need help - nerve pain - neck
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Gonzo,
I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think that the topical DMSO should be the only thing you do with it for now as you are, to my understanding, on some much needed meds. IF this is so, taking DMSO orally make take those meds right out of your system. Which would cause quite the withdrawal symptoms. So if you do decide to go with the DMSO and tape, which I would do if I were in your shoes, I would caution taking the DMSO orally.
I nearly cried when I read of your NEW pain. Geeze, it just never stops, does it? Do you know what you did to herniate these two discs?
I really, really recommend you follow Laura's instructions. Good luck to you, Gonzo!
I'm not 100% sure about this, but I think that the topical DMSO should be the only thing you do with it for now as you are, to my understanding, on some much needed meds. IF this is so, taking DMSO orally make take those meds right out of your system. Which would cause quite the withdrawal symptoms. So if you do decide to go with the DMSO and tape, which I would do if I were in your shoes, I would caution taking the DMSO orally.
I nearly cried when I read of your NEW pain. Geeze, it just never stops, does it? Do you know what you did to herniate these two discs?
I really, really recommend you follow Laura's instructions. Good luck to you, Gonzo!
H
Hildegarda
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WhiteBear said:
thanks for this! I could never figure out how to work those djvu files
Gonzo
The Living Force
Thanks, Nienna Eluch.
I am planning to follow Laura's recommendation. I still have to source DMSO from a nutrition store but am seeing my physio tomorrow morning. If they aren't familiar with the Athletic/Medical Taping method, I will them go to the sports medicine clinic.
Until then, I am icing my neck like mad. Brrrrr.
Yes, when it rains, it pours. I am quite impressed with my partner's strength and she, mine. So, if we keep each other distracted by wowing each other, maybe we will barely notice how crappy life can get ;)
Oh, and thanks for the tip to use DMSO externally in my case. You may have saved me from another rain storm in my life.
Gonzo
I am planning to follow Laura's recommendation. I still have to source DMSO from a nutrition store but am seeing my physio tomorrow morning. If they aren't familiar with the Athletic/Medical Taping method, I will them go to the sports medicine clinic.
Until then, I am icing my neck like mad. Brrrrr.
Yes, when it rains, it pours. I am quite impressed with my partner's strength and she, mine. So, if we keep each other distracted by wowing each other, maybe we will barely notice how crappy life can get ;)
Oh, and thanks for the tip to use DMSO externally in my case. You may have saved me from another rain storm in my life.
Gonzo
Hi Gonzo,
I am so sorry about the pain you're experiencing; I've had back pain before, but hernias and neck pain? Dear God!
I don't have any treatment advice for you, but in case you may have forgotten, try to get DMSO in a glass bottle, or at least store it in glass, as I think it will bind with the plastic molecules after a while.
Hope you're pain disappears! Best of luck.
I am so sorry about the pain you're experiencing; I've had back pain before, but hernias and neck pain? Dear God!
I don't have any treatment advice for you, but in case you may have forgotten, try to get DMSO in a glass bottle, or at least store it in glass, as I think it will bind with the plastic molecules after a while.
Hope you're pain disappears! Best of luck.
Hi Gonzo,
I'm very sorry to hear about your pain. I had my nerve pinched too which led to sort of frozen shoulder and hurting arm that lasted for a few months. My case wasn't so severe as yours and a long-term physiotherapy was enough for me to recover. I wish we knew about DMSO and taping then! Anyway, as for icing I was told to use ice not longer than for 20 minutes at a time, then a break of at least another 20 minutes is needed before you can put ice on your neck or shoulder again. Two physiotherapists told me exactly the same on two occasions, so I thought I'd mention it as it could be worth considering.
Hope you'll find some relief soon.
I'm very sorry to hear about your pain. I had my nerve pinched too which led to sort of frozen shoulder and hurting arm that lasted for a few months. My case wasn't so severe as yours and a long-term physiotherapy was enough for me to recover. I wish we knew about DMSO and taping then! Anyway, as for icing I was told to use ice not longer than for 20 minutes at a time, then a break of at least another 20 minutes is needed before you can put ice on your neck or shoulder again. Two physiotherapists told me exactly the same on two occasions, so I thought I'd mention it as it could be worth considering.
Hope you'll find some relief soon.
Gonzo
The Living Force
I am so moved by everyone's suggestions, compassion and comments. They have all been most helpful and have helped lift my spirit.
I give thanks to the source of all that is for my 2nd family, this network. I am bursting with love and gratitude for all of you.
It's one thing to theorize and sense our interconnectedness, and it's one thing for me to give to others, but to receive so much from so many, I know I am seeing and feeling evidence of such connections.
We are truly blessed.
Gonzo
I give thanks to the source of all that is for my 2nd family, this network. I am bursting with love and gratitude for all of you.
It's one thing to theorize and sense our interconnectedness, and it's one thing for me to give to others, but to receive so much from so many, I know I am seeing and feeling evidence of such connections.
We are truly blessed.
Gonzo
the_hammer
Jedi
Dear Gonzo.
I too am very sorry to hear about your pain.
You mentioned that you suffer from spasms. Don't know if you've allready tried this position, but it sometimes offer a bit of relief from spasms and pain in tetraplegics.
To reduce spasms in the arms and neck area: Lie on the back on a bed and put your arms out so you are in a "T" position with your thums pointing in the same direction as your head (if your arms can go this high or else just as high they can go). If the bed isn't wide enough put some boards under the matress and put some pillows on top of the bords, so they are at the same height as the matress. Put a sandbag or something similar weighing 2-4 lbs on your wrists and lie like this for 20 - 30 minuites.
To reduce pain ask your partner to move your shoulders downwards gently and slightly outwards when lying on the back and when lying on the side, ask her to move the shoulder which is facing upwards down towards the end of the bed also gently and let it rest on a thick pillow behind you.
Hope it makes sense what I've written and that it does offer you some relief.
Get well!
I too am very sorry to hear about your pain.
You mentioned that you suffer from spasms. Don't know if you've allready tried this position, but it sometimes offer a bit of relief from spasms and pain in tetraplegics.
To reduce spasms in the arms and neck area: Lie on the back on a bed and put your arms out so you are in a "T" position with your thums pointing in the same direction as your head (if your arms can go this high or else just as high they can go). If the bed isn't wide enough put some boards under the matress and put some pillows on top of the bords, so they are at the same height as the matress. Put a sandbag or something similar weighing 2-4 lbs on your wrists and lie like this for 20 - 30 minuites.
To reduce pain ask your partner to move your shoulders downwards gently and slightly outwards when lying on the back and when lying on the side, ask her to move the shoulder which is facing upwards down towards the end of the bed also gently and let it rest on a thick pillow behind you.
Hope it makes sense what I've written and that it does offer you some relief.
Get well!
SolarMother
Dagobah Resident
Hello Gonzo,
I am feeling for you today...have you been able to have a really good cry (or a few?) I am glad that you and your partner are in wonder of eachother's strength..my thoughts are with you to feel better soon. HUGS ;)
I am feeling for you today...have you been able to have a really good cry (or a few?) I am glad that you and your partner are in wonder of eachother's strength..my thoughts are with you to feel better soon. HUGS ;)
Stevie Argyl
Jedi Master
Hi Gonzo
Any better after your physio visit?
Any better after your physio visit?
Gonzo
The Living Force
Hi Ellipse,
Thanks for asking.
The pain and spasms started to subside Thursday night. For the first time in four night I could actually put my head down. Before that, any position other than vertical was excruciating but being vertical too long really irritated my back, so I had little sleep.
When I awoke Friday morning, the pain had receded considerably, as did the spasms. However, the area of spasms did spread lower and wider.
That morning I had an appointment with my physiologist for a session of acupuncture, which was much more painful than usual in some spots. I did my pipe breathing throughout, but couldn't take full breaths as the chest expansion would irritate the needles.
At the session I discussed DMSO, Kinesio (medical/athletic) taping and massage therapy.
At this clinic, they are only aware of DMSO being used in chelation therapy, which they do there, but were extremely interested in knowing more, especially the chiropractor, who really got excited to hear about topical applications. However, in Canada, DMSO for human use is only available by prescription or purchased by a physician and can only be used for specific purposes (on label use). More on this shortly.
My guy was concerned massage might trigger a negative response. He knows my body quite well, by now, and often any time we approach a new therapy, it triggers unpredictable responses, usually involving increased pain and loss of some mobility. We had to abandon the gentle spinal manipulations for this reason as he could not guarantee it was helping and not exacerbating the multi-layer problems I have.
He also didn't think that taping would be beneficial, but I noticed he seems to only look at taping from a performance athlete perspective and is unaware of its broader use. Having said that, he does respect my wished and will do whatever I ask, provided it isn't harmful.
We agreed to start with a one-hour massage session on Monday followed by acupuncture and then see how I respond before we decide on the next step.
However, since I seem to be more aware of the broader use of kinesio taping than he, I think I will try to get in to the sports injury clinic and see what they can do. I don't trust my limited knowledge of anatomy and the circulatory and nervous systems to appropriately discern what muscle groups require support, which ones would benefit from increased blood flow and which ones should be left alone, to try to decide the taping regime.
After the acupuncture session, I had a lot of interesting sensations in several areas throughout my body, that I can only express as coming alive or being energized. This has happened a few times before, but always catches my attention.
The spasms receded a little more and the range of motion in my neck increased to approx. 80 percent.
Throughout the day at the office I could feel the spasms but they never got worse.
Since my neck was so screwed up, I could only read for short periods of time and couldn't go through all the DMSO info.
I am trying to find a legal way of getting it. It is considered illegal to use a regulated drug, for off label use without a physician's approval (I think he/she would still need to seek government approval as well) and I believe using regulated/restricted veterinary medicine for human use also illegal, however I will verify this.
It is definitely illegal to sell restricted veterinary drug for human use.
So, I have to figure some more out re: DMSO. If there are any Canucks reading this who have already solved the problem, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I will complete my research, both for info in the forum and beyond, but I would like to work toward a solution as soon as possible and know it will take me a while to read through everything at the rate I am currently going.
With respect to regulations in Canada and DMSO:
The federal government recently completed public consultations on a draft amendment to the Food and Drugs regulations of the Food and Drugs Act. In the draft they were proposing the delisting of four drugs including DMSO, if I read the proposal correctly.
What this would mean is that one would no longer require a prescription to acquire or use the medications. They felt that the risk of misuse and harm could be mitigated by label and information contained within the package and did not warrant such tight regulatory oversight.
Next step would be to amend the proposal based on comments received through the consultation and then publish the proposal as a regulatory amendment in Canada Gazette I (the is called pre-publication), which triggers another consultation. After final consultation, comments are considered and the amendment is adjusted if warranted and published in Canada Gazette II.
This is standard operating procedure for regulatory change.
Although we naturally benefit from this, I do have to wonder what nefarious purpose might be behind such a move. Call me paranoid but even though I work for these guys, I don't always trust them.
Thanks again,
Gonzo
Thanks for asking.
The pain and spasms started to subside Thursday night. For the first time in four night I could actually put my head down. Before that, any position other than vertical was excruciating but being vertical too long really irritated my back, so I had little sleep.
When I awoke Friday morning, the pain had receded considerably, as did the spasms. However, the area of spasms did spread lower and wider.
That morning I had an appointment with my physiologist for a session of acupuncture, which was much more painful than usual in some spots. I did my pipe breathing throughout, but couldn't take full breaths as the chest expansion would irritate the needles.
At the session I discussed DMSO, Kinesio (medical/athletic) taping and massage therapy.
At this clinic, they are only aware of DMSO being used in chelation therapy, which they do there, but were extremely interested in knowing more, especially the chiropractor, who really got excited to hear about topical applications. However, in Canada, DMSO for human use is only available by prescription or purchased by a physician and can only be used for specific purposes (on label use). More on this shortly.
My guy was concerned massage might trigger a negative response. He knows my body quite well, by now, and often any time we approach a new therapy, it triggers unpredictable responses, usually involving increased pain and loss of some mobility. We had to abandon the gentle spinal manipulations for this reason as he could not guarantee it was helping and not exacerbating the multi-layer problems I have.
He also didn't think that taping would be beneficial, but I noticed he seems to only look at taping from a performance athlete perspective and is unaware of its broader use. Having said that, he does respect my wished and will do whatever I ask, provided it isn't harmful.
We agreed to start with a one-hour massage session on Monday followed by acupuncture and then see how I respond before we decide on the next step.
However, since I seem to be more aware of the broader use of kinesio taping than he, I think I will try to get in to the sports injury clinic and see what they can do. I don't trust my limited knowledge of anatomy and the circulatory and nervous systems to appropriately discern what muscle groups require support, which ones would benefit from increased blood flow and which ones should be left alone, to try to decide the taping regime.
After the acupuncture session, I had a lot of interesting sensations in several areas throughout my body, that I can only express as coming alive or being energized. This has happened a few times before, but always catches my attention.
The spasms receded a little more and the range of motion in my neck increased to approx. 80 percent.
Throughout the day at the office I could feel the spasms but they never got worse.
Since my neck was so screwed up, I could only read for short periods of time and couldn't go through all the DMSO info.
I am trying to find a legal way of getting it. It is considered illegal to use a regulated drug, for off label use without a physician's approval (I think he/she would still need to seek government approval as well) and I believe using regulated/restricted veterinary medicine for human use also illegal, however I will verify this.
It is definitely illegal to sell restricted veterinary drug for human use.
So, I have to figure some more out re: DMSO. If there are any Canucks reading this who have already solved the problem, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I will complete my research, both for info in the forum and beyond, but I would like to work toward a solution as soon as possible and know it will take me a while to read through everything at the rate I am currently going.
With respect to regulations in Canada and DMSO:
The federal government recently completed public consultations on a draft amendment to the Food and Drugs regulations of the Food and Drugs Act. In the draft they were proposing the delisting of four drugs including DMSO, if I read the proposal correctly.
What this would mean is that one would no longer require a prescription to acquire or use the medications. They felt that the risk of misuse and harm could be mitigated by label and information contained within the package and did not warrant such tight regulatory oversight.
Next step would be to amend the proposal based on comments received through the consultation and then publish the proposal as a regulatory amendment in Canada Gazette I (the is called pre-publication), which triggers another consultation. After final consultation, comments are considered and the amendment is adjusted if warranted and published in Canada Gazette II.
This is standard operating procedure for regulatory change.
Although we naturally benefit from this, I do have to wonder what nefarious purpose might be behind such a move. Call me paranoid but even though I work for these guys, I don't always trust them.
Thanks again,
Gonzo
