anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Exactly -that is because Telperion is clearly more interested in what he has to say about any subject at all than in learning. The research on all of this has been covered - in depth - on the SotT page and discussed on this forum, but Telperion enjoys the 'sound' of his voice too much to do the research. He has been asked several times to control his self-importance to some degree and read more and post less, yet he not only continues - he expects the information to be handed to him on a silver platter.Shane said:It would be of use to both yourself and the group if you took Anarts advise and did some research. It's strange that you say that you really want to know while asking someone else to provide information for you. The evidence for warming on other planets is out there if you want to look. And on the contrary, I think 'man-made' global warming is much more placating - it comforts people into thinking that they might be able to stop it.Telperion said:This is interesting however what proof do you have that Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are heating up? I really would like to know this, and I would like to know how much this information can be trusted as being more than a red herring/tool of placation.
As Laura posted earlier: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8101.msg57925#msg57925
This forum has been patient with Telperion - and quite gentle, but the point has not gotten through, so, perhaps a more blunt and straightforward approach will help.Laura said:One of my favorite stories is about the young fellow who wanted to study with a certain yogi hermit in Tibet. (Told by Alexandra David-Neel). Anyway, he journeyed over mountain and valley, forded rivers and climbed rocks to get to the hermit's cave. The hermit's attendant told him to sit and wait until the hermit sent for him. Well, he waited years... and finally, the hermit sent for him and told him that he had to be willing to pay the price...
People are not willing to pay even the smallest price - the price of their self-importance and silliness and lies to and about the self. That's all we ask here: that you come in sincerity, behave cleanly, and have a burning desire to connect and learn.
That's it.
Is it too much to expect?
As Henry wrote last year to another individual who could not 'get it':
... and http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8130.msg58175#msg58175Henry said:Our goal here is to weed through the garbage to find the pearls. Part of that means that when a newbie arrives, we expect them to do the work of catching up themselves by reading through the archives. We do what we can to help newcomers out, but they are expected to be able to get up to speed themselves. We don't have the time to handhold. Sorry, but that's how it is. The world is on fire.
There are certain teachings and ideas that we have, through our many, many years of research, been able to put in the box of disinformation. If someone comes here and starts putting forward those ideas, they will be asked to do the research necessary to understand why we have moved beyond those topics and why we don't talk about them any longer. They need to do the reading and research to understand what we have to say about it. Then, if they have some new data that we are not aware of, they are welcome to contribute, but if they want to rehash old topics that we have already been through, we don't have the time.
This is a forum for active and ongoing research. It isn't a debating society.
It comes down to the purpose of the forum. The purpose of this forum is for people to work together to uncover the truth about this world. That means a critical and scientific spirit. It means that at a certain point, a decision is taken about the value of certain ideas. A judgement is made. It doesn't mean a free-for-all of ideas, which is an enviroment where no serious work can be done.
People either "get it" or they don't. If people get it, they are happy to contribute to our work. If they don't, then their participation here will only prevent others from doing that work.
If people don't like the rules, they can go elsewhere. Nothing is forcing anyone to come here.
