Needing time off

Hey dannybananny.

As many members have already stated here, I will also say it: yep, you made a mistake and did something you shouldn't have done. And kudos to you for being honest about it and realizing what you did was inappropriate. Being honest with oneself is IMHO a starting point for personal development and soul growth. As Shakespeare wrote in Hamlet- This above all: to thine own self be true. And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man.

I suggest you take this lesson as an opportunity to grow more in your understanding of yourself, the social affairs and all the dynamics that go with it (this applies to me as well, I still have so much to learn on numerous subjects, so don't take my suggestion like it's coming from some wannabe standpoint of authority, but rather, as I would more prefer it- as a friendly advice).

I have had a somewhat similar situation to yours when me & my friend were training parkour on an empty basketball playground, it was early in the evening, was already dark and getting darker (after the sunset). We were doing pull-ups, stretching exercises, jumping and so on and so forth when we noticed three drunk guys with a small dog beside them heading our way. When they were approaching us, they were trying to incite the aggression in dog by saying to him in angry tone "get'em, go get'em", I guess in order to make the dog start biting us or barking or whatever. I was starting to feel disturbed, but didn't allow myself to be overwhelmed with this emotion. However, I did FELT that I was disturbed. My friend (also a member of this forum :)) was serene and he managed to calm the puppy down with his calm assertive energy (I've learned of this phrase from Cesar Millan :D).
When they approached the leader of the "gang" (I think he was the most drunk of them all, his breath was so smelly and emanated with alcohol) came face to face with my friend (I remember thinking to myself in that moment: "uh-oh I have a feeling this will end up in a fight"), looking him right in the eye and said: "What are you two doing here, all jumping and doing those 'tricks' and so on? Can you climb to this basket column, jump down and perform some acrobatics?" Of course we were not about to entertain these guys with our "moves", we are not training to "amuse the audience" but to improve ourselves and to slowly but surely enhance our abilities. The other two were just standing aside (I guess they were waiting for our reactions on their leader questioning us so they could act "accordingly".) My friend kept his cool and responded calmly to him that we are exercising for the sake of staying vital and fit, and he wasn't affected at all with the guy's aggressive attitude. I was, on the other hand, upset but I've decided to keep my mouth shut and was waiting for my inner state to return to balance and harmony again before I jump into this discussion. I just stood there and watched the drunk guy and my friend having a "conversation". Then the guy began to "cool down" and dropped his aggressive stance, but he began bragging that he can perform sommersaults and flips over the wall and asked my friend if he wants to show it to him. (I'm grateful that he didn't do it, I was expecting to see a serious injury on him if he tried to act that foolishly in his drunk alcoholized state) My friend said that he can't yet do that and that it's cool that he (the drunk gang leader) can perform that- this statement immediately caused an "ego boost" in drunk leader's behavior and he started to brag even more how he can do this & that and the other. Soon, a girl appeared on the basketball court calling the leader to come to her (I guess she was his girlfriend) and she scolded him for his drunken state and soon the 3 of them left us alone and headed toward the girl. It was as if they forgot that we were there and having a "discussion" (my friend and the "gang leader") at all.
It was an interesting situation and I was surprised that this event didn't end up in a fistfight or something as I would sometimes find myself into when I was younger. I guess it's because my friend kept his cool head and he had some experience with how to deal with this type of situation. Interesting lesson for me indeed. As soon as the drunk guy's ego felt fed because my friend pretended he is less skillful than him, his aggressive stance ended and he was satisfied. Sometimes it is wise to "keep one's ego at bay" so that outcomes of certain situations turn out to be positive and harmless to both parties. Correction, it is ALWAYS wise to keep one's ego at bay.

Umm... regarding some members here mentioning the control of personality, emotions and actions. I think that control is the wrong choice of words. Control is an illusion. We cannot control thoughts, feelings and emotions and subsequently our actions, BUT we can guide them, direct them instead of them directing us and we can choose in which thoughts, emotions and actions we will participate and express externally.
I cannot control the flow of my thoughts and emotions but I can guide them and choose in which one I will participate according to a certain situation. Different approach to different situations. Here's a cool video clip from Kung Fu Panda about the illusion of control:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_6g4s9DkGc

I really hope that you will decide to stay and continue participating on this forum. Yes, you've made a mistake with knocking out this kid (hope he's not seriously injured) but what's important is that you have acknowledged your mistake. Learn something from it and move on to the next lesson.
But in the end, it's up to you. You decide...

In Lak'ech
 
Denis said:
Umm... regarding some members here mentioning the control of personality, emotions and actions. I think that control is the wrong choice of words. Control is an illusion. We cannot control thoughts, feelings and emotions and subsequently our actions, BUT we can guide them, direct them instead of them directing us and we can choose in which thoughts, emotions and actions we will participate and express externally.


That is controlling them, Denis. You appear to be splitting hairs.


d said:
I cannot control the flow of my thoughts and emotions but I can guide them and choose in which one I will participate according to a certain situation.
That is controlling the self, which is what most members are referring to.
 
Hey anart.

Control may also mean suppressing thoughts, feelings and emotions as well as directing or changing them. This is why I consider control to be an illusion (cos of this suppression thing). I rather use terms guidance and directing then controlling.

And suppression is not the same as choosing not to express some emotions externally. For example, thought suppression is the process of deliberately trying to stop thinking about certain thoughts, while guiding the thoughts and directing them is different from trying to abruptly and violently stop certain thoughts just because one doesn't like the "flavor" of those thoughts- this I understand as controlling the thoughts, feelings and emotions.

(apologies, not trying to derail this thread!)
 
Hello Denis,
Indeed you are talking about suppression, not about control. Maybe you don't understand the word the same way others do use it (semantics as usual) :)
 
mkrnhr said:
Hello Denis,
Indeed you are talking about suppression, not about control. Maybe you don't understand the word the same way others do use it (semantics as usual) :)

Hi mkrnhr. (how is your nickname pronounced?)

Umm, yeah. It seems that I took the word out of context (as I understand it the word control could also apply to thought suppression, again depending on the context in which the word is used- and no I'm not trying to prove my point lol, just explaining my perspective). :-[

I sincerely apologize for slightly derailing the thread with my comments.
 
Hi dannybananny. You've been given really good input. I agree that you made a mistake and you acknowledged it. We are all making mistakes all the time. That's how we learn most often, for better or worse. It would be "better" if we didn't need to make so many mistakes to learn our lessons, but that's just the way things work on our level/in our reality.

Take some time to try to calm down and reflect on how you would continue to benefit by continued participation in the forum, and how you can continue to contribute to the network and helping others learn from your experiences, as you have done in the past.

Also, what's your diet like? You may want to look into the "Life Without Bread" thread in the Diet and Health forum, if you haven't already done so. And do EE and pipe breathing to help you deal with stress. Diet and EE go a long way to help with being more stable and be able to continue to Work on ourselves.

Good luck with your struggles, danny, and we're here if you want to discuss anything further. :)
 
Hi dannybananny. I agree with all the replys so far and think this could be simply a valuable learning experience and might lead to the kind of self-control Denis's friend displayed if you use this to your advantage and don't just "give up". After all, probably all "masters" of anything made plenty of mistakes first and I wouldn't be surprised if one day you tell this story to a friend as "what I learned" and "why I am now the way I am".

[quote author=Denis]
It was an interesting situation and I was surprised that this event didn't end up in a fistfight or something as I would sometimes find myself into when I was younger. I guess it's because my friend kept his cool head and he had some experience with how to deal with this type of situation. Interesting lesson for me indeed. As soon as the drunk guy's ego felt fed because my friend pretended he is less skillful than him, his aggressive stance ended and he was satisfied. Sometimes it is wise to "keep one's ego at bay" so that outcomes of certain situations turn out to be positive and harmless to both parties. Correction, it is ALWAYS wise to keep one's ego at bay.[/quote]

I really enjoyed reading this story and appreciate that it's put down in words. I think Denis' friend demonstrated a good situational example of "personal mastery", OSIT. I have also experienced similar kinds of initial confrontations and can vouch for the fact that one of the hardest practices (and Laura has referred to it somewhere as waiting in the face of uncertainty) is to "wait it out or give it time" while interacting with someone in a tense situation and while the limbic system is wanting to take control.
 
Hey dannybananny, I agree with all the replies too, indeed, mistakes is what we need in order to learn; we can learn from others`mistakes or from our mistakes. From now on, you have choices to make, thanks to this mistake. For instance, you can extract the essence of the experience you had, observing backwards in time, what were your feelings, your thoughts in the moment the event happened, increasing the study about your personality, and that of others. As a researcher, researching the causes of your reaction, and how to deal with such situation in the future.

You can do EE, calm down, think carefully how you can not only benefit others through your participation in the forum but also yourself.
 
Hey Moderators,

Just a querey has dannybanany been logged on since posting this? Has he been able to read any of this?

It would be a damn shame if so as I think this support is just what he needs in this situation.

Regards,

Brent.
 
chaps23 said:
Hey Moderators,

Just a query has dannybanany been logged on since posting this? Has he been able to read any of this?

It would be a damn shame if so as I think this support is just what he needs in this situation.

No he hasn't, let's hope he gets back on his feet and does. Nevertheless it may be useful for someone else in the future who is facing the same situation, so all is not lost. This is the way these things sometimes work!
 
Ah damn.

He was such an active, supporting group memeber. If anyone has him on facebook you should link him to this page!

Poor Fella, he might be back. Time will tell, he might see his way back here soon.
 
Hi, just want to say thanks for your comments and support, I'm taking it back slowly, need some time to make some things right again, other way I'm lost, but I think I'll stick here again for some time. Having some blood problems lately, some mild anemia it seems so but have to wait for more detailed results. Cheers.
 
Good to hear your back mate, you can see alot of people here really do care to take the time to write for you.

Meaning this is a good place to be when your down on yourself.
 
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