Moon Landings: Did They Happen or Not?

[Ian]

I just watched MIB 3 for the first time, and first, the movie is amazing...Second, I thought it was very interesting that Agent J went back in time in 16th July 1969. And the action takes place on the launch site, and throughout the film, at that time in the past, you can see newspapers here and there and headlines above about flying to the moon and the like. Now, I just finished the movie and told the AI to write me a little bit about it and that novelty in the movie, so here's a summary of it below.

1. What are the “hidden messages” in the newspapers in​

In Men in Black 3, newspapers are used as a subtle world-building device to hint at the Moon, Apollo 11, and disruptions in the timeline. These headlines appear briefly in the background and act as easter eggs, suggesting that the public senses something is wrong, even if they don’t understand it.


Common examples include headlines that imply:

• Doubts about the Moon landing (playing on conspiracy theories)
• Strange lights or activity near the Moon, hinting at alien involvement
• Unexplained time anomalies, suggesting that the timeline has been altered
• Unexpected delays or issues with the Apollo mission, masking a much larger, secret conflict

The hidden message across these newspapers is that:

the truth is technically “visible” to the public, but framed in a way that makes it easy to dismiss.

This fits the core Men in Black idea: the real story is always in plain sight, but never taken seriously.

1. Hidden messages in the newspapers related to the Moon and time travel in​

In Men in Black 3, there are several “hidden messages” (easter eggs) that appear in newspapers and subtly hint at the Moon, Apollo 11, and disturbances in time. They are typical MIB-style details: quick background shots that are easy to miss, but thematically very deliberate.

1. “Moon Landing Hoax Finally Proven True”​

This headline appears in the altered timeline.

• It references popular Moon-landing conspiracy theories
• In the MIB universe, it is partially true:
  
  • Apollo 11 was not a hoax
  • but it also was not only a human mission

Message: the public senses that something about the Moon is wrong, but cannot grasp the real truth (the ArcNet).

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2. “Strange Lights Seen Near Moon”​

• A direct reference to:
  
  • alien activity
  • the installation of the ArcNet
  • Griffin’s foreknowledge of future events

Hidden meaning: something non-human is happening during Apollo 11, but it is concealed from the public.

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3. “Scientists Puzzled by Time Anomalies”​

• Appears after Boris alters the timeline
• Suggests:
  
  • cracks in the timeline
  • side effects of time travel

Meaning: even with memory wipes, small inconsistencies in reality remain.

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4. “Apollo Mission Faces Unexpected Delays”​

• Refers to Boris interfering with the past
• On the surface, it looks like a technical or bureaucratic issue
• In reality, it masks a battle for Earth’s survival

Classic MIB idea: cosmic-level events are hidden behind boring headlines.

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5. “Cold War Tensions Shift Overnight”​

• Not directly about the Moon
• Implies:
  
  • changes in history
  • ripple effects of an altered timeline

Meaning: time travel does not change just one event — it reshapes the entire world.

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6. The combined meta-message of the newspapers​

When all these headlines are taken together, they suggest one clear idea:

Humanity senses that time and the Moon are not what they seem,
but never connects the dots.

This is the core philosophy of Men in Black:

• the truth is always right there
• but framed so it is never taken seriously

1. Why is Apollo 11 important in​

In the film, it is revealed that the Moon landing in 1969 was not only a human achievement, but also a secret MIB operation.

• The true purpose of Apollo 11 was the installation of the ArcNet
• ArcNet is a planetary defense shield that protects Earth from alien attacks
• The public believes the mission was purely scientific, but MIB knows the real truth

So:
Apollo 11 = a cover for installing a planetary defense system

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2. Who is the villain and what is his connection to time?​

The main villain is Boris the Animal.

• Boris is an alien who hates Agent K because, in 1969, K:
  
  • amputated his arm
  • captured him
• Boris uses a time-travel device (the Jump Gate) to go back to the past

His goal is to:

• kill the younger Agent K before K installs the ArcNet on the Moon
• erase the ArcNet from history

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3. What happens when history is changed?​

When Boris alters the past:

• the ArcNet is never installed
• Earth in the present day (2012) no longer has protection
• the alien race known as the Boglodites immediately attacks Earth
• Agent J notices the changes because he was close to the time jump

This is a classic case of an altered timeline

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4. Time travel: why does J go specifically to 1969?​

Agent J travels back to 1969 in order to:

• prevent Boris from killing Agent K
• make sure the Apollo 11 mission is completed successfully
• help the younger K install the ArcNet

During this period:

• we see a younger version of Agent K
• we meet Griffin, a being who can see all possible futures
• it is confirmed that Earth’s fate is directly tied to the success of Apollo 11

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5. The emotional twist (an important part of the story)​

Time travel is not just a sci-fi gimmick, but also an emotional storytelling tool.


It is revealed that Agent K:

• saved J when he was a child
• took on the role of quietly protecting him for his entire life

J realizes that K’s “coldness” has a much deeper reason.


This adds emotional weight to the mission and connects personal destiny with global history.

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6. In short – the connection between time travel and Apollo 11​

In Men in Black 3, Apollo 11 is:

• a key point in the timeline
• a secret MIB operation
• the reason Earth survives

Time travel is used to:

• prevent changes to this crucial moment
• preserve the ArcNet
• protect both the past and the present

 

[Deneb]

You mean that mason infested cosmic agency that employed paperclip nazis? Burnt astronauts alive? Pushes global warming, sea level rise agendas? Suppressed the 'alien' truth? Probably can't define what a woman is either. Oh! What's this?!?! However, in their defense, they didn't push long and hard on covid jabs

Those same fanboys generally believe and push the following, 911; global warming/climate change; covid; vaccines. I've written to fanboys politely requesting explanations for certain irregularities. Most times they don't answer, when they do they're often rude, arrogant and don't answer the question. Like you, they bring often the FE issue into it as well which most Apollo skeptics aren't. They never admit they're wrong they just move the goalposts.

From the 'MOONHOAX DEBUNKED' The boot prints, he uses an image from the poorly contrived Mythbuster's boot print video as proof. On right are my firefighting boot prints on the job in Penrose, NSW Australia.
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The image on the left shows a print using Lunar Regolith Simulant, specialized stuff apparently but I have an abundance of it six clicks down the road from me, there's even better material on the coast. When you film it in slo-mo it behaves very much like lunar dust in the Apollo videos. Unlimited supply in Saudi Arabia too!
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Take a look at the Saudi videos, play them in slo-mo. Watch how the sand in this video falls like 'lunar dust' in the 'Grand Prix' Take a look at this model buggy on coarse slightly damp sand.

Look at those rooster tails, must be in a vacuum in lunar gravity!
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Not saying its all fake but its not beyond the realm of impossibility.

Again totally understandable to send masons on mission which most probably will result with alien contact, did you expect them to send Chuck Norris and Schwarzenegger?
Masons are not some magical group of shadow power who lives behind your cupboard controlling your cat thoughts so he soils your carpet anytime you leave your home, you can join them and see yourself, they even have online lodges so you won't have to risk your life when exploring the idea.
Moon surface is not some specific beach which exactly fits fe narrative, if you would go to beach a bit more often you would know that sand there may be anything from hard surface which hardly leaves imprints to shifting sand where imprint is you.
And the rest of your statement, ok, nowadays all public corporate and what have you entities push the same rubbish, i'm sure your internet provider does it too but you still keep using it, same applies nasa, they should do what they know best but we live in era where everybody talk rubbish and brag about own expertise while having none

 

[Ian]

Again totally understandable to send masons on mission which most probably will result with alien contact, did you expect them to send Chuck Norris and Schwarzenegger?
Masons are not some magical group of shadow power who lives behind your cupboard controlling your cat thoughts so he soils your carpet anytime you leave your home, you can join them and see yourself, they even have online lodges so you won't have to risk your life when exploring the idea.
Moon surface is not some specific beach which exactly fits fe narrative, if you would go to beach a bit more often you would know that sand there may be anything from hard surface which hardly leaves imprints to shifting sand where imprint is you.
And the rest of your statement, ok, nowadays all public corporate and what have you entities push the same rubbish, i'm sure your internet provider does it too but you still keep using it, same applies nasa, they should do what they know best but we live in era where everybody talk rubbish and brag about own expertise while having none

Of course, Chuck Norris went to visit aliens to tell them they are not alone.

 

[Deneb]

Of course, Chuck Norris went to visit aliens to tell them they are not alone.

And that's why we have no disclosure and no more official visits from them
He beat the crap out of the hardest reptilians out there

 

[Brewer]

Again totally understandable to send masons on mission which most probably will result with alien contact, did you expect them to send Chuck Norris and Schwarzenegger?

Because masons are willing to lie. Didn't know masons where part of some galactic federation! Chuck Norris better choice over 'screw your freedoms' Arnold.

Masons are not some magical group of shadow power who lives behind your cupboard controlling your cat thoughts so he soils your carpet anytime you leave your home, you can join them and see yourself, they even have online lodges so you won't have to risk your life when exploring the idea.

My organization is infested with them and there are issues; corruption and sexual shenanigans which are ignored. I raised these issues and got slapped down, very corrosive. Some are OK, one told me the landings are faked and said Buzz was 33rd degree which meant they had him by the short and curlys.

Moon surface is not some specific beach which exactly fits fe narrative, if you would go to beach a bit more often you would know that sand there may be anything from hard surface which hardly leaves imprints to shifting sand where imprint is you.

So you've actually handled moon dirt? Was on the beach before I could walk, got the super 8 to prove it. Used to sand ski, horse ride and dirt bike on the large dunes that once stood there. This movie was set and filmed where I grew up. Beaches and dunes everywhere, loved it! Still do, I'll be at the beach tomorrow.

I watched them film it and this music video, with a reptoid in it! Those were the days

Also fished, camped, canoed and water skied dozens of inlets and estuaries, so I do have some experience.
If you took a few truck loads of fine Australian estuary sand, (beach sand is generally coarser) added color and filmed it in in slow motion you'd have moon dust. Not impossible to fake.

And the rest of your statement, ok, nowadays all public corporate and what have you entities push the same rubbish, i'm sure your internet provider does it too but you still keep using it, same applies nasa, they should do what they know best but we live in era where everybody talk rubbish and brag about own expertise while having none

Indeed, full of BS and for how long? Probably faking parts of it before I was born.

 

[Deneb]

Because masons are willing to lie. Didn't know masons where part of some galactic federation! Chuck Norris better choice over 'screw your freedoms' Arnold.

My organization is infested with them and there are issues; corruption and sexual shenanigans which are ignored. I raised these issues and got slapped down, very corrosive. Some are OK, one told me the landings are faked and said Buzz was 33rd degree which meant they had him by the short and curlys.

So you've actually handled moon dirt? Was on the beach before I could walk, got the super 8 to prove it. Used to sand ski, horse ride and dirt bike on the large dunes that once stood there. This movie was set and filmed where I grew up. Beaches and dunes everywhere, loved it! Still do, I'll be at the beach tomorrow.

I watched them film it and this music video, with a reptoid in it! Those were the days

Also fished, camped, canoed and water skied dozens of inlets and estuaries, so I do have some experience.
If you took a few truck loads of fine Australian estuary sand, (beach sand is generally coarser) added color and filmed it in in slow motion you'd have moon dust. Not impossible to fake.

Indeed, full of BS and for how long? Probably faking parts of it before I was born.

So the only option left is that you are not honest, not that much with us as with yourself, you know perfectly well that sand may be as hard as rock and as soft as pudding, but you choose to insist that it is somehow an argument in favor of faked moon landings.
It is not, same as myriad of other arguments, bent facts and misinterpreted observations.
None fits and all are easily debunked, but hey, who cares about reality when you are a cult member, just ignore the answers and come back with the same stuff tomorrow, after tomorrow and every day till the end of the universe.
Believe me i know how it works, i have been playing around multiple flerf groups for last few years and honestly i loved it, you are great fun, and mostly well mean people but you fallen for the biggest self multiplying sect of our times.
Guess who stands behind, who have interest in convincing humanity that cosmos doesn't exist...

 

[Brewer]

So the only option left is that you are not honest, not that much with us as with yourself, you know perfectly well that sand may be as hard as rock and as soft as pudding, but you choose to insist that it is somehow an argument in favor of faked moon landings.

And can be manipulated into many useful objects, glass, chips, filters, building materials and moonsets!

None fits and all are easily debunked

OK can you explain the 4 duplicated and distorted crosshairs from this image. Can you explain why they're duplicated; distorted and the duplications are have more definition and contrast than the crosshairs which are in direct contact with the film?

Here's a schematic of the lens, I've added the reseau plate in red, film is behind the plate and in direct contact with it, plate is 4mm thick. The aperture mechanism is housed within the lens elements.

I used to have my own darkroom and made hundreds of images. Friend of mine is a pro photographer who owns and used Apollo era Hasselblads. He's made 1000s of images, he says it can't happen. I'm off to the beach for 3 days! Merry Christmas!

 

[Deneb]

As you can see rest of the photo have original etched crosschairs but at this section where image is overexposed they just drew them by hand
What's so mysterious about that? it is not ancient Egyptian artifact but just a photo

 

[Brewer]

As you can see rest of the photo have original etched crosschairs but at this section where image is overexposed they just drew them by hand
What's so mysterious about that? it is not ancient Egyptian artifact but just a photo

Just come back from the beach. Drew them by hand?! That's a first! There are hundreds of duplicated crosshairs in dozens of images so they painstakingly (and badly) drew them by hand? Even when it wasn't necessary like in the example I provided where clear and symmetrical crosshairs are already present? So they tampered with the images in such a way but never told anyone, what else did they fake? However your explanation is far more plausible than the one from fanboys who claim the duplications are inter reflections off internal camera components. Looking at the various examples available it appears they used an overlay to make a standard circular sun flare effect common in Apollo images.

 

[Deneb]

Just come back from the beach. Drew them by hand?! That's a first! There are hundreds of duplicated crosshairs in dozens of images so they painstakingly (and badly) drew them by hand? Even when it wasn't necessary like in the example I provided where clear and symmetrical crosshairs are already present? So they tampered with the images in such a way but never told anyone, what else did they fake? However your explanation is far more plausible than the one from fanboys who claim the duplications are inter reflections off internal camera components. Looking at the various examples available it appears they used an overlay to make a standard circular sun flare effect common in Apollo images.

They didn't imagine that few decades later, there will be bunch of retards questioning every dust mote and every shadow, and if there is none editing the stuff and putting their own in
And that's why i said, it is not an ancient artifact but just a photo which was taken for the necessities of the project, they could paint dicks on it if it would further the subject study, because those are internat things of the organisation, i'm sure they would report back to congress but in which crazy mind could even appear the idea that they would do to fe crew?
So if you wanna have more insights you either study astrophysics, get into the circles and gain access to previously omitted details or take things on face value, but circumventing a whole journey and joining the cult of flying pizza and light bulbed sky- ceiling is an absolute cul de sac

 

[Brewer]

It's like the comet research. They have the technology to take high resolution pictures and yet, they release very low quality images to the public that makes people go nuts and exasperated. Amateurs with backyard telescopes were able to take better pictures of comets.

Ditto for the moon, backyard astronomers taking some excellent images and compiling them into one. Compare that to the offerings of Artemis I from the moon's backyard, nothing really that special

The real deal is possibly not available to the public

As a teen I loved the Voyager images of the planets, not so sure now, Mars too, looks like Earth with filters.

I have seen a flash of light, going from one side to the other, and of the scale of one quarter or half of your entire sky view. I knew it was not a natural or meteorological phenomenon when I saw it. It was not a migraine headache either. I asked once the Cs and they said it was a 4D bleedthrough. That's why I found it interesting to see the Cs response to those flashes of light in the moon, as part of the "altered reality".

Interesting, probably happens fairly regularly but remains largely unknown or passed off as something else. Recently my Deputy Captain told me of an experience he had as a young man. He observed the sky as a green laser grid pattern. As a builder he interpreted it as a 'alien' survey of the planet. Asked him what they here for, gently pushing the benevolent alien thing. He stated bluntly that Earth is a just a McDonalds for them and they consume us and other beings for food, in a 3D way. I was most surprised, he swallows everything the media/gov tells him, dutifully rolling up his sleeves for needles too. You never know!

 

[Brewer]

They didn't imagine that few decades later, there will be bunch of retards questioning every dust mote and every shadow, and if there is none editing the stuff and putting their own in
And that's why i said, it is not an ancient artifact but just a photo which was taken for the necessities of the project, they could paint dicks on it if it would further the subject study, because those are internat things of the organisation, i'm sure they would report back to congress but in which crazy mind could even appear the idea that they would do to fe crew?
So if you wanna have more insights you either study astrophysics, get into the circles and gain access to previously omitted details or take things on face value, but circumventing a whole journey and joining the cult of flying pizza and light bulbed sky- ceiling is an absolute cul de sac

A lot of hi-res material wasn't freely available until the 21st century for us retards to view! The Flickr site didn't come online until a decade ago and all the photos were cropped & shopped prior to release. NASA's NTRS became available in 1994 and many online Apollo documents are dated as acquired in 2013, with many still unavailable. The 'Lunar Grand Prix' wasn't cleaned and stabilized till six years ago. I've also asked astronauts various questions regarding modern space travel, no answers. No need to be an expert, knew covid was a scam less than 2 weeks in; knew Kirk wasn't hit by a 30-06 immediately. Knew &was was a great investment 10 years ago!
Anyway, apart from name calling and word salads what's your area of expertise?

 

[Ian]

Maybe we should focus more on something else for now regarding the moon landing...This type of conversation is not really fruitful perhaps, what do you think? I was interested in humans passing the Van Allen radiation belt. Charles Duke (astronaut) said in a podcast I shared in this thread that they were passing through outer portion of the belt at high speeds and were exposed to radiation for 3h (90min on the way to the moon and 90min back to Earth). This also aligns with the chapter 8.1 in the book I shared (also here in this thread) where the author says the same thing: The trajectories of all the moonshots were calculated to fly around the core of these donut-shaped belts and pass rapidly through their less intense outer portions.
And he gives reasonable propositions in that chapter that were based on official documentation that show how NASA managed the problem of passing through. For example, he links a paper RADIATION PLAN FOR THE APOLLO LUNAR MISSION which has to be paid for, but you can see the introduction portion and read that their main concerns were solar flares because the mission plan and spacecraft design were one of the easier tasks regarding Van Allen belt and so those two are what got them to pass through the belt without any special consequences. He also points out, regarding the radiation, that: According to NASA’s Biomedical Results of Apollo report (1975), over the course of the entire flight Lovell, Borman and Anders accumulated a radiation dose of 1.6 millisieverts. This is the equivalent of about twenty chest X-rays and is therefore far from being immediately lethal as some conspiracy theorists argue.
(second link is not valid anymore)
He also put in the chapter a message, an answer from Van Allen to someone asking him about the radiation:

Dear Mr. Lambert,

In reply to your e-mail, I send you the following copy of a response that I wrote to another inquiry about 2 months ago --

- The radiation belts of the Earth do, indeed, pose important constraints on the safety of human space flight.

- The very energetic (tens to hundreds of MeV) protons in the inner radiation belt are the most dangerous and most difficult to shield against. Specifically, prolonged flights (i.e., ones of many months' duration) of humans or other animals in orbits about the Earth must be conducted at altitudes less than about 250 miles in order to avoid significant radiation exposure.

- A person in the cabin of a space shuttle in a circular equatorial orbit in the most intense region of the inner radiation belt, at an altitude of about 1000 miles, would be subjected to a fatal dosage of radiation in about one week.

- However, the outbound and inbound trajectories of the Apollo spacecraft cut through the outer portions of the inner belt and because of their high speed spent only about 15 minutes in traversing the region and less than 2 hours in traversing the much less penetrating radiation in the outer radiation belt. The resulting radiation exposure for the round trip was less than 1% of a fatal dosage - a very minor risk among the far greater other risks of such flights. I made such estimates in the early 1960s and so informed NASA engineers who were planning the Apollo flights. These estimates are still reliable.

- The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense.

James A. Van Allen

People who think moon landing was a hoax usually present the Van Allen radiation belt as a proof that moon landing couldn't happen because radiation would kill astronauts or harm them badly, so this is a kind of "proof" that this is not the case it seems like. And too bad this Biomedical Results of Apollo report is not still available. But not a surprise since someone wanted to muddy the water regarding this issue.

 

[Ian]

Maybe we should focus more on something else for now regarding the moon landing...This type of conversation is not really fruitful perhaps, what do you think? I was interested in humans passing the Van Allen radiation belt. Charles Duke (astronaut) said in a podcast I shared in this thread that they were passing through outer portion of the belt at high speeds and were exposed to radiation for 3h (90min on the way to the moon and 90min back to Earth). This also aligns with the chapter 8.1 in the book I shared (also here in this thread) where the author says the same thing: The trajectories of all the moonshots were calculated to fly around the core of these donut-shaped belts and pass rapidly through their less intense outer portions.
And he gives reasonable propositions in that chapter that were based on official documentation that show how NASA managed the problem of passing through. For example, he links a paper RADIATION PLAN FOR THE APOLLO LUNAR MISSION which has to be paid for, but you can see the introduction portion and read that their main concerns were solar flares because the mission plan and spacecraft design were one of the easier tasks regarding Van Allen belt and so those two are what got them to pass through the belt without any special consequences. He also points out, regarding the radiation, that: According to NASA’s Biomedical Results of Apollo report (1975), over the course of the entire flight Lovell, Borman and Anders accumulated a radiation dose of 1.6 millisieverts. This is the equivalent of about twenty chest X-rays and is therefore far from being immediately lethal as some conspiracy theorists argue.
(second link is not valid anymore)
He also put in the chapter a message, an answer from Van Allen to someone asking him about the radiation:

People who think moon landing was a hoax usually present the Van Allen radiation belt as a proof that moon landing couldn't happen because radiation would kill astronauts or harm them badly, so this is a kind of "proof" that this is not the case it seems like. And too bad this Biomedical Results of Apollo report is not still available. But not a surprise since someone wanted to muddy the water regarding this issue.

found Biomedical Results of Apollo report (1975) in the archives

 

[Ian]

found Biomedical Results of Apollo report (1975) in the archives

Well, NASA also still has the same documentation on their website. Link that was provided in the book wouldn't load for me, and the domain pointed to NASA's website so I just assumed they removed those documents. Well I'll provide the following link from NASA on the subject as well, there you can download a pdf of a chapter you are interested in.

Biomedical Results of Apollo - NASA Technical Reports Server (NTRS)

The biomedical program developed for Apollo is described in detail. The findings are listed of those investigations which are conducted to assess the effects of space flight on man's physiological and functional capacities, and significant medical events in Apollo are documented. Topics...

ntrs.nasa.gov