Motorsport boss Max Mosley and his Sado-Masochistic Sickness

[pathwhisperer]

Well, I don't think there is any question that Max Mosley was set up - you have to be sorry for him in a way. However, he can be incredibly high handed and arrogant (another psychopathic trait) - and I believe somebody made him pay.

I've been a Formula One fan for years. Indeed there were a couple years when we scheduled our summers around catching the races live, no matter what time of day it was - believe it or not. I've heard Max being called Bernie's fingerpuppet. Bernie usually pretends to be above the fray, and then Max carries out what Bernie would have wanted anyway. When he can get away with it, Max is just incredibly rude - the way psychopaths love to be if nobody stops them.

For who set him up, my money (with utterly no evidence) would be on Michelin or someone connected with them. There was a whole saga of their mistreatment and ultimate expulsion from F1 carried out by Bernie with the utmost craftiness.

Other psychopathic traits that appear in the Mosley story are self-hate (I believe that psychopaths interpret their condition as sort of a punishment, and live almost pickled in self-hate which they can relieve by degrading others) and relieving sexual boredom. Since emotionless friction orgasms are all they know, they need to spice it up.

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[anart]

I believe that psychopaths interpret their condition as sort of a punishment, and live almost pickled in self-hate which they can relieve by degrading others

You may want to do more reading on psychopaths. Self-hate does not enter the equation, simply because essential psychopaths do not think anything is wrong with them - at all - on any level. They might realize they are different, but it is not, to them, in a 'negative' way, so there is nothing to 'hate' themselves over.

 

[pathwhisperer]

Well, I'm going by psychopaths I have known. I have learned many things from writers on psychopathy -- I'm delighted to discover facets of the condition that I had never considered, or a crystallized line of reasoning where I had had only random thoughts, or succinct phrases that communicate more than paragraphs. However it's unlikely that I would ever find a writer who could convince me that the blue sky I am looking at is actually green. The self-hate at the level of "unconscious soul motivation" of psychopaths is a direct reading from interactions with psychopathic individuals.

Also, it seems to me, that self-hate is directly expressed in SM practices. I would recommend the movie The Savage Nights (Les Nuits Fauves), written by, directed by and acted in by the psychopath Cyril Collard -- for the purposes of this discussion pay attention to the under the bridge sex scenes.

Furthermore what is the motivation of the financial parasitical elite (also called the vampire elite or the elitopaths)? A "tide that lifts all boats" means nothing to them. They want the masses dirt poor so they can truly know their own worth -- I believe it is only this that will overcome their self-hate. The current push for globalism is just such an attempt. The globalists want the common folk of the 1st world reduced to third world conditions. In the U.S. they are breaking the back of the middle class and the labor movement.

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[Tigersoap]

Well, I'm going by psychopaths I have known. I have learned many things from writers on psychopathy -- I'm delighted to discover facets of the condition that I had never considered, or a crystallized line of reasoning where I had had only random thoughts, or succinct phrases that communicate more than paragraphs....

What I find intriguing is that you started a blog about Sociopathy (refusing, it seems, to name Psychopathy on your blog but not in here, because it is so pejorative.) but I'd be curious to know your credentials if any ?

Where did you catch that Cyril Collard was a psychopath ?
What clued you in ??

 

[mcb]

From my own experience, I really do not think that self-hate underlies BDSM activities, and in my most direct encounter with a psychopath (I shared a house with one for six months), I didn't see any signs of self-hate. I am remembering other things that i did see in those six months, that I hadn't noticed before.

At one point this person attended a hearing where he was caught in some of his misrepresentations, and he described what happened very matter-of-factly. There was certainly no remorse, and as I think about it now, he may actually have sounded proud of his performance at the hearing. I was so fed up by this point that I didn't try to understand what was odd about his account of the hearing. I and the other person sharing the house were more concerned to learn that he was being investigated and watched, and that we might inadvertently become involved in it. We made him leave soon afterward. He projected a strong "poor me," but I had no sense that there was any feeling behind it--it was just his way of getting what he wanted. He didn't seem to possess the usual emotional spectrum into which self-hate would fall (at the low end). Really, it was a "poor us." He said little about his own feelings but he claimed to represent a particular mistreated class of people to which he didn't actually belong and about which he understood very little. One word sums it all up--"weird!"

Going back to the BDSM aspect. I don't know anything about SM specifically, but I really think this has to do with sexual relationships and not self-hate. I chose not to beccome involved because of the way it appeared, and because the activities seemed to represent affirmations of things that I didn't want manifesting in my life. I have never been into self-hate and I think that most people in that community would say the same. There may, however, be a connection with negative experiences while growing up, or at least I think it did for me. So I think that "self-hate" is too strong a term, but I would agree that a degree of self-rejection may be part of it for some people. Psychopaths may have their own unique way of relating to BDSM, but I really wouldn't know about that.

 

[Pierre]

The self-hate at the level of "unconscious soul motivation" of psychopaths

Could you explain what the "uconscious soul motivation" of psychopaths is ?

The Savage Nights (Les Nuits Fauves), written by, directed by and acted in by the psychopath Cyril Collard

What data allow you to state that Cyril Collard was a psychopath ?

 

[anart]

Well, I'm going by psychopaths I have known. I have learned many things from writers on psychopathy -- I'm delighted to discover facets of the condition that I had never considered, or a crystallized line of reasoning where I had had only random thoughts, or succinct phrases that communicate more than paragraphs. However it's unlikely that I would ever find a writer who could convince me that the blue sky I am looking at is actually green. The self-hate at the level of "unconscious soul motivation" of psychopaths is a direct reading from interactions with psychopathic individuals.

Nope. Apologies, and I'm sure you have 'noticed this' in people you are dealing with but if you've noticed this, these people are NOT essential psychopaths. It sounds like you are dealing with people with NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) or severely damaged people who behave in a psychopathic manner - NOT essential psychopaths. There is a very, very distinct difference. It is crucially important to grok this difference because psychopaths in power have gone to great lengths to blur that line, and your web page indicates that you've bought into that a bit.

The fact of the matter is that blurring the line between psychopathy and sociopathy benefits exactly one segment of the population - psychopaths.

So, it might be well worth your time to study the quite distinct difference between essential psychopaths and the rest of the population, since 'self-hate' is simply not possible for an essential psychopath - no wiring for it on any level.