Q: (L) OK, try this: Are there separate bases operated or built or constructed or somehow occupied or utilized or whatever by STO beings alone?
A: OK, time for us to teach patience. We are going to illuminate you! Why do you suppose there are roads around Dulce NM where people have become confused when traveling on them? Because the 4th density vibrational frequency emanating from the nearby base more and more frequently resonates on surface.
Q: (L) OK, continue.
A: Then going to 4th density: road seems straight as seen in 4th density, when curved in 3rd.
Q: (J) It seems straight when seen in 4th, but it's actually curved in 3rd? (SV) In other words, accidents! (J) It changes configuration from 3rd to 4th! (T) When people drive those roads out there, as the fourth density seeps out through, and is seeping out farther and farther, they become confused because they're moving between 3rd and 4th. As the road curves in 3rd, and the car, which is in 3rd, should be curving with the road, the driver sees the road as straight, and drives off the road, because he's confused by what he sees.
A: Exactly.
Q: (J) It's all about perception! (T) Now, we're back to perception of reality!
A: In 4th, you see full circle from any vantage point.
Q: (L) We talked about that before. (T) So the road looks straight, because you're seeing it from all angles, therefore, instead of it being curved on one, you're seeing it
every way, so the road is now straight. But, it's not really straight in 3rd, and you drive off the road. (L) OK, continue on with what you were saying...
A: The entire New Mexico region is on verge of moving to 4th density permanently!
Q: (L) OK...
A: Because of the bases.
Q: (L) So, in other words, the rumors of the bases being moved, being filtered down from other densities, through some of the distorted channels, is in essence, somewhat
correct... (J) Because they need to have the base in third density! (LAURA ) Only, they're not moving them to Paris, Washington or Buenos Aires, they're moving to 4th
density.
A: Close but the bases are already there, pity the host regions. Why do you think there is so much activity seen there!
Q: (L) Does this mean that when that whole region goes to 4th density, that it's going to, for all intents and purposes, disappear from 3rd?
A: No.
Q: (T) OK, answer your earlier question, then. Why is there so much UFO activity there? Tell me.
A: Bleed through.
Q: (L) So they're flying around in 4th density... (T)...and they're showing up here in 3rd because...
A: Wait 'til shift is complete.
Q: (L) Do you mean the shift of New Mexico? Or the total shift? (T) I think they're making the sarcastic statement: "Wait till shift is complete... We ain't seen nuthin yet!!"
We're just beginning to.
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Now, this opens up some questions. First question. You made the statement "But the bases are in 4th density." What happens when the 3rd density base, which is
vibrating itself into 4th density, runs into the 4th density base that's already there?
A: Merge.
Q: (T) They become one base?
A: They already are.
Q: (T) What do you mean by "They will merge?"
A: To same density.
Q: (J) I've got a question... (T) OK, now, is this moving of the third density location a side effect of the bases? Harmonic resonance, and all that, as in the beginning of the
Matrix? Are we talking about the fact that it's been there so long, that that section of third density is now resonating itself to the fourth density frequencies, and that this is not exactly what they wanted it to do, but it's a side-effect of the fact that they're there?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Did they know that it was going to happen?
A: The 4th density STS did, but not 3rd.
Q: (T) One of the little surprises they weren't told about before the deal was cut? (J) If I may ask my question now: You've got these third density bases that are going to
move to fourth density. Are they going to need to re- establish another third density base to continue their work? To replace the one that's gone?
A: Why? The whole "territory" will be in 4th then. Tremendous reality shock will occur when it crosses the border.
Q: (L) How will we in third perceive it? (J) We won't! (L) Now, wait, don't make assumptions here! How will we in third perceive it? Let's play make-believe here. What
are they going to say?
A: Tremendous reality shock when cross border.
Q: (L) Are you saying that this whole region will go into fourth density when the Realm Border crossing occurs, or is it going to happen shortly?
A: Before!
Q: (L) OK, this is going to be a tremendous reality shock to us, in third density? (J) I guess! (SV) Well, New Mexico's not going to be there any more! (L) Well, now, how
are we going to perceive it? That's what I want to know! Are we going to see a big hole in our world? Are we going to see a vast, empty desert?
A: New Mexico will still be there, but suggest review driving skills, for but one example! [JR's note: New Mexico's vehicle license plate does say "Land of Enchantment."]
Q: (T) New Mexico will still exist, but the perception, when you drive into it, is going to change completely, because you've moved into a different density?
A: Cooking will be fun too!
Q: (T) Because it's fourth density. (L) Wait, now, stop a minute here... (T) This is not something that can be covered up very easily... (L) Now, hold on, back up. What will
we perceive... I mean, what is it going to say on the news? Everybody in New Mexico disappeared? (J) Or they all go nuts... (T) I would hazard to guess...
A: News blackout.
Q: (T) They're not going to say anything. Now, what is the government's response? I'm sure they will do something like ... "An underground nuclear facility for old rods,"
and they have to block the whole state off... (L) That's tangential. (J) They're going to have to keep people out! (T) How will they explain it? They will not let anybody in!
(L) But they still have... What I'm getting at is... That's begging the question! (T) I have another question... (L) The question is, what will... (T) It will look like New Mexico!
(J) It will be different every time... (L) But the question is, will there be people there? Will there be buildings there? If you fly over it, if you could fly over it, would you see a landscape? Would you see cities? (T) It will look like New Mexico... (L) They didn't say that!!!
A: This requires 1,000 answers!
Q: (L) In other words, there is an issue here! (T) Yes, there is, and there's another issue. That's only one base. OK, we're talking bases...
A: Colossal issue.
Q: (L) My question is a colossal issue here. What's going on here? This is the whole thing. (T) My question, I think, is important, too. There's more than one base. If one is
doing it... (L) Well, they said the whole territory... (T) Not New Mexico; there are bases in South America, there's supposedly a base off the coast of Florida... (L) OK, is
this going to happen to all the bases? (T) There are bases all over the world...(L) But New Mexico is where they're hearing all that "business." (T) They're hearing the
"noise" in a lot of places around the world. (L) OK, are there other bases and areas around the world where this is going to happen?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Is it going to happen simultaneously?
A: No.
Q: (L) It'll happen as it develops... (T) The same way it developed out there. (L) In other words, they'll move their activities to the other locations, once one place... (T)
No...
A: No.
Q: (J) Yes, because I asked, and they said no! (T) The bases were not all established at the same time. The base out there is becoming affected.... (L) The oldest...(T) We
don't know if this is the oldest, we don't know about other places in the world... (L) That's true. (T) ...where nobody can go. We don't know what's going on in Russia, and
in China, in Africa, in the middle of the rain forests, what's happened there... But, as the bases, as our perception of time goes by, each of these bases will experience the
same thing, in their due time. (L) This brings to mind a couple of questions we discussed a couple of weeks ago, when my brother was here. After we had talked about the
underground bases, and the soldier effect, and the taking of the souls out, and so on and so forth, and I don't know if we got into it effectively or not, but I don't think so. Is there some connection between these bases and their activities and a concept that has emerged in our culture, of Hell being underground?
A: No.
Q: (L) OK, is there some connection between these bases going into fourth density and the idea of some of the ancient prophetic literature that the...
A: Bases are partially 4th density already, and always have been. It is the surroundings that are in for a massive change.
Q: (T) OK, now, this brings up an interesting concept. Two interesting concepts. When Roger Santilli was here, we talked about his compatriots messing around with this
stuff on a small scale. This is on a massive scale that's getting out of hand on purpose. (L) And they mentioned that these things had been being done by whom, and blah,
blah, blah... (T) Yes, now, the question is, they told us that the Lizzies want to control us, not in third, but in fourth density. They've also told us that this wave realm border
is coming, which is our human chance to move to fourth density on our own and escape, if we can do it, as a group, the Lizzie's control. The Lizzies have brought fourth
density to us before the realm border gets here. Everybody who's in a fourth density area, like the New Mexico people, like you were just asking, what happens to
everybody, gets transferred into fourth density, where they are controlled by STS, fourth density, in physicality, right on up there, before the wave gets here, before they
understand what's really happening to them... (L) That's what I was trying to say earlier... (T) It wasn't coming out well, but that's it, right? (L) The ancient prophecies,
where they talk about taking out the negative, and that this amount to the taking out of the tares, the weeds, the chaff. (T) It's not only in this location, it's in many locations, so they're going to grab... (L) Gathering them together ... (T) ...a whole bunch of humans by way of these bases that they told the different governments a lie about the purpose of the bases. The bases weren't for any of this other stuff that they told them. The bases were there specifically to generate the resonance effect within the area. (J) And spread it... (T) Yes, well, they knew it would grow, therefore they can grab everybody within the area. In New Mexico, depending on how big an area, they're hearing
it out to Taos and as far southeast as Albuquerque. That's a big city. There's a lot of people there, in that area of northern New Mexico. To the north of that, they can take
out Las Vegas, which is another large city. Plus the tourist areas throughout the National Parks. Now, the bases have been in out of the way places. The information, or
disinformation, is that, the bases would be moved under large cities. Is the experiment that they have performed, and they calculated out, to see if this works on a sparse
area first? And then, to move to large population areas, and do it again, and on a second level of experiment, accelerate it? (L) OK, let's ask. Is that the idea, that they're
trying this there, and then move to the large cities for the same purpose? (J) Like trying it out in Boston...
A: No. Remember, you are moving to the density 4 anyway.
Q: (J) My question is, in the case of the New Mexico locality, is this a "contained" event?
A: Regional "blip".
Q: (J) OK, so it is contained, it would not spread. (T) Well, it's not big enough to spread. But it is bigger than what Santilli's buddies are messing with. (L) OK, is there
anything happening under the cities of Buenos Aires, Washington and Paris? Along these lines?
A: There are things "happening" under all cities.
Q: (L) OK, I know you said "things", but I said along these lines.
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Is what I said, what we postulated earlier, is this their idea, is this the Lizzie's idea? The fourth density beings' idea? To gather us up before the wave gets here and
then they can make their move?
A: No need.
Q: (L) OK, let me ask it this way. Is this event going to take all the people with it into fourth density STS? I mean, all the people who go with this event?
A: No. People will not "go."
Q: (J) People will not "go." It will be like those people that were trying to retrieve the planes, and every time it changed, their realities kept on changing. (T) Is this like the
people, the flight 19 stuff?
A: No.
Q: (L) What's going to happen to the people in the region? (T) That was an Atlantean thing, they flew into the Atlantean power pyramids... (J) No, that's not what I meant...
I'm not talking about the guys on the planes, I'm talking about the people that were trying to retrieve them, and they kept on changing back and forth from dimension to
dimension... (L) What's going to happen to the people in the New Mexico area?
A: Nothing.
Q: (L) So, if the region disappears... (T) It's not disappearing. It's just shifting... (L) So if the region goes into fourth density, will the people living there also be in fourth
density?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Will they notice that anything is different? Will they, not us, they? Those who are within it?
A: Are you kidding?
Q: (L) I guess they will. (T) Well, I don't know, that's why I'm asking. (J) Their perception is going to change! (T) But, how can their perception change if they're not going
into fourth density? (L) No, they said they are going in to fourth density! But they're not "going" anywhere (J) There will be no traveling involved. (T) We're not "going"
anywhere, we're shifting our frequencies up to the next density, not moving from where we are.
A: Picture driving down a highway, suddenly you notice auras surrounding everything.... Being able to see around corners, going inside little cottages which become
mansions, when viewed from inside... Going inside a building in Albuquerque and going out the back door into Las Vegas, going to sleep as a female, and waking up male...
Flying in a plane for half an hour and landing at the same place 5 weeks later...
Q: (J) [reads previous passage and says:] Perception is "BEING," and changes all the time! (T) That's "variability of physicality!" (SV) Albuquerque... That's where the
University of New Mexico is! Can you imagine that whole campus...! (T) Can you imagine the poor casino operators when "chance" no longer plays a chance....? [Break]
Q: (T) How is this changing of the densities, in that large and major a way, affecting the wave? They said that the scientists, messing in a small way, are affecting us and the
wave. How is this, on a large scale, doing?
A: No relation.
Q: (L) No, it wasn't that the scientists were affecting the wave, they had no effect on the wave, they were affecting the curtain between densities, which is a totally different
thing from the wave, which is an oncoming thing. (T) But, does it speed it up, what does it do? What is the effect?
A: No.
Q: (L) No effect. Let me ask this. Is there any possibility that this regional movement to fourth density is going to manifest in third density as some sort of cataclysmic
activity?
A: No.
Q: (L) OK, is this perception of reality imposed on us from outside, or...
A: Not imposed upon.
Q: (L) OK, what is it that determines... I mean, I know awareness determines, but if a whole region is going to go, is it because all of the people occupying that region are at
a level that they can change their awareness?
A: No.
Q: (T) It's not going because of that. It's going because the bases are being used to manipulate. (L) OK...
A: No.
Q: (T) It's a side-effect of the bases...
A: Yes.
Q: (T) it has nothing to do with anybody being ready to go... or anything else but as a side effect?
A: Also atomic bomb blasts.
Q: (J) Oh, Los Alamos bomb blast!
A: Blasts.
Q: (T) OK, now, how about the French, and their atomic bomb testing in the South Pacific? Is this activity accelerating some sort of transition, or opening of a doorway...?
A: Maybe.
Q: (T) OK. As the bases reach these points of side effect, of transition from third to fourth, each one in itself is localized. But, do many of them together form a much larger
shift over a larger geographical area?
A: We told you it was regional.
Q: (J) Yes, each one is regional, but do you reach a point where... is there a saturation point? (T) Is there a cumulative affect over each region? (J) As they go? (T) In other
words, if you've got one whole...
A: No, we meant SW US region.
Q: (L) OK, this South West region, this is imminent in this area? Is that correct?
A: Imminent?
Q: (L) OK, it's already happening, is that it? (T) It's in progress.
A: Yes.
Q: (L) OK, what else were we asking? Can people come in and out of it?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Can you get back out of it? (T) How well can you drive and cook?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) You said other bases are going to experience, or are experiencing this same effect.
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Are there other bases that are experiencing, have experienced this effect, previous to the Dulce base?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) As these bases experience these effects, in different places on the geographical surface of the planet, do the effects become cumulative? (L) They said only the SW
United States... (T) I know, I'm approaching this from another direction here. As this happens, will this ultimately take in the whole planet?
A: No. Wave.
Q: (L) The wave will take in the whole planet. (J) It'll be a Swiss-cheese effect? With more and more holes as they go on... (T) News blackouts will not keep people from
hearing about this. How's the power structure going to handle all of this?
A: ?
Q: (L) How indeed? That's a good question. The power structure already knows it's happening, because it's happened in other places already. This isn't the first place. (J)
That's what the disinformation is for. (T) Disinformation is fine in remote places where nobody can reach, like Outer Mongolia, or the middle of the Brazilian Rain Forest.
When it happens in downtown Albuquerque, or Las Vegas, or off the coast of Florida, and you can't go to Orlando or Miami anymore, somebody's going to notice! (J)
Where is Miami or Orlando on the timetable, that's what I'd like to know! (T) How is this going to affect... (L) Interestingly, JR just said something that keyed in a good
question. If time is involved in this, is it possible that when something goes into fourth density, that if we were traveling to that area, that we would arrive in that area at a
different point in time? And that we would say... (T) As we perceive time...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Very good question.
A: 4th density frees one from the illusion of "time" as you WILL to perceive it.
Q: (L) OK, if you're freed from the illusion of time, going into fourth density, would you then go into one of these regions and perceive a time period and sequence of events
as you expect to perceive it?
A: As you WILL to perceive it.
Q: (L) So, in other words, there may be some people on the planet, because of their fixity of will, and perception, at third density, who will not perceive anything change? Is
that correct?
A: No.
Q: (L) So, anybody will, something will be different. OK. (J) What they do with that information, that's a different story... (T) You know, these areas will become bigger
tourist attractions than any that are out there now! People will flock to them... (L) Is that possible?
A: No.
Q: (T) It's an "E" ticket ride! When the word gets out that people can go to that area of New Mexico and experience true strangeness, it's going to draw a lot of people.
A: Not that simple... Picture driving to reach New Mexico by car and "skipping" over and arriving in San Diego instead, or... driving to the grocery store in Santa Fe, and
winding up in Moscow, instead.
Q: (L) So, in other words, this is going to create a situation where people on the planet are going to become very confused and upset over this situation. (J) Yes, have you
ever tried going shopping in Moscow? (T) They're going to draw a lot of people when they find out that happens! (L) And being forced to expand their perception and
awareness because of the anomalous events!
A: Imagine being an N.S.A. official and shiverring at the prospect!
Q: (L) N.S.A. National Security Agency... Why would you shiver at the prospect...(SV) of being one of them? With all this going on?
A: Concealment.
Q: (J) In other words, trying to cover up what's going on! (T) Well, they're not going to be able to cover up what's going on. That's what I'm getting at. And because of
what's going on, it's going to draw people to the effect... (L) If something like this happens, obviously, what they're going to have to do is institute some kind of martial law,
so they can cover it up! Or else, they'll lose everything! (T) They're going to have to restrict travel... (L) Well, yes, we know that, but they don't! (T) They're going to have
to, at the minimum, restrict all travel through those areas... (L) Well, yes... (T) The only way they're going to do that, is either impose martial law, or come up with some kind
of MAJOR disaster to keep people out, like I said, "buried, spent fuel rods are leaking contamination over NW New Mexico, no one allowed in." But, they just told us that
those who are inside can get out. So how are they going to keep those who are inside from coming out, especially if they come out all over the world when they leave? (J)
People will be talking a mile a minute about all the stuff... (T) People are going to find out, they're not going to be able to cover it... (L) Well, they're going to find out about
all the stuff. They'll be picking them up every time they hear about one, but of course, it will be like trying to move the bucket from leak to leak to leak... (T) From place to
place, and it's not the only place it's happening! (L) ...and it's going to be leaking so many places... (T) The bases that are more located towards or closer to civilization than
has happened so far... [Lewis comes in and asks a few questions and the group "brings him up to speed" on what's been said, and then continues on.]
Q: (L) They said they were going to teach us. Let's ask if there is any major, further information on these bases, that we need to know. (J) Is there one around this area
that's going to do this? (T) It's off the coast of Florida, they told us that. It's out in the Gulf. (L) Is our off-the-coast base going to do this? (T) If it [New Mexico] covers an
area as far as Las Vegas, and through there, it's going to cover us. (L) Is our base going to...
A: Not of same intensity.
Q: (J) Less or more? Which direction?
A: Less.
Q: (L) Is there... (T) Why would it be less? Because the base is smaller? (L) Because it's smaller, they told us it was smaller. They said 'Small base near here'. (T)Well,
that's just the one near here. What about the one out in the T riangle? (L) Yes, we didn't ask about the Triangle!
A: Panhandle, too.
Q: (L) Is the Panhandle less, or will they have the same thing happen as Dulce?
A: By that time, the wave will arrive.
Q: (L) Is there anything about these bases and this subject matter that you wish to teach us further at this time?
A: Suggest direct channeling for this subject.
Q: (L) Well, you know how we feel about the direct channeling, that there is too much personal filtering involved. This way, none of us knows anything...
A: Faith must enter the picture somewhere, lest you fall behind. Some subjects are too complex to be properly discussed through this medium.
Q: (L) OK, we'll save this discussion of the bases for a direct channeling session. The only thing is, in a direct channeling session it is... There are some things about it that
are disturbing. It tends, after doing it several weeks in a row, to become, it begins to sound pompous. (SV) Let's ask. (L) Why is it after doing it several times in a row, it
begins to sound pompous, information begins to get skewed, why is that?
A: Perceptions are a fun challenge.
Q: (L) That's easy for you to say, because, when the answer comes back that... (J) You're not "perceptually challenged!"
A: It is easy for you to say many things.
Q: (L) Well, the thing is, when absolutely incorrect information comes out, I have a difficult time dealing with that.
A: How do you determine correctness?
Q: (L) Well in that particular instance, I was told that a certain thing that I saw in the sky was the planet Mars, and the planet Mars was so far away from that spot, that it
was absolutely incorrect. I mean, the planet Mars was 120 degrees away from Jupiter. And yet, you said that they were 10 degrees apart; that what I saw that was 10
degrees away from Jupiter was Mars. Unless Mars traveled 110 degrees across the sky in one day, then that was incorrect information. There's no two ways about it!
A: Wrong!!!
Q: (L) No, it's not!
A: It is!!!
Q: (L) What is wrong? That Mars didn't travel 110 degrees? Because that is exactly what you said, that it was Mars. I went back, I read over the session!
A: You were in a 4th density flap.
Q: (L) Well, fine and dandy! If I'm in a 4th density flap, that's an easy answer for... any answer that seems to be at variance with what's happening here. I mean, do you get
my point here?
A: Yes. But you are still mistaken.
Q: (L) Why am I the one that's mistaken? Why can't you be mistaken?
A: We can, but not on this one! Remember, you felt strange during this experience. And besides, you asked us for the information, we must present it to you as it is.
Q: (L) You're saying that I felt weird or strange or unusual at that occasion, I don't remember saying that I felt strange or unusual, are you trying to put words in my mouth?
A: Who said that? You said that.
Q: (L) OK, you didn't say that I said that. You said that I said that I felt strange or unusual. I don't remember that I said that. I don't remember feeling strange or unusual.
A: OK.
Q: (SV) How many other times during direct channeling was wrong information given? (L) A lot of the other information is unverifiable. (J) How much of this is unverifiable?
(L) Well, that's what I'm saying. When there's a point such as that... (T) Well, when they shut down the southwest and declare martial law and keep everybody out, then
we'll know that there's some truth to it. (J) Is there a base in the "Show Me" state? They'll have a great time! (T) Is there a base near Denver?
A: Yes.
Q: (T) Let's think about the Scallion map of the future continent. The "Cities of Enlightenment" that are on his map. There's one in Denver, there's one near Albuquerque,
there's one near Tallahassee... (L) Doing the direct channeling is so excruciatingly boring.
A: We only suggested it for complex issues.
Q: (L) I suppose we can handle it in small doses. Let me ask about a dream I had the other night, about being on safari, and then being given some information, followed by
an event where it seemed like something shot out of my side. And then two days ago I was in the bathroom and noticed there was a deep puncture wound in that area that
was somewhat healed. Could you tell me what this represented, or what's the story here, or what happened?
A: Another session.
Q: (L) Then let's say goodnight.
A: Good night. (L) Well. I had a whole list of questions that we didn't get to ask. And we only asked one question. I'm going to be more careful what I open with! I'm going
to be sure I don't ask something that's just full of implications! (SV) Well, how do you know what question is going to be full of implications? Anyway, what are you going to
tell the Konicov's? (T) "Don't go to Albuquerque!" End of session.
So I tried to think, "what do they ask me?" and I guess the answer to that is nothing. We don't communicate very often, and they never ask me for advice. I have tried to broach "alternative" topics with them on things like health, psychology, etc. but they don't appear very interested. Too many "regular" things at this moment in their lives to figure out I guess.
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and such. And come to think of it, such stories are told by the late author, Tony Hillerman, in his books which I did read many years later, which caused me to re-live my time (2 years) as a social worker in NM, and wonder about it all.