Nick Fuentes, from troll king to... leader of a true 'America First' movement?

Phill4 said:
When do people stop making excuses for him?
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It's probably only people who like him or resonate with his views who would make excuses for him. Many would not even know of him, or simply can't be bothered 'makeing excuses for him', or even supporting him. He seems to be a button pushing 'drama queen'.

I agree with Candace and Tucker on his character. I think that he's racist because he is insecure (and so is his family). If he was Israeli, he would 'hate' Arabs, if he was African, he would be a 'war lord', but he's not, he's a white 'christian' American. Even though he's young, this doesn't seem to be a person of good character. To me, he looks like he's running the right wing equivalent of what Antifa represents.

Anyway, when I saw he was going on The Daily Wire with Ben Shapiro, it reminded me a little of "Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar". I wonder how long THAT's going to last?

It stands to reason that Israel would want to capitalize on Charlie Kirk's death just as it stands to reason The Daily Wire would want to recruit people who don't take a moral stance on Israel. Maybe they just want to recruit people of whom Israel would approve?

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Ryan said:
Looks like NF just did a 180 on Israel. $$$
https://twitter.com/x/status/1969002144016548103
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Ruth said:
Anyway, when I saw he was going on The Daily Wire with Ben Shapiro
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Ryan said:
Could be that they see NF's views more as "anti-Netanyahu" than anti-Israel, so they figure he can be used to vector anti-Israel sentiment in that direction? If so, it could be another indication that the deep state is getting ready to throw BN 'under the bus'.
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That tweet was just a comment on the change in stance from NF and not a breaking news statement that NF is going on The Daily Wire.

A more accurate read of the tweet would be, "Nick's parroting the Israeli line so hard that he may as well join Ben Shapiro on The Daily Wire."
 
Ryan said:
Looks like NF just did a 180 on Israel. $$$
https://twitter.com/x/status/1969002144016548103
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"More than anything, I love to humiliate people who are wrong."

Still a troll king then.

More generally though, what's he's exposing is his immature, cartoonish understanding of 'Israel', where it's just 'a tiny country over there' that somehow, 'magically', 'controls' US government policy in the broad strokes, but doesn't/can't carry out 'specific executive actions' within the US.

Something to keep in mind, as Joe has pointed out on the Charlie Kirk thread, that America First Israel critics like Fuentes haven't read or seen enough to understand that the country they were born in is really, functionally, 'US-rael', a thoroughly symbiotic enmeshment where it's very difficult to see where one 'regime' ends and the next begins.

2015 MAGA held promise as being a movement that could, potentially, 'de-couple' them back into the US and Israel, but events have shown that that's not gonna happen.
 
luc said:
They are right insofar as there IS no evidence pointing to Israel. There are (valid, IMO) speculations about Israel's motives, but that's it. And even that is not a clear-cut case, because the whole thing led to massive blowback for them (although I still think it's a valid argument).

The problem with this is that people like Darryl and Fuentes SHOULD know better than to dismiss that angle completely, because "Deep History" makes Israel/Mossad/DeepState prime suspects.
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I think that circumstancial evidence is still a type of evidence and there is more than enough of it in this case:

- Mossad/Israel's history of being involved in many assassinations and false flag attacks, including 9/11

- Kirk started to criticize Israel and perhaps more importantly, refused to take $150 million from Israel

- Credible reports that Kirk was afraid of Mossad/Israel punishing him

- Netanyahu repeatedly denying that Israel had anything to do with it and apparently lying that Kirk still completely supported him and Israel's actions. A head of state denying being responsible for an assassination is quite unprecedented in itself.

- There is some evidence of occult symbology in this assassination, eg. numerology (666 and 999), the pyramid, etc. For example, Gigi Young is pointing out that this has occult or 'dark magic' fingerprints all over it. According to the C's, the real controllers of Mossad are Kaballists.

The only real counter-argument is indeed that the blowback for Israel has been quite unprecedented as well, so there is the possibility that another powerful faction such as the globalists, the technocrats or the nationalists are framing Israel as part of a power struggle.

As to Fuentes, maybe it is a good thing if he loses a lot of his followers by completely flip-flopping regarding Israel/Mossad.
 
Beau said:
Let's see how Fuentes feels about the Charlie Kirk memoria... Oh.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1969912777709068704
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In fairness though, the memorial event kinda was a MAGA rally.

What's way more significant in his recent commentaries, IMO, is his 'going to bat' for Israel against Owens.

While Fuentes himself doesn't appear to have really changed, what HAS changed is something akin to his 'return from exile'.

Today he's a guest on the PBD podcast, and just two days ago on the Russell Brand podcast, and on Sept 10th he was to appear on the Jimmy Dore podcast, though that one was canceled due to Kirk's assassination).
 
Niall said:
In fairness though, the memorial event kinda was a MAGA rally.
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I didn't see it like that. Majority of people spoke in religious tones, so it felt more like a Big Church event to me. Trump of course can't help himself and it was cringey to see him talk politics, but people like Tulsi, RFK, and Vance weren't doing that if I remember correctly and Trump isn't going to go religious. TPUSA explained the pyrotechnics as being something CK loved at their events, so that was in tribute to him.
 
I think this is his reasoning:
One of the reasons he thinks is a leftist behind the attack (aside from his irrational distaste for Candace) is that last year someone showed up at his house to kill him.

_Suspect in 3 deaths was killed by police in far-right influencer's Chicago-area neighborhood

So his personal experience.
Something else that aids that stance in general is, that it is hard to dismiss it when you have so many people derranged enough to celebrate it (Charlie's death)


EXCEPT, that is also not imposible to imagine a gov or their minions, who have no problem bombing Gaza and have the entire US gov on their bag, to have an interest in the youth and his work in general. And all the many inconsistencies. And the lack of video evidence and everything else. You have all the typical psyop signs so entirely dismissing it AND making a scene about it to prop himself up seems more personal than objective.

His personal experiences are not all the scope of reality, and him getting ratioed by his own base gives him an opening to wiggle out of the prison of his own caricature if he is to survive on the mainstream. He's been announcing it.



The problem in Fuentes' position is that he is gonna be technically "right" either way.... Because MOST of these manchurian types TEND to be leftists anyway and they make sure you know it.


Niall said:
In fairness though, the memorial event kinda was a MAGA rally.
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Yeah, Candace said it was gonna be a bunch of feds (and got heat for it) and she wouldn't have gone anyway.
She probably found it obvious because she knew who's in attendance.
Can't never let a tragedy to go to waste.
 
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