New Atlantis documentary: The Atlantis puzzle

[SOTTREADER]

New documentary out on Amazon prime:

I'll cut to the chase:

1. This is the first documentary where I've heard Atlantis bring referred to as an empire as opposed to a city state
2. Based on Plato's writing, interesting evidence is put forth as to the location of the empire: spoiler alert, according to this, it cuts right across the western chunk of Africa. Screen shot below:

Essentially the bit in the black semi circle - that's my drawing btw.

Back then, the whole Sahara area would have been essentially a bit like the Amazon with lakes and rivers cutting in from the Mediterranean and draining out into the Atlantic. According to the documentary, there would have been a divide between that region and the rest of Africa, a good chunk of Europe of course would largely be covered in ice during the ice age but not necessarily the region adjacent to the Mediterranean etc.

Here's an interview with the film maker:

What I think doesn't add up: In my mind, the suggested location is as good as any especially if the environment was different back then, but what doesn't add up is the lack of archeological findings. Apart from the Richat which is disputed as to whether it's manmade or not, there really isn't nothing in that region to suggest it was the home of the most powerful civilization in the last 30,000 years.

In my mind though, if that was the location, then in the event of the final cataclysm, survivors would have gone east and some would have gone across the Atlantic to the Americas. Interesting that none went south, deeper into the African continent.


In any case, an interesting thought came to mind, in his last documentary, ancient Apocalypse season 2, Graham Hancock conjectured that the Amazon was essentially engineered by man. So it makes me wonder if the Sahara region came about due to some atlantean technology being destroyed in the cataclysm and messing around with the climate in that region . I'm essentially thinking this as if these guys had the power to create something like the Amazon it makes me think that on the other side of the coin, if something went wrong with their technology, you could get something like the Sahara.

Also, I know in the alternative/fringe space the pyramids are mostly thought to be related to power generation and / or for healing / health purposes, but could they also be related to climate modification too, at least regionally?

 

[irjO]

I think Pierre’s book can provide more insight on that information. The Younger Dryas was truly a huge global cataclysmic event! Imagine an electrical discharge from 2 planets, and one planet absorbing the water of the other one! That changes the weather of the recipient planet big time.

So i think the following timeline it’s what happened: The Cs said that the crystals were the big thing that destroyed Atlantis. They also confirmed in one of the sessions that crystal made part of the land and its people to disappear from this reality.

Hundreds of years after the event, the younger dryas happened! Which huge floods and weather changes.

Thousands of years after, Venus as a comet came close again and volcanism and huge earthquakes happened. Again more weather changes.

Now Atlantis being an empire, sure! Perhaps the big city with the concentric circles in the Atlantic, was only the capital or one of the biggest city, and everything else including places in Africa and America, were colonies.

 

[SOTTREADER]

I think Pierre’s book can provide more insight on that information. The Younger Dryas was truly a huge global cataclysmic event! Imagine an electrical discharge from 2 planets, and one planet absorbing the water of the other one! That changes the weather of the recipient planet big time.

So i think the following timeline it’s what happened: The Cs said that the crystals were the big thing that destroyed Atlantis. They also confirmed in one of the sessions that crystal made part of the land and its people to disappear from this reality.

Hundreds of years after the event, the younger dryas happened! Which huge floods and weather changes.

Thousands of years after, Venus as a comet came close again and volcanism and huge earthquakes happened. Again more weather changes.

Now Atlantis being an empire, sure! Perhaps the big city with the concentric circles in the Atlantic, was only the capital or one of the biggest city, and everything else including places in Africa and America, were colonies.

Thanks for the information @irjO

I could be misinformed but I think you may be referring to more than one cataclysm that visited Atlantis. My understanding of the theory of Younger Dryas is that it's the last major cataclysm we have experienced on this planet and this is the cataclysm that led to extinction of the megafauna plus dealt the final blow to Atlantis. My understanding is that the theory refers to the cataclysm being caused by cometary bombardments, causing ice sheets to be instantly vapourized and some mammoths to be flash frozen.

I think the Venus fly by of which there was more than one and the stealing of water from Mars isn't connected to the Younger Dryas but to earlier cataclysms that Atlantis experienced and survived. Venus settled into its orbit quite a long time ago, certainly much further back than the Younger Dryas which happened like 12000 years ago. Anyways this is just my understanding.

 

[irjO]

Your understanding is practically part of what happened, is just that the Younger Dryas was a huge event but wasn’t the only one. I can’t say if the crystals destroying Atlantis was a bigger event than the Younger Dryas, destructive wise. But what I mentioned is basically all the events combined (as we now it from the Cs and archeological records) that truly made a civilization and majority of its identity to disappear. It wasn’t an only event, after the younger dryas with the Atlantean survivors/descendants wanting to recreate the almost gone civilization, they had more cataclysmic events thousands of years after because of comets and specially Venus.

So it is very understandable that 1.- the planet was very different before compare to how it is today and 2.- we can’t find big cities from Atlantis but only some megalithic sites here and there. Even the pyramids, are something left by descendants of this ancient civilization, not that civilization itself.

Note: I believe this thread should be combined with the already ongoing Atlantis thread.

 

[axj]

Your understanding is practically part of what happened, is just that the Younger Dryas was a huge event but wasn’t the only one. I can’t say if the crystals destroying Atlantis was a bigger event than the Younger Dryas, destructive wise.

I think it is a good idea to keep in mind that we do not know almost anything for sure about Atlantean times. What the C's said about Atlantis should be treated as a hypothesis without turning it into a belief. The C's said themselves that at least the early sessions (where Atlantis was discussed the most) have an accuracy rate of something like 70%.

Other sources like psychics or clairvoyants (Cayce, Rudolf Steiner, etc.) also seem to have mispeceptions or distortions, mainly due to the filter of their belief systems. Remote viewers seem to have a similar problem in that the beliefs or subconscious expectations of the tasker seem to heavily influence what the remote viewers see.

 

[irjO]

I think it is a good idea to keep in mind that we do not know almost anything for sure about Atlantean times.

Agreed.

 

[Joe]

I find it curious that none of these people (that I know of) that try to figure out where Atlantis was ever seem to suggest it was a large empire (except for this most recent documentary). But still, none of them seem to know what such a global empire would likely look like in the context of it being a high tech civilization. That is despite them having the USA as a very good example of one such empire.

Basically, if you:

suspect that Atlantis was an empire

AND that it was high tech, and possibly higher tech than our world today

AND you understand that today America is an empire that literally spans the globe

AND you understand the truly humongous extent of previous cataclysms (i.e. they are GLOBAL in scope),

then, if you look at the name of the ocean to the West of Europe and Africa and to the East of N. and S America (hint, it's called the ATLANTIC) and look at the few islands in that ocean that are clearly the tops of mountain ranges (azores, madeira, canary islands), you can draw a very plausible conclusion that Atlantis was an high tech GLOBAL empire centered on a large landmass that is now thousands of meters below the Atlantic ocean, and that it spanned the global in terms of power and influence.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I find it curious that none of these people (that I know of) that try to figure out where Atlantis was ever seem to suggest it was a large empire (except for this most recent documentary). But still, none of them seem to know what a global empire would likely look like in the context of it being a high tech civilization. That is despite them having the USA as a very good example of one such empire.

Basically, if you:

suspect that Atlantis was an empire

AND that it was high tech, and possibly higher tech than our world today

AND you understand that today America is an empire that literally spans the globe

AND you understand the truly humongous extent of previous cataclysms (i.e. they are GLOBAL in scope),

then, if you look at the name of the ocean to the West of Europe and Africa and to the East of N. and S America (hint, it's called the ATLANTIC) and look at the few islands in that ocean that are clearly the tops of mountain ranges (azores, madeira, canary islands), you can draw a very plausible conclusion that Atlantis was an high tech GLOBAL empire centered on a large landmass that is now thousands of meters below the Atlantic ocean, and that it spanned the global in terms of power and influence.

Bingo! And exactly where Plato said it was.

Here's Randall Carlson making a case for the Azores:

Randall Carlson - Atlantis Mystery Series

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[Joe]

Atlantis was an high tech GLOBAL empire centered on a large landmass that is now thousands of meters below the Atlantic ocean, and that it spanned the global in terms of power and influence.

And I would add that many of the areas around the globe that were under the Atlantis Empire's control were also severely impacted in the cataclysms and had their land masses 'rearranged' to the point that the shape of our planet's landmasses under an Atlantean empire looked very different to the landmasses we see today. The result being that it's next to impossible to find any significant evidence of its existence. It may as well have been another planet.

 

[irjO]

I find it curious that none of these people (that I know of) that try to figure out where Atlantis was ever seem to suggest it was a large empire (except for this most recent documentary). But still, none of them seem to know what such a global empire would likely look like in the context of it being a high tech civilization. That is despite them having the USA as a very good example of one such empire.

Basically, if you:

suspect that Atlantis was an empire

AND that it was high tech, and possibly higher tech than our world today

AND you understand that today America is an empire that literally spans the globe

AND you understand the truly humongous extent of previous cataclysms (i.e. they are GLOBAL in scope),

then, if you look at the name of the ocean to the West of Europe and Africa and to the East of N. and S America (hint, it's called the ATLANTIC) and look at the few islands in that ocean that are clearly the tops of mountain ranges (azores, madeira, canary islands), you can draw a very plausible conclusion that Atlantis was an high tech GLOBAL empire centered on a large landmass that is now thousands of meters below the Atlantic ocean, and that it spanned the global in terms of power and influence.

I think Graham H. does a good job on connecting pieces together, but without verbally mention any final conclusion. He always pushed the idea of the bigger ancient cities should be now under the ocean and not mostly on current land areas, although he mentions that clues could be found in the now Sahara desert and Amazons, reason why he is trying to get archeologist and third party scientist to study and scan these areas.

The advantage we have, I would assume, is that we have the Cs and some other channeled information which we can gather info from (Edgar Cayce, Ra, etc.) and gives us a better idea of what it was like. Somehow, I would understand as well that it would be harder for those people who have zero interest on studying channeled information to see Atlantis as an empire/global civilization instead of a huge city/country, they would take Plato's story very literal and prefer to have tangible evidence instead. It's sort of like those archeologist or people wanting to get proof of places that are mentioned in the bible, to prove the bible itself. And I agree, that having an entire ocean called Atlantic is this first thing they should pay attention to.

 

[Mari]

In the book "Where Troy once stood" Wilkens argues that the purpose of The Odyssey was to keep the knowledge of the secret navigator´s routes, but besides it having a purpose of being a maritime chart, it also contains hidden information - description of the stages of initiation into Mysteries.

On the other hand, the Cs said that:

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Q: (L) Well that makes me think of something. Reading all of these analyses about the Odyssey, it's almost like the Odyssey is an epic story that describes a world similar to our own. When Odysseus comes back to his home, he finds it occupied by these psychopathic, consuming, partying, drunken, rude, obnoxious people. He himself comes into his own as a stranger, a beggar, is treated like dirt, insulted, things are thrown at him... Basically, that's kind of like what our world is doing today. The poor are being oppressed. It's like the whole global elite is acting the part of these suitors in the Odyssey, and Odysseus is everybody else in a certain sense. Just reading this story, it's like apocalyptic. People start behaving that way and it's like they bring down destruction on their own heads. Am I kind of on to something here?

A: Yes. And it is a good exercise for your forum because it will convey many truths at a deep level.

Q: (L) Anybody else? (Ark) I mean, who is going to play the role of Athena?

A: No dice!

Q: (Galaxia) What did Athena do? (Ark) Well, without her, the suitors would win. (L) So you're not going to tell us that?

A: Let us just say: Help is on the way!! Goodbye.

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(Sid) What was the real motivation behind the mythological Indian texts of Mahabharata and Ramayana?

A: Record events of great significance.

Q: (L) Okay. And the second part of the question:

(sid) Are there any factual events or just adaptations of Odyssey, etc?

A: Odyssey was part of the same phenomenon.

Q: (L) So the Odyssey was another group of people recording the same sort of events?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) But recording it in their particular way?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, you don't have to say that one was the derivation of the other - just that there was something significant enough going on for people to get upset about it and write about it in the only way they could. They didn't have the scientific language that we have. They had to write about things in the way that they were able.

So, maybe if we say that The Odyssey is all of the above combined, perhaps by looking at he map of the places Odysseus visited we can see where the biggest horrors, i.e. major impacts, occurred and also map the outlines of the Atlantis across the Atlantic.

 

[SOTTREADER]

I went into a bit of a rabbit hole on this subject over the weekend. In one video I heard an interesting question - if we were to accept that Atlantis did exist and that it's survivors tried to rebuild it after the last major cataclysm, then where the hell are their descendants/ knowledge carriers as since the last 1500 years, they are no where to be seen?

The other thing that never added up in my mind, if Atlantians had the ability to get off-planet and reach as far as Mars and build pyramids etc there... how come they didn't build a temporary ship for thousands or something to remain in orbit whilst the comets were raining down, and then they'd come back down to the planet after things settled down? Surely their scientists would have been able to track the comet fragments coming in. Assuming that they did this, the question remains as to why they couldn't successfully rebuild their empire after the last cataclysm.

Anyways, all very interesting. For clarity, in this documentary they disagree that there was a continent that sank - their hypothesis is literally that the western bit of Africa was Atlantis and the Richat was their capital city - essentially.

Another random question - if human life expectancy was on average 800 years, how many kids would a normal female living 800 years have?

 

[irjO]

I went into a bit of a rabbit hole on this subject over the weekend. In one video I heard an interesting question - if we were to accept that Atlantis did exist and that it's survivors tried to rebuild it after the last major cataclysm, then where the hell are their descendants/ knowledge carriers as since the last 1500 years, they are no where to be seen?

That is in the sessions, it wasn’t just one cataclysm during those thousands of years, many others happened during the time the descendants were trying to rebuild the previous civilization.

The other thing that never added up in my mind, if Atlantians had the ability to get off-planet and reach as far as Mars and build pyramids etc there...

You are thinking the younger dryas was the main event of their destruction, it wasn’t the crystals. If their technology destroyed them it must have been something without much notice that happened rather quickly. Perhaps the survivors couldn’t organize something like that after crystals went crazy. And not long after the younger dryas happened, again we are going by what the Cs said. Can’t prove it happened like that or not but it would make sense. Imagine now, if we have capability of going to the Moon and Mars and we have no clue that our AI system will turn against us one day without any expectation.
Do you think we would have the time to plan an “ark” specially with our tech turning against us?

 

[axj]

The other thing that never added up in my mind, if Atlantians had the ability to get off-planet and reach as far as Mars and build pyramids etc there... how come they didn't build a temporary ship for thousands or something to remain in orbit whilst the comets were raining down, and then they'd come back down to the planet after things settled down?

That is a good question. Maybe by the time of the cataclysm in about 10,000 BC the Atlanteans no longer had space travel abilties - some of the sources on Atlantis mention that it sort of degenerated with consecutive cataclysms, maybe technologically too.

As to rebuilding the Empire, the C's said that only about 19 million people survived out of 6 billion before the cataclysm. The world population reached 1 billion again only in the 19th century.

October, 22 1994

Q: (L) After the "flood of Noah" approximately how many people survived that cataclysm on the whole earth?

A: Approximately 19 million.

Q: (L) Why did the population of the earth continue to decline from that point?

A: Because of disease and inability to adjust due to artificial manipulations of the genetic pool.

Apparently some kind of major genetic alteration was also done during or after the cataclysm.