans are trying to shift the blame after the attack on the Syrian soldiers. I think when Putin addresses the UN he will state clearly what is going on. Though in MSM in Britan it will get a 2 second slot.

Yeah, that's what I thought as well.

 

[bjorb]

With all the recent provocations going on, I think it should point out that the US is attempting to ruin all further and possible negations with Russia concerning Syria. So why is that, I think that like always, they can't simply go to war. They need a pretext. And in this case they are hoping for Russia to take the bait. Only than are they capable of ordering a massive strike on Syria?

If Russia stops the negations and the US increases it's provocations what kind of scenario would you get when Russia retaliates? Than you are at war with a power that refuses to talk with you. I think that's what they are after. It's the only way how they could sell this war, Russia has to strike back.

That's the right set of climate that could give them the war that they are after.

I doubt there is any long plan strategy involved. Just the usually, if everyting fails, resort to more chaos and destruction.

For Russia I think it's 'simple' how to correctly respond on this. Don't take the bait, and whenever the provocations of the US get's more extreme and extreme they will keep exposing themselves more to the public everytime they do so. US proxies are losing anyhow. And the 4+1 coalition, namely Iran is capable and willing to send a lot more ground troops if necessary.

That's what you get with real allies, they will go to the hilt to support you. I can't say the same for US vassals.


- Allthough, let's hope that the provocations don't get to extreme, which it already actually is. But for the sake of Syria and the World. A possible WW3 should be rather avoided.

 

[Aeneas]

With all the recent provocations going on, I think it should point out that the US is attempting to ruin all further and possible negations with Russia concerning Syria. So why is that, I think that like always, they can't simply go to war. They need a pretext. And in this case they are hoping for Russia to take the bait. Only than are they capable of ordering a massive strike on Syria?

If Russia stops the negations and the US increases it's provocations what kind of scenario would you get when Russia retaliates? Than you are at war with a power that refuses to talk with you. I think that's what they are after. It's the only way how they could sell this war, Russia has to strike back.

That's the right set of climate that could give them the war that they are after.

I doubt there is any long plan strategy involved. Just the usually, if everyting fails, resort to more chaos and destruction.

For Russia I think it's 'simple' how to correctly respond on this. Don't take the bait, and whenever the provocations of the US get's more extreme and extreme they will keep exposing themselves more to the public everytime they do so. US proxies are losing anyhow. And the 4+1 coalition, namely Iran is capable and willing to send a lot more ground troops if necessary.

That's what you get with real allies, they will go to the hilt to support you. I can't say the same for US vassals.


- Allthough, let's hope that the provocations don't get to extreme, which it already actually is. But for the sake of Syria and the World. A possible WW3 should be rather avoided.

I know it can be hard to separate the threads and overlap, but I think the above belongs more in the thread called Putin - He is giving it to the USA with both barrels... See: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,39681.0.html

Regarding your comment about real allies, then I think the US has real allies. Just look at how all the Western allies fall over themselves to claim being part of the attack and how they all continusly shoot themselves in the foot with sanctions, cancelled deals (Mistral deal) and run their countries to the ground just to please Uncle Sam. No they all go to the hilt to support the psychopathic empire as they too have been ponerized. It is a civlisational disease that has infected the Western world and there will be consequences.

 

[Aeneas]

Should we include "collateral damage" from drone attacks, such as this:

December 12, 2013
_http://www.democracynow.org/2014/2/21/turning_a_wedding_into_a_funeral

a drone strike on a wedding convoy in Yemen killed 12 people, injured 15, including the bride, who received a superficial face wound...The president has said the U.S. does not strike unless it has near certainty that no civilians were killed, yet the evidence strongly suggests that at least some of those killed in this strike, and possibly all of them, were civilians.

Yes, I think "collateral damage" from drone attacks belongs in this thread too. It is evidence of a criminal conscienceless mindset and in many instances constitutes war crimes. I have in mind to dig out some of the almost weekly wedding shoot up that happened in the early days of the war in Afghanistan, but it will take a little time of looking into stored copies of Sott on my harddrive ;)

 

[bjorb]

[quote author= Aeneas]Regarding your comment about real allies, then I think the US has real allies. Just look at how all the Western allies fall over themselves to claim being part of the attack and how they all continusly shoot themselves in the foot with sanctions, cancelled deals (Mistral deal) and run their countries to the ground just to please Uncle Sam. No they all go to the hilt to support the psychopathic empire as they too have been ponerized. It is a civlisational disease that has infected the Western world and there will be consequences.[/quote]

Sanctions don’t happen without a lot of US pressure. Same with the Mistral deal. I don’t expect any of those vassals to dance with the Empire without the element of intimidation, blackmail or fear in general.

And yes that comment should be placed in the topic mentioned. Sorry.

 

[Pierre]

NATO won’t speculate on who struck aid convoy in Syria – Stoltenberg to RT

Published time: 21 Sep, 2016 21:56

https://www.rt.com/news/360198-stoltenberg-unga-rt-interview/

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg refused to “speculate” on who bears responsibility for the attack on the UN-Red Crescent aid convoy near Aleppo, saying we should “get the facts” first, as he spoke to RT after his meeting with the Russian FM.

“The attack on the humanitarian convoy is morally totally unacceptable and it’s a blatant violation of international law,” Stoltenberg said in a brief interview to RT’s Ilya Petrenko, as he emerged from the meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on the sidelines of the 71st UN General Assembly session in New York on Wednesday.

However, the NATO chief refrained from accusing any side of perpetrating the attack.

“I will not speculate about that. It’s important to get the facts and to find out how this could happened, but I won’t speculate,” he said, praising the talks with Lavrov as a “frank” and “useful” meeting.

“It just underlines importance of an effective ceasefire, unhindered access for aid workers and, of course, lasting and sustainable political negotiated peaceful solution to the crisis in Syria,” he added, speaking of necessity to galvanize the stalled reconciliation process in Syria.

 

[Aeneas]

NATO won’t speculate on who struck aid convoy in Syria – Stoltenberg to RT

Published time: 21 Sep, 2016 21:56

https://www.rt.com/news/360198-stoltenberg-unga-rt-interview/

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg refused to “speculate” on who bears responsibility for the attack on the UN-Red Crescent aid convoy near Aleppo, saying we should “get the facts” first, as he spoke to RT after his meeting with the Russian FM.

“The attack on the humanitarian convoy is morally totally unacceptable and it’s a blatant violation of international law,” Stoltenberg said in a brief interview to RT’s Ilya Petrenko, as he emerged from the meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on the sidelines of the 71st UN General Assembly session in New York on Wednesday.

However, the NATO chief refrained from accusing any side of perpetrating the attack.

“I will not speculate about that. It’s important to get the facts and to find out how this could happened, but I won’t speculate,” he said, praising the talks with Lavrov as a “frank” and “useful” meeting.

“It just underlines importance of an effective ceasefire, unhindered access for aid workers and, of course, lasting and sustainable political negotiated peaceful solution to the crisis in Syria,” he added, speaking of necessity to galvanize the stalled reconciliation process in Syria.

A prudent move by Stoltenberg. He probably didn't want to have egg on his face again, by following the accusations by the US and their infamously unreliable 'intelligence'. That he didn't come right out and supported the Russian viewpoint, is understandable as it would mean signing his own resignation.

 

[Aeneas]

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/u-s-drone-strike-in-afghanistan-kills-15-civilians-in-latest-atrocity/

U.S. drone strike in Afghanistan kills 15 civilians in latest atrocity
By Paul Antonopoulos -
30/09/2016 1

The brutality of American airstrikes continue for the month of September that has seen its airstrikes kill over 80 Syrian soldiers in Deir Ezzor, 22 Somali soldiers, 8 Afghan policemen and now at least 15 civilians in Afghanistan.

These atrocities by the United States have all occurred in just the month of September alone.

This latest atrocity, Washington thought they had targeted ISIS positions in the Achin district of Nangarhar province.

Government officials said the strike killed some militants, but the U.N. Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) reported the victims were civilians, including students, a teacher, and members of families considered to be "pro-government".

"UNAMA reiterates the need for all parties to the conflict to adhere to their obligations under international humanitarian law," the United Nations said in a statement late on Thursday.

"UNAMA calls on the government and international military forces to launch a prompt, independent, impartial, transparent, and effective investigation into this incident."

The United States military said it would be investigating these allegations and that it tries to take precautions to avoid these atrocities.

"We take every possible measure to avoid civilian casualties in these operations, and will continue to work with Afghan authorities to determine if there is cause for additional investigation," U.S. forces said in a statement.

Oh yes, "WE take every possible measure to avoid civilian casualties...". The teleprompter must have got stuck on continuous replay

 

[Aeneas]

https://www.sott.net/article/329927-Oops-they-did-it-again-US-kills-22-in-Somalia-using-misdirected-drone-strike

Daniel McAdams
Ron Paul Institute
Thu, 29 Sep 2016 00:00 UTC

In what the US is calling a "misdirected" airstrike, some 22 Somali citizens and soldiers were killed by a US missile fired from a drone intended to take out al-Qaeda affiliated al-Shabab militia members. According to the BBC, the airstrike may have been a ruse by one region in Somalia seeking to settle scores with another courtesy of US military might: "Officials in the semi-autonomous region of Galmudug accused neighboring Puntland of misleading the US into believing they had targeted extremists."

Both al-Shabab itself and the Somali military affirmed that there were none of the Islamist militants present in the region at the time of the US airstrike.

The battle between the Somali government and al-Shabab has been ongoing for the last decade, with the US engaged as part of its "Operation Enduring Freedom" for the horn of Africa.

Since 2007, the US has killed upwards of 500 people via drone strikes in Somalia.

Ironically, as the US continues to launch drone attacks against al-Qaeda affiliated rebels in Somalia, it protects, arms, and trains al-Qaeda affiliated Nusra Front rebels in Aleppo, Syria, according to the al-Qaeda commander there.

As can be seen above, the presstitutes at the BBC are defending the US and trying to put the blame on the Somalies and are indirectly saying that they were misleading the 'poor' US.