Next Density.....

Xico

Jedi Council Member
hello Every one:

For some years I've been reading about the next density, and that some humans will be able to transit to, and that some will be left behind. and all it is based on your choices made during your incarnation and gathering knowledge on this planet and so on.
one of the things i don't remember reading about is what happens to souls that keep lingering on the earth plane, are they moving to the fifth density once the wave comes by, to start over or will they remained stuck "forever" on the earth plane or whatever is left of it?.

any thoughts will be greatly appreciated....

Best regards.
 
Have you read Laura's Wave series, Xico? She gets into these questions in detail (you can read it online at cassiopaea.org, or order the books at amazon). In short, the answer is complex and there are many possibilities. It may be that some progress to a 4D earth, some remain on a 3D earth, some die and go to 5D, from where they may either incarnate in 4D or back to 3D. I don't think anyone will be 'stuck forever' on the earth plane, unless as a result of their choices, i.e., their own lack of development. But the future is open. And while it may be fun to speculate about all of these things, probably the most useful thing to do would be to look at yourself, and what these ideas may imply for your own life: how you live it, how you interact with others, and what you're doing for your own self-development. In other words, there's no free lunch in the universe, and what happens in the future depends on what you do now, in the present. In other words, doing the Work.
 
Hi:

yes i have read all the wave books, but i guess it was not very clear for me at the time or maybe i missed the whole point.
i understand that there is no free lunch in the universe and one must do the work.... so i will go back to the books and reread and pay close attention.

thank you so much for the advice given..

kind regards. :)
 
Xico said:
Hi:

yes i have read all the wave books, but i guess it was not very clear for me at the time or maybe i missed the whole point.
i understand that there is no free lunch in the universe and one must do the work.... so i will go back to the books and reread and pay close attention.

thank you so much for the advice given..

kind regards. :)

Good idea. It's always informative to read books like the Wave again: you catch so much more the 2nd or 3rd time. Also, be sure to read the session transcripts that have been posted since the Wave was written. There's a few tidbits on these subjects.
 
The classroom analogy has been used to describe our reality, where different classrooms with specific lessons are available for those at different levels of learning. At the human level, however, the classrooms and the specific type or 'flavor' of the lessons are designed by the students themselves as a result of their participation there, although there is also a dynamic interaction between the humans the structure of the classroom itself in that the classroom is conscious and responds in some way to the way humans design it and the lessons it offers.

A person (or animal) can spend as many lifetimes as necessary in a particular classroom before graduating to the next. The way I was thinking about the "closing of the grand cycle" idea from the Cs was that, every once in a while, the classrooms are cleaned out, available lessons destroyed and the whole thing returned to its basic 'clean' format. As that point approaches, it is no longer possible for humans to 'go back' and repeat lifetimes with the current set up and learn those specific lessons, because they aren't there anymore. When the classrooms are cleaned out, humans must go back to 'level 0' and start the participatory creating of the classroom environment.

People who ask about "the end" as alluded to by the Cs, seem to forget that, assuming reincarnation is real, we have all had countless "ends" in different ways when we have died in previous lives. What we think might be involved in this 'closing of a grand cycle' is a progressive destruction of the planet and most of the life on it to facilitate the return to '0' level for the 'restart'. That progressive destruction would probably involve major earth changes, epidemics and possibly meteorite impacts, if history is a yard stick. There have, after all, been massive epidemics (black death for example) major earthquakes and volcanic eruptions that have killed hundreds of thousands, and destructive meteorite impacts, as part of relatively recent world history. And if you notice, those kinds of events are on the increase over the past few decades. But it seems that the 'end of life on earth' as many people think about it, is not likely to be a sudden obliteration of all life on earth, but a relatively slow process, albeit quite spectacular and disturbing as each event unfolds.

If 50% of the population died by the end of the year from an epidemic viral infection, what would the other 50% think about it? And if the other 50% were whittled down to 5% over the next 2-3 years because of other 'natural catastrophes', would that be a good enough prophesied 'end'? Or to put it another way, imagine that a member of this forum, who was well versed in the material we have produced, happened to die in the 2004 banda aceh quake and tsunami, or the more recent Japan tsunami? Is it not likely that such a person would have assumed, just before they died (if they had the time), that that event was part of, or the actual, prophesied "end"?

If you died now, you might have the opportunity to reincarnate at any point in time of our human history and live another life because the 'time line' that goes back from the present day and connects all of our history is still 'alive'. But when this 'grand cycle' closes and the the 'cleaner' comes in, that line is 'rubbed out' and all of our history becomes little more than a dream or myth. At that point, anyone who wants to incarnate onto 3D earth would have to join the newbies again on the 'clean slate' new 'time line' earth.

Or so I have been musing.
 
Perceval said:
Or so I have been musing.

Nice post Perceval. I like the allegory of the classroom. After reading The Wave and beginning The Fourth Way, I am starting to see the cosmos and myself more clearly now. It is like a living classroom.

Xico, rereading The Wave is a good idea, also for practical application, I suggest Ouspensky's In Search of the Miraculous and The Fourth Way. As AI said, speculating can be fun, but it really comes down to: what am I doing right this moment to take advantage of this opportunity? OSIT.

Just a thought: Ouspensky posited in his "Ray of Creation" that Man was borne into a bad place due to all the influences from the planets, sun, other suns, et al; that it must take amazing effort (knowledge and being, and help from networks) in order to eventually transcend. And with all these influences in constant motion and consequence (ie orbits, gravitation and electromagnetic connections), even a materialist might have to agree that the classroom is "alive".
 
Perceval said:
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If you died now, you might have the opportunity to reincarnate at any point in time of our human history and live another life because the 'time line' that goes back from the present day and connects all of our history is still 'alive'. But when this 'grand cycle' closes and the the 'cleaner' comes in, that line is 'rubbed out' and all of our history becomes little more than a dream or myth. At that point, anyone who wants to incarnate onto 3D earth would have to join the newbies again on the 'clean slate' new 'time line' earth.

Or so I have been musing.

Thanks for that great illustration. So, if the 309,000 year cycle posit ed by the Cs is valid, that is sort of like saying that a completely new "school system" is constructed for each iteration. Worse, whatever understandings you may have accumulated before the previous school was 'closed' may not even apply or you may not be able to keep them? Scary thought.
 
Really interesting and well put Perceval.

This made me think a bit (could be wrong here): So we have all these signs, from the cosmos, from political situations, animal deaths, police state, history etc. One way perhaps to look at it is there are some students who are busy with their own stuff and not really paying attention, and those kind of students may also form groups (with similar interests) and therefore interact and feed their own 'reluctancy' (or non-readiness) and learn things at a different pace. Not that this is bad or good, but just that it is. You could say that they're certain steps below of this other group:

Students who are interested in those signs and pay attention to what the teacher says and shows, make their homework, and group up with the other kids who have similar interests. They then strengthen each other's capabilities, they share their strengths with each other. One may be good at this subject and explains this to the others, the other may be more knowledgeable about another subject and shares this with them, etc. Everyone gives their bit to the whole. This way their learning experience expands (exponentially) and is greater than those who do not. And some of these students may graduate 'quicker' than those who don't pay (at that 'point in time') attention in school this way.

Again, no bad or good, everyone is at a certain point of learning certain lessons. Maybe this last group of students were the non-interested ones in their past lives, and perhaps after having made mistakes and mistakes throughout lifetimes, they realized they've had it, and they want to pay attention now, lessons that are not only of an individual nature, but also perhaps universal lessons.

Then you have students of the same who pay attention, but have not been able to meet other people with similar interests, they get stuck in groups of these other 'non-paying-attention' students, and get influenced and start to join them. Then you have those who see some of the signs but don't know how to act properly or how to strategically let their voices be heard.

For example, if indeed (as came out of my P&H session) I was someone in one of my past lives, who got locked up for life for having an opinion, perhaps I didn't have the knowledge or critical support back then to know how to go about responding to information strategically. Perhaps in this life I was able to find my family tribe, so to speak, which has taught me the tools to not only increase my knowledge and understanding, but to also know how to speak up strategically. Giving me a format to do so (sott.net, forum). And thus spread information in a helpful and clever way.

In any case, it seems to me that we live in a period of 'time' where a lot of information is available, and for a certain group of people this may speed up the individual and collective learning experience. Which is also why it may be important for this group of people to help those who are a step behind (obviously in an appropriate and externally considerate way). Let me say that if it wasn't for Laura putting up her material on the internet (for free even!) I don't know where I would be right now. And this also stresses the important point of what the C's have been saying: to recognize what Laura and the Sott team have been doing so much, they continue to bring out the signal so that more and more people may pick it up. And if we could help them to continue their works, and put efforts ourselves in translating, sharing or writing a Sott article, who knows, we may even bring someone who wants to know all of this material, but has been unable to find it or understand it, to finding it, which may help this person greatly.

And perhaps (big fwiw here), the classroom holds no purpose at some point anymore, for example for those in the first group I mentioned, of which some may be absolutely non-interested in matters that will help improve the quality of life of humanity/nature in a collective sense. So maybe then, for the majority of those, the classroom might just as well be cleaned out.

Or so I think, for what it's worth.
 
Thank you very much, Perceval. Thanks for sharing your insights on this complex issues making it more accessible to many.
Thanks also to you, Oxajil.

herondancer said:
Perceval said:
{snip}

If you died now, you might have the opportunity to reincarnate at any point in time of our human history and live another life because the 'time line' that goes back from the present day and connects all of our history is still 'alive'. But when this 'grand cycle' closes and the the 'cleaner' comes in, that line is 'rubbed out' and all of our history becomes little more than a dream or myth. At that point, anyone who wants to incarnate onto 3D earth would have to join the newbies again on the 'clean slate' new 'time line' earth.

Or so I have been musing.

Thanks for that great illustration. So, if the 309,000 year cycle posit ed by the Cs is valid, that is sort of like saying that a completely new "school system" is constructed for each iteration. Worse, whatever understandings you may have accumulated before the previous school was 'closed' may not even apply or you may not be able to keep them? Scary thought.
It really is. I wonder if could change something the panorama if there will be Humans who have graduated to 4 density?. I mean, they will remember previous lessons already learned and could give some kind of assistance and education (but, depending if they are STO or STS, I guess). So, that change could bring as result another type of "school system" for Humans in 3D for the next great cycle?.
 
herondancer said:
Thanks for that great illustration. So, if the 309,000 year cycle posit ed by the Cs is valid, that is sort of like saying that a completely new "school system" is constructed for each iteration. Worse, whatever understandings you may have accumulated before the previous school was 'closed' may not even apply or you may not be able to keep them? Scary thought.

Could well be so. I think the Cs said that even the process of reincarnation only allows for certain 'inclinations' as a result of lessons learned to be carried over from life to life. No actual full awareness as in, "no way, I did that in a past life and it was a bad idea!"

So, yeah, I'd say that the restart is a real restart of everything. 'Do it all again' means do it all again from a position of a complete newbie. How that process actually happens at a soul level, i.e. where the knowledge gained is somehow wiped away, is hard to imagine. Then again, for most people, there may not be much to lose, in that most people don't seem to really learn anything of enduring value from their experiences :zzz: in one ear and out the other. Although, maybe the 'universe' learns through us, so the lessons are not wasted in that broader sense. It also brings to mind the comment by Gurdjieff that at times of cosmic change, all of the knowledge that is available and which most people don't want, is collected by some few individuals.

I wonder if there is an option to reincarnate to another 3D 'realm' that is still in its own process and where the fundamental lessons learned could be built on....

hmmm...
 
Perceval said:
herondancer said:
Thanks for that great illustration. So, if the 309,000 year cycle posit ed by the Cs is valid, that is sort of like saying that a completely new "school system" is constructed for each iteration. Worse, whatever understandings you may have accumulated before the previous school was 'closed' may not even apply or you may not be able to keep them? Scary thought.

Could well be so. I think the Cs said that even the process of reincarnation only allows for certain 'inclinations' as a result of lessons learned to be carried over from life to life. No actual full awareness as in, "no way, I did that in a past life and it was a bad idea!"

Hmm...maybe that's why C's mentioned that there are many who wanted to be incarnated at this time and took what ever bodies and families they could? And that's why there is an intensification of karma/lessons, plus quickening of the cosmos? And that's why C's also said that there are many in 5D who are rooting for Laura an Co., since whatever will happen will determine their future incarnations as well.

Time is running short (for this timeline, that is), so better learn the lessons already before the Wave will wash it all, and this world will be given a clean slate? Maybe it also has to do with whatever C's said about smashing of the souls, while the Wave is the ultimate exam? You either pass and graduate, or don't, and your soul is smashed to its initial level, and you need to start all over again.
 
Keit said:
You either pass and graduate, or don't, and your soul is smashed to its initial level, and you need to start all over again.

I think there is an option for "doing it all again". The "soul smashing" is perhaps the worst case scenario.
 
Perceval said:
Keit said:
You either pass and graduate, or don't, and your soul is smashed to its initial level, and you need to start all over again.

I think there is an option for "doing it all again". The "soul smashing" is perhaps the worst case scenario.

Yeah I think so too.. Its like having the results of the scholar year: if you get A or B you may pass to the next level, if you get C or D you will have to repeat the year.. But if you get F then it would be like a "soul smashing" where you would have to restar from the beginning of all school years.. Something like that.. If we really want to get that A or B then we have to do "the work" and is not that easy..
 
Or there is nothing... just DCM wakes up... dream over/universe collapse, maybe DCM see cosmic therapist, and they work out what the dream characters and the struggles represent... maybe DCM sleep on this again...

DCM’s words upon awaking... ‘I had the most peculiar dream... of war... of love....of tears...of joy and laughter... of really lovely people and some bold ones too... I even cured a thing called cancer, but some psycho killed me and took the credit... I was even a smart lady who read lots and was married to some kind of genus... I had children too... I died on battle fields... I was mugged... I was beaten... I worked in factories... I drove a bus... I wrote books... I did many things... but evidently I was asleep.’

Partner’s reply; ‘DCM... there is something you should know...{??? snip ???} ‘

(Perhaps snip is all of the above or something else)
 
Xico said:
hello Every one:

For some years I've been reading about the next density, and that some humans will be able to transit to, and that some will be left behind. and all it is based on your choices made during your incarnation and gathering knowledge on this planet and so on.
one of the things i don't remember reading about is what happens to souls that keep lingering on the earth plane, are they moving to the fifth density once the wave comes by, to start over or will they remained stuck "forever" on the earth plane or whatever is left of it?.

any thoughts will be greatly appreciated....

Best regards.

Hi Xico, You are asking specifically what happens to dead people with souls who have not transitioned to fifth density once the wave arrives. Fifth density, according to C's, is the first of the completely non-physical densities. It would seem that any souled being would get quite the extra added impetus to go 'toward the light' it seems, if any physical/3rd density aspects of their being discover that 3rd density is in a sense being destroyed, dissolving or morphing into something else.

I am not sure that what we think of as our history, or timeline would completely cease to exist in an absolute sense, I'm not sure, but it would not be part of any new 'ray of creation' as described in ISOTM. It would become a dead evolutionary end like the dinosaurs, and no evolutionary possibilities would exist 'in the future'. Perhaps dead evolutionary ends are re-absorbed back into the Cosmic Mind, as information.

In some UFO literature, witnesses have reported seeing dead relatives along with 4th density beings, so I wonder if souls who have not transitioned are not in (a quasi/sort of?) fourth density existence - one foot in 5th density and one in 4th or even 3rd density. I shouldn't over speculate or "wiseacre" with limited knowledge, but graduating out of 3rd density prior to or during the arrival of the wave would seem to help for survival 'in the future'... and I keep thinking... time does not really exist.

[edit: added "who have not transitioned to fifth density"]
 
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