MMTP: Time To Move On

Back in 1999, while I was fighting for my humanity which had been swallowed whole by heroin, I was introduced to methadone. I really wanted to be clean, but the physical/mental anguish was too unbearable for any rehab to be effective. So methadone was a final solution. It worked. Since 2001 I've got my life 2gether, started a family, n stayed clean. Now I want to stop taking methadone. Ironically, w/drawls are WORSE than heroin because methadone is much stronger.-->
 
-->I've been treated like crap & judged a 2nd class citizen by nearly every1 I've told that I was taking methadone. I couldnt even tell ER Doctors - they'd refuse me pain meds because "U might get addicted." I hope I don't get that prejudice here at SOTT. I just want to ask if any1 has any advice or alternative methods of easing w/drawls while "tapering" off. The clinic I attend is no help; they'd rather I stay on it 4ever ($). This overshadows EVERYTHING in my life & I want it GONE. PEACE
 
Hi Ominous,
I might get flamed for this, but I'll say it anyway. You sound like you look outside of yourself for a lot of answers, look within and ask yourself a lot of questions. No judgements.
 
Your honesty is appreciated, but yr advice is a bit vague. Looking w/in is what made me decide to stop. But NOBODY can do it alone, just like no one can get to the Truth of existence alone. Are u suggesting I not reach out for help? BTW, do u have much experience w/ drug addiction, specifically intraveneous opiate addiction? Thats why I began methadone. It was as if I had no control over my mind. The methadone quieted the voices and allowed me to get out of the abyss I'd fallen (jumped) in2. PEACE
 
You won't find it in the US, but there are reports that Ibogaine can help you come over methadone addiction. See here for patient reports. There are treatment centers in Mexico. You can do a web search for them.

Born again with Ibogaine?

The main claim made by advocates of ibogaine for treating drug addiction is that one dose is generally enough. With ibogaine, there is no need for weeks and weeks of regular methadone to stave off the chilling withdrawal symptoms of heroin, nor the increasing possibility of addiction to the treatment itself emerging. The fear of the detoxification process is claimed by drug rehabilitation centres to be the major obstacle to most addicts beating their habit. One dose - or at the most intermittent doses for two years - can it is claimed remove the destructive addiction of several hard drugs - cocaine and heroin, for instance - but even alcohol and nicotine. It is especially effective in those who actually want to give up.
FWIW
 
Ominous, I'm not suggesting to you not to seek help, through clinics and outside help you seem to have already been. This is your struggle. What you choose to do is what counts.
 
Anita said:
Hi Ominous,
I might get flamed for this, but I'll say it anyway. You sound like you look outside of yourself for a lot of answers, look within and ask yourself a lot of questions. No judgements.
Anita if you practice external consideration you cannot get flamed...no judgments whatsoever
I am sure you meant well but this advice is useless
been there done that many times

this is a very serious problem to which there are no easy solutions

I am aware that my involvement in this topic is slightly emotional.
I happened to grow up in the city which has the highest rate of heavy drug addicts per capita in whole of Europe, many of my classmates are now dead
so yes I did have some glimpse of the horror of drug addiction

Ominous you cant deal with this without qualified psychological help.
FWIW I would recommend Order of Love or Family Constellations (its known differently in various parts of the world) it is also well known as Hellinger Method. This work deals with problems of self destructive behavior at the root.
But in order to be able to undertake this work you need to spend some time with good gestalt therapist
 
Rick, Ibogaine sounds interesting. Methadone is Big $ in the US, so no wonder ibogaine is not available here. Deckard, I sympathize. I've lost count of the friends that've passed on as a result of this foolishness. A friend since high school (I'm 35) hung himself w/ his own boxers in a prison cell last year. I'm glad I left that game. Now I just hafta pull a gorrilla off my back. U think I should open up to a pro? As my self-importance fades, this seems a viable option. Thanks. PEACE
 
Deckard, are u suggesting that I seek help AFTER I'm off to deal w/ the emotional root of the problem? I've never totally opened up to ANY1 B4. I discovered if u do that, then the person will use it as a weapon against u later. But, as my self-im ortance fades, I can see this route as an attractive one. As long as I keep stuff bottled up, the Predator will always have a major foothold in my psyche to use. Thanks again for yr insight. PEACE
 
Omnious I am not qualified enough and please do not take me as authority in these matters.
I am pretty much sure that you shouldnt attempt getting off drugs without professional psychological counselling. Otherwise its uneven fight.

You need to find professional who specialises in drug addiction.
 
i've recently copied some information for a friend who was hooked on paroxetin (antidepressant) for a long time.
in the book 'Encyclopedia Of Medical Breakthroughs And Forbidden Treatments' (hxxp://www.medical-breakthroughs.com)
it says about ibogaine:

Ibogaine.
The root of the plant Tabernanthe iboga has long been used as a religious sacrament by the Bwiti culture of Gabon and Cameroon in West Africa. The powder that is made from the rootbark of the plant is at the heart of their religious rituals. Depending upon the dosage and the individual experiencer, mild hallucinogenic states are produced when the plant is ingested orally. Aside from being a staple of the Bwiti religious experience, the plant has been found to have another important use. In 1962, 19 year old heroin addict Howard Lotsof first experimented with ibogaine, as the oral preparation is called. Although he was only seeking a “high” from the drug, after the effects wore off 30 hours later Lotsof noticed he had lost all craving for heroin—without experiencing any withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. He then gave ibogaine to seven other heroin addicts, five of whom gave up their heroin habits immediately after having one ibogaine experience. Thus began a decades-long journey into the preliminary investigation of ibogaine as a treatment for many types of addiction including alcohol, amphetamines, cocaine, nicotine, and opioids.

Many of those who have “kicked their habits” using ibogaine say it is a miracle treatment. Others say it provides a “window of opportunity” of diminished cravings for several months following treatment, during which time other types of aftercare may be required to prevent possible relapse. Whichever the case, hundreds of former addicts attest to the ability of ibogaine to quickly reverse years of addictive behavior.

Ibogaine is a Schedule I drug in the U.S., one of the most highly controlled of all substances. Furthermore, it is illegal in many other countries throughout the world. Nevertheless, a number of treatment facilities currently offer ibogaine therapy in many locations throughout the world.
i have no idea how reliable or trustworthy the book is, all i can say is that it reads very convincing.
the note about ibogaine being highly controlled is a sure sign that there is a good chance it works imho.
 
Thanks so much for the data, Iconoclast. This is something I will seriously look in2. After 5 years clean of illicit drugs, I feel no cravings at all. The problem is the physical addiction to methadone. Work & w/drawl don't mix well. As I said B4, it doesnt surprise me that Ibogaine is so tightly controlled in the US; methadone is Big Buck$ ($100/week at my clinic). Drug addiction is a billion dollar industry. Period. Ibogaine threatens that. Thanks again for the info. PEACE
 
My 1st post on the new forum layout  ;D I must say the new seach works great, when it highlights the words you searched for in bright yellow.

Let me try another smiley out:  :boat:

Should go nicely with my signature.

I know this threat is old, and I don't know much about drug addiction or the recovery of it, but I was searching for Iboga on the forum today when I came across this threat.

I found a book on Amazon about Iboga which might be a valuable addition to any Iboga research:

http://www.amazon.com/Iboga-Visionary-Root-African-Shamanism/dp/1594771766/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218894642&sr=8-1

One of the Amazon reviews reads as follows:

“Iboga offers a riveting, multifaceted exploration of one of our planet’s lesser known but most important sacred plant traditions. It combines fascinating historical, cultural, and ethnographic background; powerful firsthand descriptions of an initiate’s psychospiritual experiences; and the best account to date of iboga’s seemingly enormous potential as a tool to address drug addiction--as well as the long battle for its further research despite grievous political impediments.”J. P. Harpignies, editor of Visionary Plant Consciousness

I have found that Iboga is often mentioned in literature and on the web together with the Amazonian vine Ayahuasca, which I don't know if it's a good or a bad thing.

National Geographic article about Ayahuasca, which also claims recovery from addictions, depression etc.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0603/features/peru.html

Another Amazon review about the Iboga book:

New age collections strong in visionary plants and African shaman rituals will be intrigued by the very specific discussions of iboga, which has been suppressed by the FDA since the 1960s and which provides the power to break addictions. The followers of the Bwiti religion know well its many attributes, which are surveyed here in an overview of the traditions, techniques and spirituality of African shamans and iboga's use in their world.

I think the fact that it has been suppressed by the FDA since the 60s, makes it all the more tantalizing to look into, considering their track record...

I was actually looking into the Bwiti tribe for other reasons recently, when the Iboga thing sparked my interest.
 
Jason said:
Thanks so much for the data, Iconoclast. This is something I will seriously look in2. After 5 years clean of illicit drugs, I feel no cravings at all. The problem is the physical addiction to methadone. Work & w/drawl don't mix well. As I said B4, it doesnt surprise me that Ibogaine is so tightly controlled in the US; methadone is Big Buck$ ($100/week at my clinic). Drug addiction is a billion dollar industry. Period. Ibogaine threatens that. Thanks again for the info. PEACE

i only saw your post today - i suspect the email notification feature didn't work when you posted.
glad i could provide some valuable information!
you can also do a search for ibogaine on _video.google.com - there are several results - i myself watched the one called 'rite of passage'
 
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