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the following article in Russian is, in all seriousness, built around the following statement:

"The British Police forces that are investigating the circumstances surrounding the death of a former KGB official Alexandr Litvinenko, do not exclude that Litvinenko could have committed suicide in order to discredit Russian government"

http://www.rambler.ru/news/events/crime/9183272.html

they cite the Sunday issue of the Independent, probably meaning this article:

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/article2016151.ece

As absurd as it may be, it is a way for Russia to distance itself from tragedy while affirming growing nationalist and patriotic tendencies, and there will be someone who will believe this :(
 
Here is a comment from Komsomolskaya Pravda (my translation):

http://kp.ru/daily/23813/60324/

[...] One could have long discussions as to who would benefit from the death of Litvinenko. One thing, however, can be stated precisely: just before signing an agreement with EU, such a scandal is certainly not in the interests of Russia. It is now being used to put a pressure on the Kremlin.
My own guess is that "officially" the "Islamists" and the Russia will be blamed for this event. :lol:

CPRF already points the finger at China and Iran!

http://www.cprf.ru/news/party_news/45951.html
 
ark said:
My own guess is that "officially" the "Islamists" and the Russia will be blamed for this event. :lol:
And they will use "radioactive substance" as a hint that Iran is involved...
 
Hi. Well, it is certainly strange that the guy was so obviously murdered (as opposed to making it look like an accident), immediately putting the suspicion on Putin and the FSB. However, is it possible that the FSB was indeed behind this and that it WANTED others to know that it could murder at will? Was it a message for others? Did they know that they would get bad publicity but decided to go ahead anyway, knowing that after a while it would be forgotten?

I think that it is not the same thing with, for example, Syria. Syria has long ago been named part of the 'Axis of Evil', and the neocon/zionist hawks are circling around it. So Syria cannot risk ANY bad publicity, not the slightest. So I don't think Syria is behind the recent murders of the anti-Syrians in Lebanon. The campaign is sustained.

But in the case of Russia, we are talking here about a very powerful country. There is no sustained campaing against Putin. He is not usually and constantly demonized (though he probably deserves it!), at least not like Iran or Syria. In a couple of weeks time, the matter of Litvinenko will be forgotten by the media, unless something bigger happens. But those that needed to get the message will not forget.

Lets not forget that the 1999 bombings in Russia were a false-flag operation manufactured by the FSB when Putin was director. There's solid evidence of that. (BTW, Litvinenko published a book arguing exactly that.) The bombings were used to justify an invasion on Chechnya and Putin became so popular that he became president. Chechnya is Putin's little 'war on terror', and a dirty war it is.

In fact, I think that it is possible that the Beslan thing was also some sort of state-sponsored black-op. The reason is that, if I remember correctly, a parliamentary commission investigating Beslan concluded that "the truth was too scary to reveal to the public". What could that mean other than a powerful state/group was behind it, different from the Chechens?

So while it is possible that someone other than the FSB killed Litvinenko, I don't think we should discard Putin/FSB being behind this yet. Not even if the Western media are saying so. Sometimes the media will say the truth if it happens to be convenient at the moment.

Then there's also the possible links or confrontation (?) with the Talmudists. When Communism came down in Russia, did the architects of the World Revolution really lose power in Russia? Or are they still in there under a different name? Another way to put it is: Is Russia really opposed to the plans of the neocons/zionists or are they all in agreement at the top?

Any thoughts? (Joe, if you're reading this, what do you think?)
 
It is getting curioser and curioser:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/1bc23f9c-7f21-11db-b193-0000779e2340.html

Yegor Gaidar, Russia's former prime minister and the architect of the country's market reforms, last week suffered a sudden, unexplained and violent illness on a visit to Ireland, a day after Alexander Litvinenko, a former KGB spy, died in London from an apparent radiation poisoning.

Mr Gaidar is now in a stable condition at an undisclosed Moscow hospital, undergoing tests. In a telephone interview with the FT, Mr Gaidar said the doctors had so far been unable to identify the cause of the violent vomiting and bleeding that he suffered during a conference in Ireland.

<snip>

How it may possibly be connected to Litvinenko's death:

One of last people to meet Litvinenko before he came down with his symptoms was someone by name of Lugovoi, a former KGB official and an owner of a Moscow-based security firm. In the past, Lugovoi served as Yegor Gaidar's bodyguard and was the head of the security service at a television channel ORT, at the time owned by Berezovsky. Lygovoi also have been under a criminal investigation: he helped in the prison escape of a main witness against Berezovsky in the investigation of Berezovsky's looting of the Aeroflot (Russian International Airlines).
 
apeguia said:
So while it is possible that someone other than the FSB killed Litvinenko, I don't think we should discard Putin/FSB being behind this yet.
what bothers me is the Anna Politkovskaya connection. Litvinenko was supposedly investigating her murder and had just received some secret info before succumbing to his illness. Politkovskaya was shot in her neighborhood. However, a little over a year ago, when terrorists took hostage a school in Beslan, Politkovskaya was allegedly poisoned on her way there, from which she recovered. I think the alleged poison was tallium, although by now there is no mention of this incident on the net. Tallium was also initially mentioned in Litvinenko's case.
 
freetrinity said:
Yegor Gaidar, Russia's former prime minister and the architect of the country's market reforms, last week suffered a sudden, unexplained and violent illness on a visit to Ireland, a day after Alexander Litvinenko, a former KGB spy, died in London from an apparent radiation poisoning.

(...)

One of last people to meet Litvinenko before he came down with his symptoms was someone by name of Lugovoi, a former KGB official and an owner of a Moscow-based security firm. In the past, Lugovoi served as Yegor Gaidar's bodyguard and was the head of the security service at a television channel ORT, at the time owned by Berezovsky. Lygovoi also have been under a criminal investigation: he helped in the prison escape of a main witness against Berezovsky in the investigation of Berezovsky's looting of the Aeroflot (Russian International Airlines).
That's really interesting. Assuming for a moment that this Lugovoi was behind the poisoning and an attempt vs Gaidar (his ex-boss), who was he working for? Could be Berezovsky, who is also his ex-boss. Was Gaidar an outspoken enemy of Putin as well? If not, the crimes could have been carried out for purely mafia-related businesses amongst these people; not necessarily for political matters. And perhaps the media and the enemy's of Putin decided to sell Litvinenko's murder as politically motivated in an oportunistic way.

Then again, Lugovoi could have been 'recruited' by the FSB. Spies are good at recruiting people for their own purposes, as Ostrovsky's book shows.

All of the above, assuming that Lugovoi was the actual poisoner. Still too many assumptions and too little evidence, I think. I'm not ready to reach a conclusion on this one yet.
 
freetrinity said:
when terrorists took hostage a school in Beslan, Politkovskaya was allegedly poisoned on her way there, from which she recovered. I think the alleged poison was tallium, although by now there is no mention of this incident on the net. Tallium was also initially mentioned in Litvinenko's case.
More reason to suspect that the Beslan massacre was much more than meets the eye. False flag? Chechens who ignored they were being directed by state-terrorists? BTW, from which state? And for which purpose?
 
http://www.kommersant.com/p725048/Suleiman_Kerimov/

Suleiman Kerimov Badly Injured in Car Wreck

Suleiman Kerimov, the Russian businessman listed by Forbes as the 72nd richest person in the world, was seriously injured on Saturday in an automobile accident in Nice, France. He lost control of his Ferrari Enzo, which struck a tree at an enormous speed and burst into flames, as he was traveling from the local airport toward the city center. Kerimov was taken by helicopter to the regional burn center at Hopital de la Conception in Marseille. He is now on artificial respiration.
The accident occurred at about 3:30 p.m. on a stretch of the Promenade des Anglais where the speed limit is 50 km./h. Kerimov himself was behind the wheel and moving significantly faster then the speed limit when the black Ferrari unexpectedly crossed the sidewalk and struck a tree.

Kerimov and his passenger were pulled from the burning car by passersby, who also tried to extinguish the flames using clothing and rugs. It took fire brigades from the Nice airport to dowse the flames, however. The accident caused a two-hour traffic jam on the busy highway.

Police and an emergency helicopter appeared on the scene within moments. The helicopter took the seriously injured Kerimov to the burn center in Marseille. The female passenger in the car, who was less seriously inured, was taken to Saint Roch Hospital in Nice. A spokesman at the Russian consulate in Marseille, which also serves the Riviera, told Kommersant that they were maintaining "control" over the situation and that official information would be available on Monday.

A spokesman for the Nice police commissariat, Kommersant was told that the judicial police investigate road transport incidents. He refused to comment on the speed at which the Ferrari was traveling or to give the name of Kerimov's passenger. At the Maritime Alps Department police prefecture, they acknowledged that Kerimov may have been the victim of his own carelessness. "The accident may have occurred because the driver lost control," a spokesman said.

At the Marseille hospital center, which unites four hospitals, including Conception, where Kerimov is being cared for, Kommersant was told that Kerimov's family had requested that information on his condition not be made public. It became known that evening, however, that Kerimov had received numerous burns and a head injury and that his condition was worsening. Doctors were forced to place him on artificial respiration. At Saint Roche Hospital, they stated that the name of the passenger in the Ferrari is unknown because she was admitted "with no name indicated." Doctors declined to specify the nature of her injuries.

Kamilla Spence, vice president of BIN Bank, in which Kerimov hold almost 20 percent of the stock, told Kommersant that "at the present time, Mr. Kerimov is alive and doctors are controlling his condition." She added that bank president Mikhail Shishkhanov has flown from the United States to Marseille. Many members of the Dagestani diaspora have flown from Moscow to France as well.

Kerimov is a member of the Russian State Duma, deputy chairman of the Committee on Physical Fitness, Sports and Youth Affairs, and a member of the LDPR faction. LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky called the incident "a usual traffic accident" and said that Kerimov would receive "due attention." "If it had been an explosion, you could think that it was something like murder... This is a usual traffic accident, a purely technical moment, chance, and nothing more," Zhirinovsky said. He suggested that the cause of the accident was "objective." "There may have been sun. Maybe he could have been putting on sunglasses and was poorly oriented. We have to wait for information from the French police about what really happened. Maybe the car was defective. We don't know anything," he said.[b/]

Is it just me or is does sound like a lot of protesting..

Joe
 
The key is here, I think:

The accident occurred at about 3:30 p.m. on a stretch of the Promenade des Anglais where the speed limit is 50 km./h. Kerimov himself was behind the wheel and moving significantly faster then the speed limit when the black Ferrari unexpectedly crossed the sidewalk and struck a tree.
I remember reading somewhere that certain numbers are put into news stories to convey messages to members of "secret groups," to let other members know that the event was a result of their intervention. Among the numbers supposed to be used were 33. I also notice that the 50, juxtaposed against 33 is the "3/5 code" or the code of the Brotherhood of the Serpent, as the C's referred to it.

Then, the Ferrari "unexpectedly" went out of control. I don't know details, but I understand it isn't too difficult to install various types of destructive devices in automobiles that can be remotely triggered...

Question is: who benefits?
 
Joe said:
Is it just me or is does sound like a lot of protesting..
If you connect it with "Letvinenko affair" it's also looks like a definite message. Maybe one side of the chess players lost their grasp of the situation and now face a Check or even Checkmate. Looks like a battle of the Psychopathic Titans has openly declared in the public. :D
 
Joe said:
http://www.kommersant.com/p725048/Suleiman_Kerimov/

Suleiman Kerimov Badly Injured in Car Wreck
Kerimov himself was behind the wheel and moving significantly faster then the speed limit when the black Ferrari unexpectedly crossed the sidewalk and struck a tree.
This scenario seems quite unprobable. Here are some specificities of the Promenade des Anglais :
* it is a straight road
* there are 3 or 4 lanes on both sides
* there is a permanent speed cam
* there is a lot of traffic light
* at 3.30 pm on a weekday it is quite a busy road

So it doesnt seem so easy to me to drive very fast (even with a sport car) on this road at this time though it is not impossible.
 
Joe wrote in his latest article:

Joe said:
The Pentagon desires "civil war" in Iraq for three main reasons:

To distract, confuse and demoralise real Iraqi insurgents who are attempting to evict US forces from Iraq.

To demoralise and traumatise Iraqi civilians, both Shia and Sunni in the hope that they will turn against the insurgency and demand peace at any cost.

To draw the real Iraqi insurgency's attention and fire away from US troops.
I think there's a fourth reason, perhaps the main reason:

To force the conclusion that the only solution for Iraq is cutting the country in three ethnic regions.

This would allow for a 'finer control' of the area, and would fulfill part of a 1980s Zionist plan to 'balcanize' Israel's enemies and turn them into harmless satellites. In fact, the more I think about it, the more it seems to me that this was the plan all along.
 
An interesting article:

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2005/02/1711174.php

Israeli Interpol Fugitives in DC
by Alison Weir Friday, Feb. 18, 2005 at 7:33 AM

Russian billionaire "oligarchs" -- with Israeli citizenship -- were recently at the National Prayer breakfast attended by Bush and the Int'l. Relations Committee, hosted by ranking Dem Tom Lantos. Why did the media cover this up?

COUNTERPUNCH:

February 17, 2005

Do Americans Even Care?
Russia, Israel and Media Omissions
By ALISON WEIR

As is often the case with AP's coverage of news having to do with Israel, there's a serious omission in its reporting on the Russia-Israel connection even when it involves oil and the United States.

The day after the State of the Union Address, two Interpol fugitives attended the "National Prayer Breakfast" held in Washington DC. The day before that, these fugitives from the law were the guests of honor at an hour-long meeting of the International Relations Committee on Capitol Hill, invited by ranking Democrat Tom Lantos (Calif.)

You would think it would be hot news when wanted men being hunted by European police suddenly pop up in the US particularly on Capitol Hill and at events attended by the US president.

Yet, there was not a single AP story in the US on any of this. [1] Not a single national network television or radio news program even mentioned these facts. In fact, Google and LexisNexis searches four days after these events took place turned up only three newspaper articles on them anywhere in the entire country. [2]

Who are these fugitives from the law, wanted by Interpol, who are meeting at the highest levels of the US government? And why didn't we learn of them?

Therein lies the story. These two men, it turns out, are just the tips of a colossal iceberg. And this iceberg doesn't just have 90 percent of its mass hidden under water; this iceberg is almost entirely submerged.

They are Mikhail Brudno and Vladimir Dubov, Israeli-Russian partners in the giant Russian oil company Yukos. They, along with a number of their cronies, are wanted by Interpol for allegedly bilking Russian citizens out of billions of dollars. To elude Russian prosecution, these men have taken up residence in Israel. [3]

As the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz explains: "In recent years Russian authorities began investigating [Yukos], its managers and major stockholders, many of whom are of Jewish origin. The probes caused several of the managers to flee to Israel, and resulted in Khodorkovski's [Yukos CEO] arrest and a Kremlin attack on Yukos."

The fact is that Israel is an important factor in the ongoing, nation-shaking power struggle now going on in Russia. Yet AP virtually never reports this connection. For example, a few months ago in a typical AP story on this power struggle, "Report: Russia again charges Berezovsky," [4] Moscow AP Bureau Chief Judith Ingram makes no mention anywhere that Berezovsky is an Israeli citizen, or of his many connections to Israel.

Such omissions by AP and large swaths of the American media leave Americans seriously disadvantaged in deciphering what is going on in Russia, and its profound significance for the world.

In order to make sense of this Russian power struggle, and to understand its importance to the rest of us, it is necessary to understand the usually omitted Israeli subtext. When this is understood, the friendship of such pro-Israel Congressional leaders as Rep. Lantos to fugitive Russian oil tycoons begins to make sense.

To explore this background it is often useful to turn to the Israeli press. In July a major Israeli publication, the Jerusalem Post, carried an article headlined: "Boris Berezovsky: Putin's Russia dangerous for Israel." Before describing what this contained, let us first go into a little of the background.



The Oligarchs

Boris Berezovsky is one of seven "oligarchs," as they are known both inside and outside Russia: massively rich, powerful manipulators who through violence, theft and corruption acquired a mammoth percentage (reports range from 70 to 85 percent) of Russia's resources, from its oil to the auto industry to mass media outlets.

At the same time, the group steadily gained control over much of the country's political apparatus. Using extraordinary financial resources and insider dealing, the oligarchs handpicked prime ministers and governmental leaders and barely even bothered to do this behind the scenes.

In 1997 Yukos founder Mikhail Khodorkovsky, one of the group and Russia's sometimes richest man (several of the oligarchs trade the top spot back and forth) told an interviewer before he was arrested and imprisoned by Putin last year:

"If we rank all the fields of man's activity by profitability, politics will be the most lucrative business. When we see a critical situation in the government, we draw lots in order to pick out a person from our milieu for work in power." [5]

Almost all of these oligarchs, it turns out, have significant ties to Israel. In fact, Berezovsky himself has Israeli citizenship a fact that caused a scandal of Watergate proportions in Russia in 1996 when it was exposed by a Russian newspaper. [6]

Do Berezovsky's dual loyalties really matter? Yes. In the realm of global dominance, Israel's interests and Russia's are considerably divergent. It is in Israel's interests to bring to power a regime in Russia friendly to Israel, rather than the current one under Putin, which Israeli leaders feel is supportive of its enemies. Not long ago, for example, Putin met with Syrian leaders an action highly disturbing to Israel.

Having an Israeli citizen at the highest levels of the Russian government is ideal, from Israel's point of view. In Berezovsky they had such a man. The Jerusalem Post article mentioned above is revealing. It describes Berezovsky as "the Godfather of the Oligarchs' and Kingmaker of Russia's Politics'" and reports Berezovsky's statement that "Putin's Russia is dangerous for Israel." Berezovsky goes on to assert that Putin "supports terror" in the Middle East through Russia's previous relations with Iraq and current relations with Iran. [7]

While Israelis may have been delighted at Berezovsky's position in Russia, It is not surprising that Russian citizens were somewhat less so. Finding that a powerful leader and member of the Russian Security Council was an Israeli citizen was disconcerting, at best.

As a result of the media uproar over Berezovsky's Israeli citizenship and other events, the Oligarchs' connections to Israel are widely known in Russia and elsewhere. In Israel they are covered frequently, often with adulation, including a recent hit Israeli TV series called "The Oligarchs."

"Some of its episodes," according to Israeli writer Uri Avnery, "are simply unbelievable or would have been, if they had not come straight from the horses' mouths: the heroes of the story, who gleefully boast about their despicable exploits. The series was produced by Israeli immigrants from Russia."

Avnery writes that the oligarchs used "cheating, bribery and murder," as they "exploited the disintegration of the Soviet system to loot the treasures of the state and to amass plunder amounting to hundreds of billions of dollars. In order to safeguard the perpetuation of their business, they took control of the state. Six out of the seven are Jews." [8]

According to a Washington Post story by David Hoffman, the group bought and controlled Russian governmental officials at the highest levels. After financing Yeltsin's election in 1996, Hoffman writes: "The tycoons met and decided to insert one of their own into government. They debated who and chose [Vladimir] Potanin, who became deputy prime minister. One reason they chose Potanin was that he is not Jewish, and most of the rest of them are, and feared a backlash against the Jewish bankers." [9]

In Russia, the oligarchs are deeply loathed, considered villains who worked to bleed the country dry; during their reign many Russian citizens saw their life savings disappear overnight. A new term was coined for their dominance, "semibankirshchina" (the rule of the seven bankers), and they were widely known to have wielded small, murderous armies. There are rumors that Berezovsky, subject of the respectful AP article, was even responsible for the gunning down of an American journalist, Forbes Moscow editor Paul Klebnikov.

While no one has been charged with the murder of Klebnikov, who had written a book on Berezovsky, many suspect a Berezovsky connection. As a friend of Klebnikov wrote: "Experienced expatriates in Russia shared an essential rule: Don't cross these brutal billionaires, ever, or you're likely to go home in a box." [10]



The Chechnya Connection

There is evidence that Berezovsky's responsibility for death and tragedy may be vastly greater.

"Berezovsky boasts that he caused the war in Chechnya," Avnery reports, "in which tens of thousands have been killed and a whole country devastated. He was interested in the mineral resources and a prospective pipeline there. In order to achieve this he put an end to the peace agreement that gave the country some kind of independence. The oligarchs dismissed and destroyed Alexander Lebed, the popular general who engineered the agreement, and the war has been going on since then.

"In the end," Avnery writes, "there was a reaction: Vladimir Putin, the taciturn and tough ex-KGB operative, assumed power, took control of the media, put one of the oligarchs (Mikhail Khodorkovsky) in prison, caused the others to flee (Berezovsky is in England, Vladimir Gusinsky is in Israel, another, Mikhail Chernoy, is assumed to be hiding here.)"

Yet, apart from the Washington Post, American media report on almost none of this. Instead, US coverage largely portrays Berezovsky and his crowd as American-style entrepreneurs who are being hounded by a Russian government whose actions are, to repeat the media's commonly used phrase, "politically motivated."

US news stories, even when they occasionally do hint at questionable practices, tend to use such phrases as "brash young capitalists" to describe the oligarchs. [11] For example, a long series co-produced by FRONTLINE and the New York Times referred to these men as "shrewd businessmen," and asked "what it's like to be young, Russian and newly affluent?" [12] Massive violence, dual loyalties, and control of resources are rarely, if ever, part of the picture.

When AP Moscow bureau chief Ingram was asked for this article about Berezovsky's Israeli citizenship, she claimed to know nothing about it, a curious contention for someone who has been an AP news editor in Moscow since 1999. When Ingram was queried further, she hung up the phone.

An examination of Ingram's reporting on the Berezovsky story cited above raises serious questions. Though she is located in Moscow, Ingram interviewed only two people for her news story: Berezovsky, who is in London, and Berezovsky associate Alex Goldfarb, in New York. One wonders why she interviewed none of the Russians residing around her.

Similarly, one wonders why not a single AP story has identified Berezovsky's considerable connection to Israel.

Further, nowhere does Ingram's article convey the ruthlessness of the oligarchs' actions, or the significance of their holdings, including control of its media. Unnoted in Ingram's report is the fact that her subject and fellow oligarch Vladimir Gusinsky have been two of Russia's most powerful media tycoons.

Before Putin's crackdown, according to the Washington Post, oligarchs had succeeded in seizing "the reins of Russia's print and broadcast media, vital to the evolution of the country's fledgling democracy and growth of its nascent civil society." Berezovsky crony Gusinsky, who is close friends with Rupert Murdoch and was about the launch a satellite network, fled to Israel when it appeared he would be arrested." [13]

Somehow, AP's bureau chief seems to have missed all this.



Does this matter to Americans?

AP is the major news source for the thousands of news outlets around the country who cannot afford to have their own foreign correspondents. When AP chooses not to cover something, its omission is felt throughout the nation. When national news networks and others leave out the same facts, the cover-up is almost total.

Russia, despite its current turmoil, contains enormous power. Its natural resources are gargantuan: it possesses the world's largest natural gas reserves, the second largest coal reserves, and the eighth largest oil reserves. It is the world's largest exporter of natural gas, the second largest oil exporter, and the third largest energy consumer.[14] Russia's significance on the world stage now, as in the past, is immense.

Similarly, the United States is currently the most powerful nation on earth. It is therefore essential that its citizens be accurately informed on issues of significance. Israeli citizens, Russian citizens, and citizens of nations throughout the world know the information detailed above. It is critical that American citizens be no less well informed.

For years, the neocons' push for war against Iraq was unreported by the US media. For even longer, the neocons' close connections to Israel have gone largely unmentioned in mainstream American news reports. As a result, very few Americans know to what degree many of those responsible for the tragic US invasion and occupation of Iraq have been motivated by Israeli concerns.

The omission in coverage of Iraq has been profoundly disastrous, both for the Middle East and for Americans. In fact, it is quite likely that only history will show the true extent of this disaster. It is deeply troubling to see the same kind of omission occurring on Russia.

Alison Weir is Executive Director of If Americans Knew
 
apeguia said:
Joe wrote in his latest article:

Joe said:
The Pentagon desires "civil war" in Iraq for three main reasons:

To distract, confuse and demoralise real Iraqi insurgents who are attempting to evict US forces from Iraq.

To demoralise and traumatise Iraqi civilians, both Shia and Sunni in the hope that they will turn against the insurgency and demand peace at any cost.

To draw the real Iraqi insurgency's attention and fire away from US troops.
I think there's a fourth reason, perhaps the main reason:

To force the conclusion that the only solution for Iraq is cutting the country in three ethnic regions.

This would allow for a 'finer control' of the area, and would fulfill part of a 1980s Zionist plan to 'balcanize' Israel's enemies and turn them into harmless satellites. In fact, the more I think about it, the more it seems to me that this was the plan all along.
Indeed, forgot about that one, we have mentioned this before, that the council on foreign relations stated this as an explicit objective back in 2003:

"The only viable strategy, then, may be to correct (Iraq's) historical defect and move in stages toward a three-state solution: Kurds in the north, Sunnis in the center and Shiites in the south" -- Leslie H. Gelb, president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations; from "Three-state Solution" NY Times 11-25-2003 [i/]

have added to the latest piece.

Thanks

Joe
 
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