need help - nerve pain - neck

Gonzo

Gonzo

The Living Force
Hi all.

Fist off, I apologize for the length. I cut out as much as I could but felt so much information was required to give as complete a picture as necessary.

I'm in dire straights and just had one of those dark nights of the soul due to pain.

A couple of months ago, my neck started hurting and I started experiencing intermittent referred pain down my arms. It caused spasms around the lower neck and shoulder blades and was approaching making me sick to my stomach.

After a couple visits with a chiropractor for acupuncture, muscle release and neck manipulation, it subsided.

Three weeks ago, however, it came back with a vengeance, worsening each week. The best relief I would get from treatments would only last a day.

The last two days have been hell. I couldn't turn my neck without pain. Since I can no longer drive safely (can't shoulder check and arms are weakening) I get my wife to shuttle me around. If we hit a bump on the road, the pain in my neck would almost make me pass out.

Last night was so bad that I could not lay down without excruciating pain in the back and sides of my neck if I moved it at all. No matter what pillow is used (including an ergonomic one from ObusForme).

I even rolled up a towel to make a form of neck brace, but it didn't help much.

The nerve pain down both arms sometimes goes away with position change, other times not. I have numbness in my thumb that alternates to my outside two fingers.

A recent MRI indicated bulging discs at C5-6 and C6-7.

Eighteen years ago I herniated a disc in my lower back (L4-5) requiring surgery and have recently herniated L5-S-1.
Something is certainly going on.

But the neck pain is unbelievable and I really need to do something about it.

Since I recently increased my magnesium to 650 mg/day (spread out), and have been on the elimination diet for 2.5 months, could this just be detox or fungal die off?

I was taking MSM for a while but recently ran out and haven't had the opportunity to replace it yet, in case that could somehow be related.

I'm actually quite scared ((terrified, actually) as I want to avoid surgery at all costs. My back surgery 18 years ago didn't go so well and necks are much more tricky it seems.

I'm also getting depressed after experiencing my fibromyalgia and rheumatoid arthritis almost completely disappear since the diet. In fact, things were going so good, I didn't want to try to introduce foods to test them and mess up a good thing.

I am under a lot of stress at work and my wife had a complete breakdown after losing her job due to a lying predator and now suffers anxiety and depression with agoraphobic tendencies.

She is receiving treatment from both a psychiatrist and counselor, but she could be a year from recovery. It triggered PTSD from a friend's brutal murder and her kidnapping in South Africa 20 some odd years ago, so her condition is quite complex.

It is hard to see her suffer do much and, although I support her as much as I can, the gratitude for which she constantly expresses, I feel completely helpless. Definitely fuel for the Work.

I am doing the EE program but it is currently limited to the pipe breathing.

Any suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Gonzo
 
Hi Gonzo,

unfortunately I can't help you with medical advice, but I sent you and your wife a big warm hug and lot of supportive thoughts. What you both experience is not easy at all. Please hang in there. Hope I could of more help.
 
Howdy Gonzo,

What you said damn near made me cry. Sad certainly. I can offer no answers except friendship and discussion. What I try to accept, but haven't yet, is that the stuff between the vertebrae / joints have and still are disintegrating, kinda wasting away. Would be nice if flesh could be regenerated... Wish I know about the nutritional schtuff THIRTY(30) YEARS AGO.!.!.! But anyway. In prior posts I like to mention getting my hands and that TDARM machine...
And there is that thread about OPOIDS... Geeze Gawd whatchya gonna do. I live three good weeks and one of withdrawl and pain every month. For the last couple years... I dunno how but I gotta work for my retirement plan in action with 4 years to go... Anyway I can. But then again we have all this stuff here on the Work and watching what is happening outside...
Forgive my rambling. I just hand to reach out to ya Gonzo.

edit: Should be more specific in referring to the " opiate withdrawal" thread.
 
I found I had a bulging disc in that area of my neck, it sent pain down the back of my right arm, and numbed my middle, ring and little finger. What tipped me off was reading about the pain -behind- my right shoulderblade, something called "Burner's syndrome", that incited me to get the MRI done. Short of surgery, there was nothing that could be done about it. The only relief from pain that I found was to apply one of those buckwheat husk pillows that you can heat up in the microwave to my neck. Gradually, over a LONG period of time, the pain lessened. It's not gone completely, and I still have some numbness in the tips of those three fingers, but it's greatly reduced over time. I no longer sit and rock on the couch, forcing myself to remain seated because the urge to get up and run away from the pain is so great.
 
Gonzo said:
Hi all.

Fist off, I apologize for the length. I cut out as much as I could but felt so much information was required to give as complete a picture as necessary.

I'm in dire straights and just had one of those dark nights of the soul due to pain.

A couple of months ago, my neck started hurting and I started experiencing intermittent referred pain down my arms. It caused spasms around the lower neck and shoulder blades and was approaching making me sick to my stomach.

.....

Any suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
Gonzo
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Hi Gonzo,

I have had a similar prob with my lower back, pains shooting down the legs and just sick with pain in any position. My most recent bout (month ago) occurred due to moving rocks, and the next morning I had the same again. I remembered a Dr (Jacobson?) video on DMSO for nerve protection if applied soon after the injury. So I downed about 2 tspns. The result was a condition much better than in the past - so I continued with 1-2 tspns every other morn. It definitely helped with the pain and recovery was much quicker (I also took enzymes for inflammation but these did little for me in the past). Two days ago I began doing some heavy lifting and noticed pain shooting back down my left leg from the lower back. I downed another 2 tspns and the pain left quickly. The DMSO seemed to work for me. I was reluctant to take much more or extend the consumption beyond a week or two since I have not seen any data regarding max oral doses. Anyway, it seemed to work for me when everything else didn't.

I feel for you - as I know that continuous pain well - and am hoping the best for you. Hope this can help.

LQB
 
I'm really sorry to hear about your pain, Gonzo.

When it comes to pain anywhere along the spine, I can certainly empathise because I too had years of paralysing pain.

I also agree that the USD has helped me to get rid of all that pain.

One thing that has helped me tremendously is the DMSO taken orally and applied topically (if you don't have a problem smelling like steamed asparagus for a couple of days).

At one stage I was taking a teaspoon of DMSO with 1/2 glass of water in the morning for a week and applied it undiluted topically to the inflamed area every evening and morning. It certainly worked for me. (I was diagnosed with Ankylosing Spondylitis in its early stages, but there is no trace of it for several months now. ;))

I'm still on the diet and rarely eat nightshade foods out of concern that I may trigger the inflamations again. I figured if it ain't broke don't fix it :).

You also mentioned that it may have been triggered by some stress. I don't have time to look for it now but I think it was Trevrizent that often has great quotes about the causes of pain and inflamation in different parts of the body. I think the neck has to do with 'refusing to see what's back there; inflexibility; refusing to see other sides of aquestion'.

I guess just because things don't take a turn in a direction we approve of, it doesn't mean they are wrong. Maybe it is us who are refusing to let go and let the DCM lead us with it's infinite wisdom.

Perhaps some of this was usefull, or not, but take care and I hope you find relief soon.
 
Hi Gonzo,

I am very sorry about your neck. Back pain can be a terrible ordeal. Even if there's disk involvement however, it can still in many cases heal without surgery. Perhaps an osteopath or an orthopedic surgeon can prescribe steroid injections followed by physical therapy such as spinal traction. You are doing so well with the diet, it also will surely help.

Hope things improve soon!

:flowers: :flowers:
 
Hi Gonzo,

I am sorry to hear about your neck pain. :cry: I have no answers either but hang in there. I'm sure our resident MD will offer some advice as soon as she gets a chance.
 
Thanks all for the compassionate responses. We have such a wonderful, caring group it makes my heart swell and brings tears to my eyes.

I have an appointment with the pain clinic in one week. Last month we discussed the possibility of nerve blocks. I was hesitant because there is often a loss of sensation as well. But after last night, I'd inject buckwheat pancake batter into the joints if I thought it would help. . So, there's that option.

As well, as Hildegarda mentioned, there's steroid injections, which I'd rather avoid until there's no other choices, but which has helped many through inflammation.

DMSO, as suggested, is best for fresh injuries but I do wonder if there is some benefit in chronic injuries. Thanks for the reminder. I will try to find more info.

I know that there are many with herniated or just bulging discs who never experience pain or mobility impairment. I can't remember the percentage, but I recall studies of cadavers and their medical history that showed herniated discs do not have to equate pain or discomfort.

Therefore, it makes me wonder why some would experience the nerve pain and others not.

In some chronic pain conditions, the nervous system becomes oversensitized, so perhaps this is a clue.

When I had my lower back surgery oh-so long ago, I was on a long waiting list. By the time I had finally gotten called in, I had figured out how to move, put weight on my leg without having the muscles give way, keep the overall pain to a tolerable level, etc., but I was hopeful the surgery was going to take the pain away. It didn't.

I really don't want a surgical solution but I would have agreed to anything last night.

My partner bought me a fitted neck brace this morning that helps with the pain from moving my neck. As well, it has a chin support so, if the neck muscles get tired, I can put the weight of my chin on the ledge and rest the muscles for a bit. This is no solution but it is helpful, provided I don't overuse it and suffer from atrophy in my neck muscles.

I've worked up a little appetite so, I'm going to throw a teff waffle into the toaster and top them with some berries and seeds and try to enjoy how the neck brace allows me to eat without having the chewing and swallowing irritate the nerves.


Once again I appreciate so much everyone's suggestions. I am honoured to be a part of this forum.

Gonzo
 
Hi Gonzo,

Like you, my neck give me regularly a lot of pain. If you have disc damage I will check the Cayce readings to see what he say about a such condition.
For the immediate pain release I suggest "Biofreeze". It's an applicator with a big ball.
For an intermediate time treatment I suggest acupuncture as you have already done. Can be very efficient to release nerve pain but the problem is the skill of the acupuncturist for this particular domain.

Here is a the part of a reading for acute nerve pain :

2805-1
To bring ease to the body, when there are the acute spells - which come from the pressures (the atmospheric pressure has much to do with the body - when there is a great deal of dampness it causes acute pain - if there's too dry or too hot, this may cause the pain - just the opposite, you see), - when there is the acute pain, use - under the direction of a physician - the compound in the tincture made into a drug from the poppy, combined with that which is very penetrating; that is:
Obtain a physician's prescription for this compound to be used only externally, - three parts Tincture of Laudanum and one part Aconite. Half an ounce, or an ounce, will be more than sufficient. This would be painted on, and then apply wet heat - as from a towel wrung out of hot water - which will cause these properties to be driven in. Use this wherever the pain is, you see, because this changes. The pain is usually in the nerve tension along the thigh or limb, but at other periods it will be close to the spine, and in the lower portion of the back. Apply this compound to relieve the acute pain.
Of course, take the sedatives when necessary, but keep away from them as much as practical. Continue with the morphia product being used, you see, when necessary, but keep as far away from this as possible.
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As often with Cayce readings, the problem is to obtain the remedy.
 
I'll say it again: DMSO and taping. Both are discussed extensively on the forum here.
 
Hi Gonzo,

sorry to hear about your pain. I don't know if this applies to your case, but I thought I'd mention it. As I wrote in another thread, I always get very intense (almost unbearable) neck pain (always on the right side, for some reason) if I'm constipated. It always starts as a slight throbbing, and intensifies into a incredible pain that reaches all the way to the right eye. So, nowdays, when this starts I immediately do a coffee enema(unfortunately this is not always possible), and like magic, the pain disappears! This phenomena has become more frequent since I started the diet ca a year ago, and now it happens almost weekly. I guess that this could be due to the fact that my body is in a intense detoxing process, and when the 'stuff' gets caught in the colon the poisons get absorbed back into the system. I could be wrong, but in any case the coffee enema helps me.



Hope you find some relief, having neck pain is extremely unpleasant!
 
Message received loud and clear, Laura. Thanks.

I recalled mention of the taping in the frozen shoulder thread but searched and found reference in one of the EE Breathing threads as well.

I will assume that since you are recommending DMSO for an older injury that my question about whether it is beneficial for older or chronic injuries is answered.

I will delve back in the DMSO thread and learn more about usage, dosage, etc.

Now I will have to find someone skilled in the taping since there are a few areas that will most likely need the support.

My physiotherapist doesn't seem as up on it. So, I will be going to the sports medicine clinic.

First though, I will read more and see what I can do at home, since I need relief sooner than later.

Thanks,
Gonzo
 
Here's the manual: http://laura-knight-jadczyk.com/Taping.djvu

If you can just get some slightly stretchy tape from the pharmacy and get a friend to apply it according to the images/instructions, even if it isn't perfect, it will help.

I would put the DMSO on first, let that set in for about half an hour, then wash the skin so the tape will adhere, then tape. Leave the tape on as long as possible - a few days - and then see how it does.

Pages 14, 51, 53, 54, 55, 56, 59 ... all look promising. You can even do a couple of patterns, one over the other, just to make sure you incorporate the system that is best for your problem. When I tape my shoulder, I generally use several including those for the neck. You might want to include one for the shoulder too, just to be thorough.

See the following posts:
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=12837.msg112917#msg112917
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=17544.msg157927#msg157927


When you take the tape off, use the DMSO again. Alternate.

I think I've said in a couple of places that no home should be without a supply of DMSO and tape on hand for emergencies! You may need to use a dictionary or google to know what some of the words in the manual mean so you can start the tape in the right spot and finish in the right spot, know whether it goes up, or down when you apply it, but it's pretty explanatory in just the pictures. Just make sure it is stretchy, cloth tape, though you don't usually put much stretch on it while applying.
 
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