Need Help Finding an Article re: 'Framing'

Re: Need Help Finding an Article re: 'Framing' (Scarlet)

I'm back!

Earlier you mentioned this:

"I would like to also say that I think it's important to be careful with our thoughts and feelings regarding the psychopaths among us. It would be immoral, IMO, to go on a witch hunt for them. The only way to deal with this is by educating ourselves and others, I think."

What exactly did you mean about being careful about our thoughts? I think I know, but I'd like to hear it from you.

But the main reason I responded a second time, was because of the 'witch hunt' portion.

What led you to bring 'witch hunt' into the conversation?

Thanks!

Chang

P.S. While I was seeing the psychiatrist, he agreed that the sociopath fit every description to a 'T'. We did, however, agree that it would be counter-productive for me to bring the sociopath to our session. I think it was something to do with a conflict of interest, or something like that.
 
Re: Need Help Finding an Article re: 'Framing' (Bud & Palinurus)

Hello Chang, wow that's a lot of devastation! I know what you mean about how psychopaths get this "duping delight" over the fact that they are able to hurt other people so I see what you mean with your remarks about empowering them. I just thought that actually getting away from them would not necessarily give them power. They will find their victims whether or not you and your family are around and the fewer people who are around them the less chance they have to victimize people, I would think.

Chang said:
That doesn't seem like the responsible thing to do, sort of like owning a rice patty in Viet Nam, finding out it has land mines all over the place, and allowing others to work there. You have to acknowledge the potential for disaster still exists, and I would think the right thing to do is remove the problem, not the victim.

So does anyone know of a practical way of removing these monsters from society?
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I mentioned the phrase "witch hunt" as a response to your remark that I quoted above, because I perceived you were perhaps likening psychopaths to land mines and suggesting that removing them from where they could cause harm to others would remove the problem.

Chang said:
Earlier you mentioned this:
"I would like to also say that I think it's important to be careful with our thoughts and feelings regarding the psychopaths among us. It would be immoral, IMO, to go on a witch hunt for them. The only way to deal with this is by educating ourselves and others, I think."

What exactly did you mean about being careful about our thoughts? I think I know, but I'd like to hear it from you.
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I think your quote above about wanting to "remove the problem, not the victim" is what made me want to suggest being careful with our thoughts and feelings regarding them. I know how their psychological damage can have toxic effects on our minds, bodies and emotions and so I was just recommending to walk cautiously is all:

Excerpt from Working with Monsters by John Clarke
"Panic attacks, depression, disturbed sleep and nightmares, relationship problems, confusion, disbelief, guilt, lack of trust, anger, powerlessness, flashbacks, shame, embarrassment and sexual dysfunction were only some of the symptoms reported by different victims," (Clarke, 17).
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Well, I hope I was able to clarify my remarks for you, but please let me know if I wasn't able to or if my thoughts are off-base. :)
 
Re: Need Help Finding an Article re: 'Framing' (Scarlet)


"I mentioned the phrase "witch hunt" as a response to your remark that I quoted above, because I perceived you were perhaps likening psychopaths to land mines and suggesting that removing them from where they could cause harm to others would remove the problem."

I guess I didn't intend it to be taken so literally, more or less just a general comparison off the top of me head, which doesn't always work out.

After my first response, I had a minute to reflect on 'witch hunt', and it can refer to someone being 'obsessed with the task, and I wanted to make sure you didn't think that. Although there may actually be some truth in it. I have a really hard time comprehending the fact that the cops give them more credibility than my wife and I. I have to 'knock' myself out at night, in order to sleep, as my mind tends to end up somewhere that I don't want it. I can't even meditate anymore.

"I think your quote above about wanting to "remove the problem, not the victim" is what made me want to suggest being careful with our thoughts and feelings regarding them. I know how their psychological damage can have toxic effects on our minds, bodies and emotions and so I was just recommending to walk cautiously is all:"

I took it as being careful what you think, as thoughts become things. So we were on the same page.

Thanks for your time, AND thanks for the John Clarke piece, he hit the head on the nail, or something like that.

Best,

Chang

P.S. I noticed you had been in the music section, looking for music for psychopaths'. I hope you aren't on a witch hunt! (Ha Ha!!!)
 
Re: Need Help Finding an Article re: 'Framing' (Scarlet)

Hi Chang,
Basically I am on the hunt for knowledge in an effort of minimizing the amount and intensity of suffering victims must endure due to lack of knowledge on the subject. We all suffer enough without the knowledge, but with it, I think the suffering can be minimized and possibly prevented.

In response to the "Songs for Psychopaths" music thread, it was created in an effort for me to cope emotionally with the knowledge I had gained and that first song was dedicated to the first of the few seemingly conscience-free men I've become involved with in my life. My first kiss was with a cold-hearted snake, lol...so it goes!

Chang said:
I have a really hard time comprehending the fact that the cops give them more credibility than my wife and I. I have to 'knock' myself out at night, in order to sleep, as my mind tends to end up somewhere that I don't want it. I can't even meditate anymore.
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Have you been documenting every incident? Have you gone to the station and requested to speak with a forensic psychologist who is knowledgeable about psychopathy? Well, I hope you can get some sleep. I take melatonin (http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,314.0.html) these days and it really helps me to sleep and forget any nightmares...As for meditating, have you tried the EE breathing program (http://eiriu-eolas.org/online-version/)? :)
 
Scarlet,

Well, I have to commend you on your search for knowledge. I guess thats what I'm doing, in my own 'meandering' way. I'll have to go back and listen to the first song, although I don't remember what it was.

"Have you been documenting every incident?"

My documenting skills are quite poor, but I have bits and pieces. I've even recorded some of the conversations with the cops. Strange, but I just finished reading a post here re: someone suggesting psycho's and cops were on the same wavelength. As bass akwards as that sounds, it actually makes more sense than it should. I was reminded of a conversation with a cop, I had just had the drivers side window of my vehicle smacked by the 'monster' next door. I complained to a cop about it, and get this, he started raising his voice and giving me an attitude because I was complaining about it. I've been tempted to have a camcorder running, while I smacked a cop car in the same manner that happened to me, but I know what the end result would be, even though I have a recording of a cop telling me its NOT against the law. Butt-holes! LOL

"Have you gone to the station and requested to speak with a forensic psychologist who is knowledgeable about psychopathy?"

Interesting thought, but no, I haven't. I would be surprised if there were any college people in the police force. But now that you mention it, I think I will make a call. The thing is, most of the calls I make, NEVER get returned! I call with serious concerns, and they treat me like I was a homeless person sitting on the curb with a bottle of Wild Irish Rose. Its really depressing to think about. I think the one saving grace I have, is about thirty years ago, I was doing some recording with some older folks, and I was introduced to one of their classmates (Roger Katz) who happened to be a lawyer. After being in court, and finding myself stymied because the psycho was lieing, I realized I needed help. Roger gets them squirming in their seats and stuttering, its really a beautiful thing! When I first used him against the neighbors, he was the Mayor of Augusta (the capitol of Maine) so he had a lot of cache. Now he's a Senator, so he has even more clout. As I mentioned earlier, I'm planning on suing the cops as soon as finances allow.

As far as the sleep thing, I take 200 MG of Amitriptyline, and three Benedryl. I've tried Ambian (that stuff is dangerous) and a few others, but if I don't get knocked out, my mind always ends up somewhere around the subject that I've been accused of things I didn't do, and the neighbors get away with everything, including murder. I was seeing the psychologist because of that and a few other issues, I just wanted to make sure I was normal, or at least somewhere in that area. Surprisingly, he said I was.

Thanks so much for the great suggestions, and for your time, I guess I'm pretty long winded. And I call first dibs on this phrase THE MONSTER NEXT DOOR. It would be a great sequel to THE PSYCHOPATH NEXT DOOR. Or at least I think so.

Oh, while I was typing this, I was trying to think of a song that fit your category, unfortunately I pretty much never listen to lyrics. But there is one interesting song, on Jimi Hendrix's album AXIS: BOLD AS LOVE. Its titled UP FROM THE SKYS.
If you get a chance, I'd love to hear your take on the lyrics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Av-vf9ZEjE

Warm Regards,

Chang
 
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