Nick Fuentes, from troll king to... leader of a true 'America First' movement?

[Phill4]

Yeah I think he's trolling, he takes things to the extreme for the drama and entertainment, he can't seem to help himself. I've seen him do it on other shows so it's not new and it does have a comedic feel- very dark, dry humor that is. That said, it doesn't set a good example and it just creates more division imo. If Nick could embody what he preached in his Kirk speech then maybe he'd actually get somewhere.

The context for the above 'spat' was that Candace said Nick was making Charlie's death about him when he tweeted that groypers were being blamed for the murder of Kirk. For a short while, the MSM was trying to link groypers to Kirk's murder, so that much is true. Candace was dimissive and reactive, likely because of his segment on her the night before Charlie Kirk's murder and their ongoing beef.

If the shoe was on the other foot, Candace would've defended herself against MSM lies so imo it was reactive and shortsighted of Candace to say what she did, hence Nick saying "nasty woman". But she's obviously grieving, and he could've apologised for his rant the day before, which he did not.

She did post this yesterday, but it wasn't directed at Nick specifically:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1967020759274123655

At this point I am over their soap opera, it's childish drama and neither one of them seems to be above it. If anything, this whole thing with Nick Fuentes has taught me not to put people on pedastals and think they are superhuman. Take what they say with a grain of salt and investigate for myself. Critical thinking 101 I guess

that's just one clip. *He's* been doing this for weeks/months on many of his shows and she's said very little.
*He* started it and kept it going and cries when he gets clapped back?

I have had time to watch both their shows and stances, and it s a combination between with white people looking for an outlet to vent and him being a willing instrument who thrives in chaos.

Trolling is not an answer anymore, i go steal stuff from a store everyday. But im not a thief guys!, im just young and finding myself. Com'on now..

When do people stop making excuses for him?

When baby Nick Fuentes is reactive and irrational (and proven WRONG about it) FOR MONTHS , it's okay but when Candace calls him out once for his damage control video on Charlie now she's shortsighted and hysterical? And he is a victim.

I agree she over reacted and was poor strategy but she saw her friend get shot in the face, he is not interested in strategy.

Throws dirt on people to highlight himself, "teaches" people not to have people on a pedestal while demanding (and getting) idolatry
Blames others for what he himself does.

Hey, if people love him whatever, i get it, but im gonna call him out cause my job is not to sit here and be impressed by his unimpressive 1940' eugenic re-packaged rethoric. He's not even adding any new facts or data to it.. i'm surprised he is not using the clinical term "moronic" to lable people...

i know why people like him and resonate with him, but im not giving him an inch, not in his arguments where he demands self accountability for every race but not his, not as a person where he trash talking everyone but can't handdle the same treatment.
Acting like the black little mermaid took his lunch money and now he's bleeding out.
Troll and insults for thee but not for me cause im disaffected.. gt oh

Black people are all to blame for the violence of every other black person and he makes the standard disclosure to save face. Cool, lets face that FACT. Yes they are violent and little foresight and i want to move into a black neighborhood: said no one ever, all true..
but let also face the FACT that when white countries blow up brown countries and trigger the subsequent migration of browns in to white countries all of the sudden is the jews and the democrats.
Or when whites allow christianity to be eroded and replaced with a secular jewish state that persecutes your own religion and heritage, it's just side effect of progress diabolicat rock and rap music it's the jews but i keep buying it..
"freedom or religion" but delusional of the fact that islam sees state and religion as one entity and they laugh at secularism

And yes the jews at the top a the main problem but for the sake of making a dishonest argument like he does, im gonna ask:
Is the tendency to sell your countries out to jews ans self sabotage your heritage ALSO a genetic trait?

Sound very stupid right, but then again is it? Since we are playing in the dirt and not accounting for hyperdimentional forces and undergrounders and grief sucking entities, the statistics that most white countires bow to israel, i guess you can technically make that case...

At what point does he buy a mirror?

white people do the lay up and then the jews dunk on everyone's face.
Ben Shapiro nailed it there, he said "they act like they have no agency in these events" 100% correct.
You feel a little sad and lost in your bedroom or break up with your ex-gf and then instinctively you join the millitary to fight for israel. Really? Vietnam taught americans no colegtive lesson?

That's his level of arguing.

A very one sided type of transaction every time with this guy. And if the groypers were even slightly intelligent i'd take that L but all of them are brainless they are AS cult like as derranged liberals.

It's not lost on me that his goal is stimulate cohesion and hyper tribalism through polarization. do you, save your race, white people are awsome, truly, excellent cities, terrible food, all love from me, but again im not here to clap like a seal and nod my head like a dashboard toy at his rethoric, im a thinking being.

Believes in demons but hyperdimensional beings are beneath him. That's too out there, even when there is more evidence of aliens than there is of his demons..

Like every argument he makes has holes,and don't stand the test of scrunity, but he is so charming tho im melting over here.. Smh

Throws a bunch of darts in the dark and when one eventually lands , NOW he is a prophet. Broken clock is right at least twice a troll..

Oh he's just trolling
Oh is just humor
Oh he's just young
Oh he is disaffected
Oh he is high IQ

Everyone repeats the same exact rumors

Bro.. No.

And i'll show you why that argument doesn't even stand:

Here is what he said to Candace, go to the last minute and a half ......or why not just watch it in full..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1958023495855522019

Yeah some of his "trolling" are his actual views
Not pitying him AT ALL, scrunity goes both ways
He wants to get in the game but hides behind "trolling" and being young and poor me. that's too bad, toooooooooooooooo bad he chose it, just like Candace

Not aiming at you Jenn or anyone else. Just addressing the general argument

 

[whitecoast]

Yeah I think he's trolling, he takes things to the extreme for the drama and entertainment, he can't seem to help himself. I've seen him do it on other shows so it's not new and it does have a comedic feel- very dark, dry humor that is. That said, it doesn't set a good example and it just creates more division imo. If Nick could embody what he preached in his Kirk speech then maybe he'd actually get somewhere.

I've known people raised in highly stressful and dysfunctional households who have a portion of their emotional and mental energy always wrapped up in these "battle plans" to tear down anyone, at any time, at a moment's notice, should the need arise.

If you have a portion of your instinctive substratum always siphoning energy and intellect into these batshit angles and schizo rants that ultimately disconnect you from reality and from relating to others, "all for the lulz," what kind of person are you turning into?

 

[Jenn]

If you have a portion of your instinctive substratum always siphoning energy and intellect into these batshit angles and schizo rants that ultimately disconnect you from reality and from relating to others, "all for the lulz," what kind of person are you turning into?

As Joe said- an obnoxious brat...

I didn't think it was necessary to do the whole "I denounce Hamas Nick Fuentes" thing before entering the discussion but it seems that what I said may have been misinterpreted by @Phill4 . I don't love Nick and I think he has some obvious issues. He's not a good role model imo, and I don't like the way he attacks people and jokes about them/mocks them (but I don't think some of his comments should be taken seriously). I also worry where he will take people. Unless he can drastically change his personality and behavior I don't see me liking him any time soon.

At the same time, I can listen to his political rants and agree with some of what he says, whereas months ago, I dismissed him as a deviant racist without even looking into him. Funnily enough, I have Candace to thank for helping me see things from other points of view. I like her a lot, and she was interviewing people I wouldn't normally agree with, which made me think twice about judging someone off the bat.

All of that said, it's pretty irrelevant whether I like him or not because many people do. He has almost 1 million Twitter followers, 28k America First members, and many listeners every night on his Rumble show.
It remains to be seen who the young people will turn to now that Charlie Kirk has been murdered. I doubt people will turn to Ben Shapiro, especially if they think Israel did it, so that leaves Nick and a couple of other moderate voices.

 

[SOTTREADER]

Didn't know who this guy was so read this thread. Gut instinct says no... just another spell binder busy hypnotising people who are ripe to be hypnotised.

For me, it's about what people do, not what they say. Putin says very little but does a lot - he remains the standard bearer.

 

[Phill4]

I didn't think it was necessary to do the whole "I denounce Hamas Nick Fuentes" thing before entering the discussion but it seems that what I said may have been misinterpreted by @Phill4

Phill4 is having a conversation about a controversial public figure with controversial views.
I'm not chasing members down who side with Nick over Candace.
Many people I respect like him and that doesn't change anything.
Merely used your post in a broad manner.
this why i said

Not aiming at you Jenn or anyone else. Just addressing the general argument

I'm not flipping out at you, i can promise you that.

But just to be clear What i was responding to you specifically is more about the situation with Candace, where is not a matter of opinion, HE kept it going. He instigated it for MONTHS, HE is the paranoid and because he is "trolling" no one holds him accountable. She wanted to continue to have him on. Now Candace claps back and now he's a cries and his followers rush to make excuses.

I also disagree with you in that he SHOULD be taken seriously, because people DO blindly follow him and he has GENUINE ideas that are worth discussing.
Good and bad.


The nature of this thread , I take it, is to discuss a public figure and in that service Im stating some points i've heard no one say about his character, NOT his research.
Maybe i didn't have to be that sarcastic and hyperbolic.

That by no means is a demand to change anyone's opinion. People are free to disagree.
For instance ,I personally feel safer *believing* the following odds about the shooter: 75% mossad or CIA - 20% derranged liberal - 5% organic
Everyone is gonna have different odds about it, i'm not imposing absolutes nor do I have enough info for my opinion to matter, it must stay in the realm of belief.
Cross-reference with reality then adjust.

My whole point is that he is not above scrunity when he said the stuff he says.
That video can't illustrate that any better. Full stop.


Now this is separate topic that he brings up, the uncomfortable conversation about race:
and i will mention that i don't have much of a racial hung up so if anyone hates a hispanic or a gay, i can outnumber you in reason why you are not wrong.

About his stances on blacks.
Black fatigue is real, you should profile peolple when you walk down the street, (i was attacked by a black hispanic guy once for NO reason, almost lost an eye) (another time some black lady spat on my face) (another time a black cooworker acused them to put rat poison in his food) (literally as i'm writing this two kids scremaing n**ga this n**ga that) all that is real, alllllll that IS real.
There is a conversation to be had and he's been having it.

If anything his most valuable contribution aside from his thoughts on Israel is the fact that he removed the stigma around these conversations at a political level.
He is saying what everyone thinks. Not taking that away from him at all.

And oddly i find his movement necessary as obnoxious and sneaky as he is, white people ARE being targeted and to illustrate the danger, look no further than how Lyndon B. Johnson targeted and sent entire generations of blacks into the wellfare system and subsequent decay, the present for blacks maybe well be the the future for whites if nothing is done.

So
You shouldn't let your countries fade
You shouldn't let your traditions and heritage erode
You shouldn't let your RELIGION be taken over.
You shouldn't walk around with guilt
And if you don't want to intermix , then dont unless you want to.
And IMO you shouldn't feel like you need to ask permission. Neither guilt nor arrogance.
Act and live in your capacity.

Cause i don't get this idea that white people feel "forced" to do things that are seemingly fully under their control.

Non-white people take that as an attack and i kinda don't get that either, indians stick to their traditions, and music and race AND religion, so why is no one calling them out.. it's ridiculous.

I listen to Nick from time to time, but what i don't do is let him sweet talk me or when he starts with the nonsense i tune out, im capable of reading headlines and books and form opinions. Thats just me.

If i'm gonna point out someone who actually nailed it and accurately predicted HOW and when Trump was gonna cave YEARS ago, it was An0maly. That's someone I think is actually very smart.
And even he grifts and milks Trump for hours, can't hate the hustle, but it's the truth.

 

[SOTTREADER]

Now this is separate topic that he brings up, the uncomfortable conversation about race:
and i will mention that i don't have much of a racial hung up so if anyone hates a hispanic or a gay, i can outnumber you in reason why you are not wrong.

Only a minor point...but... gay people aren't a different race

On the topic of race though, that subject is fraught with lots of traps and mental short cuts because ultimately one ends up generalising. When one generalises when it comes to humans, you end up losing the nuance that everyone is ultimately an individual. There's no big blob, no hive mind.

General patterns and themes are certainly present but it's really difficult to work down to fundamentals and root cause because there are so many layers of intertwined factors. I think "culture" is a big thing. I think the way society is made up at the present time is a big thing. I've been doing a lot of reading on the Mongol empire recently and these guys were an absolute force back in their day - why? Probably because of the context they lived in and how that interacted with their genetic make up, customs and traditions. If the world changes, including the fabric of our reality, certainly you can't say you know who the force of tomorrow will be. This is to say, there's so much at play that to dig down to a single root cause to explain people from a general sense is fraught with danger and mental short cuts. If it was possible to do this, I'm sure the big brains at DARPA would have invented race specific bioweapons by now.

Having said the above, it's less mentally taxing to generalise.