New to Me: Online Text Readability Calculator

those results (between The Wave and Secret History) seem to fit my impression of the difficulty in reading them.
I found Secret History more difficult (that is a bit of an understatement to be honest) to read then The Wave.
but then even The Wave in itself is quite high for me especially because my native language is not english.
 
Laura said:
Well, I wish it were more accessible. The majority of people operate at about grade 7, I believe, and that's what I was aiming for, trying to simplify things.

Yes, but do you really think all your books are readable by 12 year olds or should be?

I think the failure here is in the education system, and not your writing style.

Any effort to 'dumb down' what you have to say is really not worth it, IMO. The 'majority of people' are simply not yet ready to hear what you have to say. A time will come when they will be (I think), and at that time I would imagine they'd rather hear it all - instead of having to wonder what you 'really meant' by what was transposed so that 12 year olds could understand...how could they in this day and age?

I, for one, am more interested in the accuracy (ala the C's style of measurement), than 'readability.'

For those who do not wish to know, no proof is ever enough...and what does a 'readability' scale measure anyways - if it is based upon a system of schooling that has little to do with any actual measure of reality competence, and more to do with mindless regurgitation...and more importantly, how could your work possibly test on that same scale???

Different ballparks, IMO.
 
It's really amazing (and telling) that in this day and age with so many people having "higher education" degrees (at least a Bachelor's), that 11th or 12th grade reading level is considered difficult. What could this mean except that a very large part of the people with college degrees shouldn't have even graduated high school?

When I took my college entrance exam, I realized just how bad the first 12 years of education in NYC must be. Because if I could not pass that entrance exam, I would probably not have graduated 8th grade to enter high school. Yet, because the college I went to was part of CUNY (City University of NY), the vast majority of the students came from bad city schooling systems, and so, it seems to me, the entrance exam standards were lowered to ridiculous levels otherwise very few of those applying would get into the college.

Since shortly after entering college, I became aware that just 100 to 150 years ago, the number of people who got a college degree was a very small fraction of modern numbers (in terms of percentage of population). BUT, those who did get a Bachelors or higher degree had a general education level that is beyond the imagination of most of those who have these degrees today.

In fact, some highly educated and well read people who have tried to read family letters from the mid to late 19th Century in Armenian didn't know many of the words used in an informal writing -- and these are people whom I consider having a very high level of vocabulary in Armenian (and other languages). What happened in just a few generations?

Another example: My paternal grandfather didn't have any formal education and read all the classic literature either in the original language or translated to Armenian (e.g. all of Victor Hugo in original French and Shakespeare in Armenian translation). According to my father, he had such a huge library of books -- fiction and non-fiction -- that my father, also being an avid reader, hadn't even come close to reading half of it when by the time he was in his mid 30's. And all my grand parents, and also my parents, spoke at least 4 or 5 languages. Something really happened in a very short time to human intellect. OSIT.
 
even though The Wave and Secret History were in parts quite difficult to read for me I think it is important to
convey those things nonetheless!

I would prefer to read something that is difficult to understand in wich you have to search for the meaning and answers yourself over something that conveys nothing of true value/data wich I could understand immediately because the important details and clues are left out!
 
A few years ago, the Government of Canada started trying to move toward plain language. Editors had received significant training and then transferred their knowledge to their internal clients. For agencies or departments that didn't have editors, or in situations where the editors were unable to effectively transfer knowledge, contractors were hire to provide training.

What they found was quite interesting. Convoluted language was often used out of a fear of sounding unintelligent. Why use a simple phrase when a big, complex word will suffice. There is an assumption that for products to get approved by senior management, it had to be filled with flowery language and words many people would need a dictionary to understand. The process seems to get reinforced when new employees arrived and were asked to write a specific document, be it a memo, policy, strategy, etc. The first thing they would do, would be to find an example of such a document and copy its style, thus perpetuating the problem.

What's worse, executives would approve the document, often making only minor changes to some of the simpler text or punctuation, avoiding the admission that they didn't understand what they were reading, not wanting to seem less intelligent than their staff. So, we had writers afraid of seeming unintelligent and therefore writing text that was above the comprehension level of management who didn't want anyone to know they didn't understand what they were reading. Of course, this is a generalization, but I experienced it first hand a few times.

After receiving training, staff still weren't applying plain language in their writing, although the text did become slightly more readable. Upon investigation, it was discovered that the behaviour was so entrenched that staff felt they needed permission from senior management to actually write in an intelligible manner. It took senior management to attend the training and speak to staff about the need for plain language before any significant change occurred. What made it easier for some was to explain the need as an accommodation for various disabilities internally and lower education externally.

While we are now seeing the results in content destined for public consumption, internal documents still suffer, as do the readers. Baby steps, I guess.

While this tool doesn't measure plain language andisn't intelligent enough to discern meaning in the text to discern whether it actually makes any sense, it's a good start.

I found another interesting tool: _http://www.online-utility.org/english/readability_test_and_improve.jsp

Gonzo
 
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