Mother of Storms

Shane said:
Telperion said:
This is interesting however what proof do you have that Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are heating up? I really would like to know this, and I would like to know how much this information can be trusted as being more than a red herring/tool of placation.
It would be of use to both yourself and the group if you took Anarts advise and did some research. It's strange that you say that you really want to know while asking someone else to provide information for you. The evidence for warming on other planets is out there if you want to look. And on the contrary, I think 'man-made' global warming is much more placating - it comforts people into thinking that they might be able to stop it.
Exactly -that is because Telperion is clearly more interested in what he has to say about any subject at all than in learning. The research on all of this has been covered - in depth - on the SotT page and discussed on this forum, but Telperion enjoys the 'sound' of his voice too much to do the research. He has been asked several times to control his self-importance to some degree and read more and post less, yet he not only continues - he expects the information to be handed to him on a silver platter.

As Laura posted earlier: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8101.msg57925#msg57925

Laura said:
One of my favorite stories is about the young fellow who wanted to study with a certain yogi hermit in Tibet. (Told by Alexandra David-Neel). Anyway, he journeyed over mountain and valley, forded rivers and climbed rocks to get to the hermit's cave. The hermit's attendant told him to sit and wait until the hermit sent for him. Well, he waited years... and finally, the hermit sent for him and told him that he had to be willing to pay the price...

People are not willing to pay even the smallest price - the price of their self-importance and silliness and lies to and about the self. That's all we ask here: that you come in sincerity, behave cleanly, and have a burning desire to connect and learn.

That's it.

Is it too much to expect?
This forum has been patient with Telperion - and quite gentle, but the point has not gotten through, so, perhaps a more blunt and straightforward approach will help.

As Henry wrote last year to another individual who could not 'get it':

Henry said:
Our goal here is to weed through the garbage to find the pearls. Part of that means that when a newbie arrives, we expect them to do the work of catching up themselves by reading through the archives. We do what we can to help newcomers out, but they are expected to be able to get up to speed themselves. We don't have the time to handhold. Sorry, but that's how it is. The world is on fire.

There are certain teachings and ideas that we have, through our many, many years of research, been able to put in the box of disinformation. If someone comes here and starts putting forward those ideas, they will be asked to do the research necessary to understand why we have moved beyond those topics and why we don't talk about them any longer. They need to do the reading and research to understand what we have to say about it. Then, if they have some new data that we are not aware of, they are welcome to contribute, but if they want to rehash old topics that we have already been through, we don't have the time.

This is a forum for active and ongoing research. It isn't a debating society.

It comes down to the purpose of the forum. The purpose of this forum is for people to work together to uncover the truth about this world. That means a critical and scientific spirit. It means that at a certain point, a decision is taken about the value of certain ideas. A judgement is made. It doesn't mean a free-for-all of ideas, which is an enviroment where no serious work can be done.

People either "get it" or they don't. If people get it, they are happy to contribute to our work. If they don't, then their participation here will only prevent others from doing that work.

If people don't like the rules, they can go elsewhere. Nothing is forcing anyone to come here.
... and http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=8130.msg58175#msg58175
 
Telperion said:
This is interesting however what proof do you have that Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are heating up? I really would like to know this, and I would like to know how much this information can be trusted as being more than a red herring/tool of placation.
I'll give you just one example. What about typing for example "mars heating up" into a search engine. There is a very famous one you know for sure.
 
I recently finished reading this book, after seeing it mentioned in another post in another thread, and completely agree with Laura's original post on: September 07, 2006, 08:36:48 PM »
Laura said:
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What is useful about the book - ... - is that the author, John Barnes, presents some real science in the narrative and his descriptions of what can happen and how are well-researched.

His descriptions of the Mind Net thing are presages of the Matrix, and is a very sick sort of way, the book accurately describes American Society at its core even if it is only slightly futuristic. And I mean slightly. Stuff that he was writing about as VERY future when he wrote this book is almost on top of us now. This book will give the internet an all new meaning! WARNING: Some of it is quite graphic!!!

Warning again: some tedious parts, slow going here and there, but when it heats up, it'll keep you awake and you won't want to skip the tedious parts because then you'll be lost.

Overall, though, for the concepts he devlops, it is a MUST read.
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I agree, it is a must read, for where we nearly are (already are?).
 
Hey Gang, we were reading this one amongst some of us and I found it to be particularly annoying. I'll try to sum up my feelings. To be fair, I only read 67% of the story before giving up. At that point I was almost invested, and if I hadn't been reading it for the purposes of discussion I probably would have dropped it much sooner, around 10-15%.

A big problem I have with the text is that it's written in present tense. For a narrative, this really doesn't work. Especially for longer narratives. A short story, sure, but not a novel. The problem is that it gives everything a very immediate sense, an urgency. After a few hundred pages, it becomes tedious. A lot of the story isn't urgent either, it can be slow. In the beginning I had trouble following the cast of characters as there are quite a few, and they are just going about their lives doing their everyday stuff. Granted: One is an astronaut, another a brilliant scientist floating around the Pacific in her 'MyBoat', a very cool female President of the USA and her right hand man, another guy who is hunting for daughter's killer, a budding journalist, a famous actress and a typical american-bro esque college student and his ultra-liberal global-conscious girlfriend. The american bro also has a brother who works for NOAA and is in charge of figuring out the real deal.

That brings me to my second big complaint, there are too many characters, and no one protagonist. Each of them has their own story, their own subplot, and the over-arching plot is how the storm(s) affect each of them and how they deal with it. I'm also a little miffed that the antagonist is a super-hurricane(s). I mean, using a natural phenomenon or a situation as an antagonist does work. I really liked the movie The Day after Tomorrow, and Titanic is a great situational antagonist. What really is killing it for me is the lack of attachment to the characters.

I also think that's a byproduct of having too many, but I could be wrong (LoTR for example).

The third thing that erks me is all the sex. It's also weird sex in a lot of ways, especially when they get into the XV (like virtual reality) torture-porn. I understand why it works thematically, but it's distracting. It felt like he was trying too hard to write an 'adult' novel and needed to address sex because his characters have it, a lot. I thought it could have been done in a more tasteful manner. Maybe he's just a horn-ball, idk.

I did like the science though. It was obvious he did his research, and his scenario is plausible. The descriptions of the behavior of the weather were pretty awesome, I had no problem visualizing it. But when people die and numbers and places are used along with throw-away characters the audience will have difficulty forming an attachment to anyone in the text. Without empathy, without feeling like we're going through what they are and care about what happens to them - there's really no point. That is my fourth and final complaint.

;-)
 
Puck said:
I did like the science though. It was obvious he did his research, and his scenario is plausible. The descriptions of the behavior of the weather were pretty awesome, I had no problem visualizing it. But when people die and numbers and places are used along with throw-away characters the audience will have difficulty forming an attachment to anyone in the text. Without empathy, without feeling like we're going through what they are and care about what happens to them - there's really no point. That is my fourth and final complaint.

;-)

Yes, it was an annoying, difficult read in many respects, but the weather things were intensely interesting. Too bad they were sort of lost in all the other mess.
 
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