Nick Fuentes, from troll king to... leader of a true 'America First' movement?

Shapiro responds, indirectly, to Fuentes:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1985390264391704667

That he even feels he has to say that, that "this is our conservative movement, not yours," gives you an indication of how worried they are.

And by "they" I don't necessarily mean Israel-Firsters like Shapiro, but all who are ensconced in the belief that "this is our movement, our country."
 
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Niall said:
And by "they" I don't necessarily mean Israel-Firsters like Shapiro, but all who are ensconced in the belief that "this is our movement, our country."
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No breaking away from Israel support in Shapiro's imagining of the conservative movement under any circumstance. No Woke Right Groypers allowed to even speak. But their narrative is slipping away.
 
Fuentes decided to change his tone with Candace after She made her statements on the Tucker x Fuentes interview.

if there is something that bothered me about his reactions to Candace was his missuse of the momentum to further expose the critical views on Israel (it felt like an ethereal drain) since i was following that very closely at the time.

It appears that Fuentes has decided to properly use the momentum this time around.

If this guy is suseptible to beaming to alter his reaction this far, he may experience protection under the unbrella of Tucker Candace nexus.

The momentum is may become even bigger if they all work together (even if it is indirectly right now) iregardless of his dumb opinions which( i dont take my health advice nor dating advice from him) his most important message stands, hopefully he doesn't mess this up

His last 3 streams were very good for his message, seems the arc of petty attacks stopped, but my thought is , he is good for the message until he is not.
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Nick on Venezuela

https://twitter.com/x/status/1984693865786277911

Somebody tell him the Neocons called, they want their foreign policy back... But beyond the 30 second snippet, here's his position on the global resources competition in more detail.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1976882678244032792
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His position at least from the stream 2 nights ago, is that foreign policy is okay, because since we are already in it in Ukraine, we might as well win it as other countries will lose confidence in the US (similar to a stock)
And He believes Putin is an expansionist.

His foreing policy stances seem very naive BECAUSE of his attachment to ideology, AKA US should be the boss of the wolrd. Good for rethoric, bad for reality. He doesn't see how Putin is giving balance to the equation
 
IMO Fuentes continues to come across as pretty pathological and in my book should be handled that way unless he changes to the better. I actually think if there is a will, most humans are equipped with enough free will and agency, that almost everyone can change to the better including people that are afflicted with pathological tendencies, even extreme ones. Unfortunately, not so many people seem to be able or willing to muster a will and reason to change.
 
Cosmos said:
IMO Fuentes continues to come across as pretty pathological and in my book should be handled that way unless he changes to the better. I actually think if there is a will, most humans are equipped with enough free will and agency, that almost everyone can change to the better including people that are afflicted with pathological tendencies, even extreme ones. Unfortunately, not so many people seem to be able or willing to muster a will and reason to change.
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He is not gonna change any time soon, he just changed his attitude with Candace for now.

I have this theory, people don't change for better or for worse. They may chose one thing over another. But the only 4 scenarios i see where a person actually changes are :

-Nomal growth (brain development)
-Trauma
-Actual Self work (not pretend self-work)
-And very slow cumulative changes over time (like a piggy bank)

In the past 3 days he didn't just come to enligtment, he just decided to focus his energy in something else


I have this example, i have a family member going through a breakup and there aare all these emotions and (promises of change) flying around in their coversations, and neither of them have changed the core problems that caused the break up, it's just words and attempts.
 
At the end of this 3-minute explanation from Fuentes to Carlson as to 'why Jews?' he mentions Eric Weinstein visiting the Arch of Titus in Rome and seeing it very differently to Europeans:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1983643914700779817

"The historic animosity between the Jewish people and the Europeans. They hate the Romans because the Romans destroyed the temple. That's why Eric Weinstein goes to the Arch of Titus and gives it the finger and takes a picture. We don't think like that as Americans and White people. We don't think about the Roman empire and two thousand years ago. They do."
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Here's Weinstein's photo and X post on it by the way:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1354711008900616192

And now here's the Israeli prime minister, recently, when asked what book he's currently reading:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988656038002978986

"The Jews against Rome. We lost that one. I think we have to win the next one."
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And now here's the Israeli prime minister, recently, when asked what book he's currently reading:
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Gee, it's Paul vs. Peter all over again. Seriously!

People who wonder about Nick's stance on the Nazis and generally want to understand where he and his many followers are coming from, listen to this 20min segment.

I don't doubt he's being serious here, and it basically boils down to "Yes, Hitler was a bad tyrant, I'm not a Hitler worshipper, and the Holocaust happened in some form although it was probably exaggerated with lies and propaganda, but this Holocaust religion needs to end. We don't give a sh't, it's just another cruel episode in history among many, and just because the Jews were traumatized by it doesn't mean the rest of us need to obsess over it, turn it into a sacrament, and let us be manipulated by all of that."

Very reasonable take IMO, and a long shot from some of the literal Nazi worshippers you find on X and elsewhere. Frankly, they should be happy it's Nick who's breaking these taboos and not others. But they never seem to get that, in the same way they didn't get that Darryl Cooper is actually a much more Jew-friendly "myth buster" than many others, so they should prefer him over the Hitler fanboys, but they still went after him like mad.

Anyway, whatever people think about Fuentes, a Nazi he is not.

(Interesting how he talks about "our Rome" in this context too -- seems like people everywhere are picking up on this old dynamic between Israel/Rome, between Paul/Cesar and the Jerusalem Church, whether consciously or not.)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1988318157124375025
 
luc said:
I don't doubt he's being serious here, and it basically boils down to "Yes, Hitler was a bad tyrant, I'm not a Hitler worshipper, and the Holocaust happened in some form although it was probably exaggerated with lies and propaganda, but this Holocaust religion needs to end. We don't give a sh't, it's just another cruel episode in history among many, and just because the Jews were traumatized by it doesn't mean the rest of us need to obsess over it, turn it into a sacrament, and let us be manipulated by all of that."
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Exactly. Simple fact: Almost nobody is alive today that experienced (let alone, participated in anything at) the NAZI times from any sort of adult age. Thus, it is more than just a little nonsensical for anyone, including the Germans, to be guilt-tripped about something that none of them have anything to do with. And it is also stupid that so-called "Israel" thinks it has any authority or right of guilt-tripping anyone, anywhere, including Germans, about anything that happened back then in Nazi Germany.

I would wish that more people would just point out that simple and very reasonable fact every time nonsense of that kind is invoked and tell all those guilt trippers to just fu** off. Basically, it is none of our business what happened back then.
 
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I would wish that more people would just point out that simple and very reasonable fact every time nonsense of that kind is invoked and tell all those guilt trippers to just fu** off. Basically, it is none of our business what happened back then.
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It's a deep program I've seen in Westerners. I've seen people lower their voice mid-sentence to whisper the word "juz" even if we were alone. You shall not utter the name of thy lord in vain indeed. Hollywood movies, schools, boomers' reductio ab hitlerium, etc. are not without effect. More than guilt, what I observed was more reverence and fear. Before any intellectualization, one has first to liberate onself from the mental prison of the religion through blasphemy, even in private: juz juz juz juz juz,...
 
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