Nick Fuentes, from troll king to... leader of a true 'America First' movement?

[Arlind]

He also represents a tendency to "identify" too strongly with some immutable characteristic (such as sex or skin colour), or some "tribe", (religion and/or political party).

That's the unfortunate distinction from his peers (Carlson, Owens etc) who seem to have understood, internalized and are in the process of transcending the identity politics trap. And I mean, at a deep level. He is simply too attached to it, and seemingly has not made any effort to see beyond.

 

[Ruth]

That's the unfortunate distinction from his peers (Carlson, Owens etc) who seem to have understood, internalized and are in the process of transcending the identity politics trap. And I mean, at a deep level. He is simply too attached to it, and seemingly has not made any effort to see beyond.

Yes, and sadly he may not be able to ever 'get there', which is a shame for everyone who has such high hopes of him. Unless, of course a person is a Zionist and then Fuentes merely gets exploited and used for their own benefit (another shame, in my opinion because it is so terribly obvious).

What I'm really happy about is to see the rise of the "gun bros" most personified in the increasing popularity of Nate from Valhalla VFT (your post #195). It's a relief to find people are resonating more with strong, down to earth, eloquent male role models. Nate is especially suited to that role because of the way he looks in addition to his long experience with special forces and the military. I've very pleased to see an increase in the number of good male role models in the internet space.

 

[Cosmos]

Fuentes on sex:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1903816615512215605

People are saying this aberrant attitude towards relationships likely means he's closet gay. I think it's more like he sees himself as a warrior-monk for whom sex must be 'sublimated' in order to 'achieve the highest good'. Otherwise, sex for him is "purely utilitarian," for propagation of the species, which is decidedly not what its primary purpose is, as Laura's been explaining recently. He may fall under Cleckley's Caricature of Love as one who 'hates women'. He's certainly afraid of them, or strongly resents them.

A “warrior-monk“ could IMO certainly be at least part of it. It could also be that he convinced himself at some level that he “has transzendent“ the sexual and might even view it in a rather schizophrenic way as categorically “evil“ or beneath “his great standards“ of what spiritually should be or look like.

Whatever the case, I‘m pretty sure that his views especially on woman are pretty plainly pathological and he either isn’t willing (at this point at least) to deprogram himself and/or isn’t able. I also think there is a good chance that he is a closet gay in some way or that he had proclivities towards something like that at some point in his past. Wouldn’t surprise me at all.

 

[Moine]

People are saying this aberrant attitude towards relationships likely means he's closet gay. I think it's more like he sees himself as a warrior-monk for whom sex must be 'sublimated' in order to 'achieve the highest good'. Otherwise, sex for him is "purely utilitarian," for propagation of the species, which is decidedly not what its primary purpose is, as Laura's been explaining recently. He may fall under Cleckley's Caricature of Love as one who 'hates women'. He's certainly afraid of them, or strongly resents them.

He's just still too young to have the necessary life experiences, and vocabulary, for him to be able to eloquently state his position. Instead, he utilizes brute caricatures that drive emotional reactions in his audience, due to their minimal context and wide applicability.

Furthermore, matter sublimated often yields sublime essence. There is something to be said about intercourse as not only an end itself, but also a means towards an end. To those who see intercourse as a means for propagating a species, it's still a tool. For those who see it also as means for forming a stable and meaningful relationship, it's still just a tool. For an innumerable and compounding assortment of ends to which intercourse can serve as a means, it's still just a tool.

For any tool is just the culmination of examination and creativity sunk into the object for a particular purpose. Yet still, that tool is only as functional as the dexterity and carefulness of the craftsman's hands which wield it. A given tool of said quality, in the miserly hands of any craftsman, will only produce work that is befitting appreciation of its aesthetics attributable to it -- namely in others who share in the particular aesthetics of the work. However, the purpose of the work will only be as just, as the intent put behind making it.

That said, there is a difference between desire, and appetite. Desires can be approached through a variety of means, much akin in matters of love between: your partner, your children, your profession, your interests, et.c. - interchanging per your aesthetic preferences in finding the ideal experience in life to not only witness yourself, but also to share with another. Appetites are something else, as they essentially seek to fill that gnawing hole of desolate meaninglessness that is often experienced in one's being, but usually not identified properly. This is the error that moderns make.

So Nick is not sublimating his nature properly. He fails to address his appetites, by denying their existence, along-with mandating some notion of righteous sanctity in the assortment of his preferences. His appetites thus bubble-up through different means of expression, which is why there are many problems in his behavior. With that, his desire of wanting to be a creative expression that contributes to public discourse is subverted. This subversion of desire, compounds with his denial of appetites, and it propels him in such a way that is not only easily steered by another, but it becomes dangerous to himself. He's essentially in the withdrawal stage of drug addiction.

You do not beat drug addiction by refusing it outright. Instead, you recognize the harm that it does to your person, so that your conscious ego, and subconscious machinations do not fight with each other, and your own being. Only then, will the drug of appetite no longer taste, or feel so good, and is easily forgone.

 

[Phill4]

Ian's full interview is basically giving Nick all the evidence he keeps crying about (dishonest request from the start). Flaaaaaawless clapback.
and for someone as petty , miserable and emotionally unstable, as he is it's just crickets on all his socials.
Been sharing how i find him incredibly dishonest Fuentes is and his logic is upsidedown half of the time.

Other than that, It's a great summary of all the evidence nontheless in case someone is not up to speed with the case and general response to the critizism against Candace's stances.

 

[Benjamin]

Fuentes on sex:

I ran into this Fuentes short yesterday. I then read Laura's article from Niall's link today and the meaning of Nick's response changed. On first hearing it sounds quite logical but now his "just wants to be alone" sounds like there might be more to his narrative. Yeah, he's young still and maybe he's just enjoying his freewheeling lifestyle as an island. And yet, the way he tries to come across as doing the woman a favour by saving her from grief feels off.

 

[Cosmos]

I watched Ryan Dawson over the years on and off. I was hoping he will learn something at some point, especially after the Kirk thing. Doesn’t seem like it. Like with Fuentes I don’t have much hope and I am not holding my breath that this will change anytime soon with Dawson.

Dawson is very full of himself and has a big right man syndrome and not seldomly lashes out in not so decent ways. He seems to be a true believer in Andrew Tate and all the “Alpha Male“ lunacy. He is pretty materialistic too. For decades now he complains that nobody wants to talk to him because he thinks what he is doing is so great and right that people don’t have the guts to air him. While that might be partly true it doesn’t seem to have occurred to him that the way he treats people and being so full of himself might also be a significant reason why nobody wants to talk/associate with him.

He claims that he has actually more or less figured out the Epstein List thing and all its tentacles through hard and primary source research from official documents. And that there is actually no list as such hidden anywhere. Which in a way could both certainly be true. In that regard, he has all the research on paper and all the relevant names through that research. BUT, instead of making that research public so that people can look at it and come closer to the truth he seems to hide it and instead tries to get famous people out there to talk to him about it so that he can explain what is happening while not making it public. Well, maybe he needs to look after his financial income and thinks it is better to not make it public and get compensated for his hard work. Which would be understandable and maybe justified but at the same time you have to wonder how much of a truth teller he is and how big his commitment to the truth and justice actually is when he makes such a secret about stuff like that. Sometimes I have also wonder if he is “a fed“ with what he is saying. But I think he likely isn’t a fed but his nature/character just makes him appear that way sometimes and makes it easy to be mislead and directed by forces.

By the way, Ryan Dawson is also continuing to say and post pretty dumb and silly stuff while throwing truth tellers and seekers under the bus including Candace. I’m not surprised at all though. Dawson has probably missed the boat quite a while ago and now keeps digging deeper. He also recently developed an eye condition, which makes him cover that eye like a pirate quite often. As tone death as he is he will probably never even remotely consider the idea that his eye condition might be a reflection of his doings.

In a number of ways Fuentes and Dawson strike me as pretty similar characters.

 

[dredger]

There's a recent article on the french site Egalité & Reconciliation which wonders if Nick would'nt be Trump's attack dog ?
Just asumption, but this remains worth to read and it's not a long one.

Here's the link to the article in french.
I would like to post the link to an auto-translate done by google translate, but the site is heavily attacked since a couple of days and put some protection measures, which render difficult (or impossible) such translation. You'll have to use the auto-translation provided by the browser once the page successfully loaded to have it translated.

Here's the translation of the last part of the article :

The mad dog theory​

​

In politics, a mad dog is the more or less official lieutenant of an important politician who cannot afford to get carried away or provoke others. He delegates these tasks to his mad dog, who is considered unpredictable and dangerous. The mad dog attacks on behalf of his master, protecting him by keeping his enemies at bay. After all, who wants to mess with a mad dog?​

​

In recent history, we see that all dictators or presidents had a mad dog. Chirac had Pasqua, Stalin had Beria, de Gaulle had Messmer, Mitterrand had Deferre, Hitler had Himmler, Brigitte had Manu, Xi had Kim... Yes, a mad dog can be from another country. Kim keeps Japan and South Korea at bay with his nuclear missiles, but he wouldn't do so without the approval of the great Xi. Khrushchev had Castro, but that didn't last long.​

​

On the other hand, America and Israel have a bunch of mad dogs: for example, in our country, Sarkozy and Valls, respectively.​

​

If Nick is Trump's mad dog, who has the right to bite his uncles and aunts (Musk and Candace), what exactly is he good for? Well, for causing chaos or applying pressure wherever Trump wants him to. If Nick went to respond to Morgan, it wasn't to celebrate Christmas in London with Pakistanis.​

​

Trump's goal, and Musk's too, is to overturn the Europeanist table and deal with member countries bilaterally, not with the lunatics in the Commission. The United Kingdom can still be considered part of the EU, given that, like Germany and France, it is led by globalists. And that is what Trump is fighting against above all else: he may be the man of peace, but this is his real war.​

 

[Phill4]

Fuentes on his telegram posted a series of messages,
posting this to point out the contradicing principles of the America First crowd and white nationalists (as a mainstream movement) and the millitary types.

[To me all their arguments about great replacement theory, white genocide (being a crafted rethorics Ala BLM)and inmigration are just invalid]

Here is the thread:

"Retarded third world trash"

(Someone's response to him)

"Nick Fuentes: 'The era of American interventions around the world must end. No more foreign conflicts!'

Also Nick Fuentes: 'USA!!! '

Americans have literally zero principles. They're unfixable."

Taking your own side means calling out Jewish oligarchs and anti-American peasants from third world shitholes.

WE ARE AMERICA SECOND TO NONE AND WE OWN THE FINISH LINE

I have literally never said “no more foreign conflicts.” I support US Empire. I support the Monroe Doctrine. I support Hemispheric Defense. I always have.

TAKE THE OIL

THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE IS OURS

This idea of directly running Venezuela sounds really terrible.

Everyone is parroting (psyop-ing), Monroe Doctrine as justification


He is effectively a fed, the worse kind because he's not even getting paid for it.

 

[iamthatis]

[To me all their arguments about great replacement theory, white genocide (being a crafted rethorics Ala BLM)and inmigration are just invalid]

Why do you think the great replacement theory is invalid?

 

[Phill4]

Why do you think the great replacement theory is invalid?

As far as their stances? Absolutely
(BTW i welcome perspectives because this is genuinely what I'm seeing)

*this is as far as northern america is concerned, i can't speak on Europe or Russia*



First i don't necessarily see it as a "theory" i see it more as a rethoric. And a blame shifting exercise

(You) cannot claim that you are acting on belhalf of your tribe and culture then ACTIVELY join the military and follow orders blindly, actively engaging in librelism(while claiming to be conservative), actively triggering mass migration, which in turn gives immigrants direct incentive to come (and to hate on you). Actively hiring cheap labor. Actively depending on china. Actively intermixing and flying to the philipines, actively having small families, actively have a liberal culture of aimless promiscuity. Actively consuming garbage and taking vaxxines. Actively doing drugs and excuse it on anxiety. And then blame the democrats and the jews.

At some point , do something different, anything, right?


This is all self inflicted in a big way. I'd just call it the self sabotage theory.


Also because it's not even exclusive to white nationalism, i see this like BLM, like zionists, like LGBT etc, notice they are all being "persecuted and genocided." They're not:

-The black community can argue their replacement happened when the wellfare system targgeted them
-Gays can aregue their great replacement happened when AIDS was introduced
-and zionist, we all know


And i believe people need to separate rethoric from *reality*, the reality is yes the white race is being targetted and their culture and values eroded, they were effectively already replaced in positions of power, for the longest time......

But...... the same is true for everyone elses though. Look at Lybia





Take venezuela, today. they just got their big replacement and now they are gonna get their liberal policies in line, their commerce channels in line , their values in line, their zionist pledges in line,

--and this was americans soldierd doing this and bragging about it.--


Few months from now if there is an exodus, american nationalists will blame the democrats, and notice also how people are begining to say it, and they still struggle to admit it but they are saying it.
Blameshifting rethorical games rather than reality




The brainwashing: "support our troops" "they are seving our nation" "they were just following orders" that's all a lie.
They serve corporations and foreign interest in exchange for a succesful career. There's no draft in america, this isn't the Vietnam war.
And the american public rolls with it save for some influencers.


If i was in charge of the AF/nationalist movement
My *PRIMARY* goal would be to have unmoving condemnation for the millitary, even if only rethorically, otherwise they are lying to you (psyoo) then (do racist jokes and the whole performance) Fuentes appears to be a useful idiot because he is an interventionist and believes the foreign fed slop.
(thankfully he's being ratioed)

I wouldn't even call it karma, it's basic cause and effect. You do this, then this happens.


So in conclussion I don't think is valid because:
-to a great extend is self inflicted ( self sabotage theory)
-to a great extend is rethorical and not real
-to a great extend is not exclusive to only one group.
-to a fair extend appears to be exagerated

 

[iamthatis]

So in conclussion I don't think is valid because:
-to a great extend is self inflicted ( self sabotage theory)
-to a great extend is rethorical and not real
-to a great extend is not exclusive to only one group.
-to a fair extend appears to be exagerated

Do you have any evidence for any of this? It seems to contradict a huge amount of research on woke culture, DEI, etc. The only point I agree with is the third - everyone is under attack in different ways. There's a program for everyone.

Based on the available evidence, it seems pretty clear to me that there is a specific attack against straight white men in Western countries with an aim to demoralize Kantekkian descendants, destabilize society, generate negative emotions, and continue economic extraction.

A few sources out of countless others:

DEI, the Dispossessed Generation, and the Digital Koryos

Young white men should be furious about what has been done to them, but begging for victim status will get them nowhere

barsoom.substack.com

Clare Ellis On The “Migrant Crisis” And The Blackening Of Europe | Articles

Clare Ellis is a Scottish-born Canadian research...

vdare.com

https://www.unz.com/article/the-genocide-of-native-europeans/

Third-World Morality Is Brain-Damaged

Merry Christmas, everybody, and thank you all for pushing this Substack over the 10,000-subscriber mark!

ponerology.substack.com

All this is why Fuentes is so popular. He may not be the best spokesman for these ideas, but he's definitely symptomatic of a much larger trend of dot-connecting demographic changes, economic effects, media analysis, and historical genesis. Same with Tucker and Candace.

 

[Phill4]

As far as DEI

The answer to me is: Supply and demand.

It always seemed to me that DEI was never intended to be a long term sustainable strategy for the simple reason that incompetence is dangerous and a liability for any industry long term.

(AI is the real current replacement problem, while DEI the distraction)

If for example companies are facing a liability problem with (non white , non male) hires on one front and a performance liability on another, what companies do is simply blance out risks

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964: protects against discrimination on housing, education, employment.

Companies on paper are required to do this but will always tend to hire based on their assesed risks.

How DEI ties to migration and the replacement angle is interesting.

Elon Musk, a fake white nationalist, fake conservative, used DEI correctly, cheap labor, and high IQ, high performing individuals from india, and pandering , he covered all his bases. Because before anything he is a businessman.

(Supply and demand)


While other industries which don't require high efficiency only focus on risk management rather than perfromance liability and other industries that are caught in the storm and can't out maneuver it (female on-ground cops)


Companies operate on risk management, liability, efficiency and cost effectiveness rather than morality because it is about balancing books.


Whitewashing was the rethorical precursor to DEI but also operated under the same law of supply and demand.
(People wanted to see Rambo shoot a bunch of asians in the face) and that's what sold at the time. Trends changed since then and the market moved with it.
It worked until it didn't.
And the way that changed/friction happened was, the old corporate doctrine meeting a changing reality.

and the reason I mentioned before it was exagerated is because it appears to be a metropolis problem, not a rural problem.

You drive 30 minutes from where i live and it is fairly homogeneous in every direction ,white neigborhoods.



The other problem as i see it in america is the univeristies heavily promote, "follow your dream! dead-end careers" with astronomical tuitions and high salary demands and usury loans. That is not necessarily and uniquely aims at white males but across the board. But they cannot compete with low salary markets.

Tutition and housing are ridiculous, and career/salary/housing are pre-calculated markets




If you ask me how i think the white male is under attack primarily, i'd say family and propaganda (so they misdiagnose the problem.) Everything else appears to be in their hands.




And my evidence for the mass migration into Europe is pretty much every war Europe and the US participated in , white males serving foreing interests, focused on funding a RADICAL opposition, installed RADICAL islam in those countries and caused mass migrations, primarily into Europe.

My point is that white people actively participate in take overs around the world ( and gloat and celebrate regime change as it's happening today )
yeah, it's self sabotage.

Identity movements/politics always leave out self-accountability out of their rethorics



I read the article, which mainly concerns Europe, ( don't know enough to comment ) but as far as i can see Europe enbraced liberalism and secularism, and open market dogmas and in that vaccum of weak morality , islam, being a very strong religion is filling up that vaccum.

The religion of the west is "open markets"

It's not even about tolerance but the absence of a religious and cultural identity.
"Western values" are a fake neo conservative/liberal identity.
Europe was never about tolerance in the modern sense, not even necessarily against it. I just think the "western values" are more about expansionism and profits and that's the western religion

Americans are being brainwashed by "Monroe Doctrines" "hegemony" "open markets" messaging , totally opposed to what their founding fathers had in mind. They don't even know their identity.
So naturally any strong wind (islam/zionism) will send them flying.

All this is why Fuentes is so popular.

Delusional arrogance nontheless if he can't factor in self-awareness and self-accountability

 

[iamthatis]

As far as DEI

The answer to me is: Supply and demand.

It always seemed to me that DEI was never intended to be a long term sustainable strategy for the simple reason that incompetence is dangerous and a liability for any industry long term.

(AI is the real current replacement problem, while DEI the distraction)

If for example companies are facing a liability problem with (non white , non male) hires on one front and a performance liability on another, what companies do is simply blance out risks

Companies on paper are required to do this but will always tend to hire based on their assesed risks.

How DEI ties to migration and the replacement angle is interesting.

Elon Musk, a fake white nationalist, fake conservative, used DEI correctly, cheap labor, and high IQ, high performing individuals from india, and pandering , he covered all his bases. Because before anything he is a businessman.

(Supply and demand)


While other industries which don't require high efficiency only focus on risk management rather than perfromance liability and other industries that are caught in the storm and can't out maneuver it (female on-ground cops)


Companies operate on risk management, liability, efficiency and cost effectiveness rather than morality because it is about balancing books.


Whitewashing was the rethorical precursor to DEI but also operated under the same law of supply and demand.
(People wanted to see Rambo shoot a bunch of asians in the face) and that's what sold at the time. Trends changed since then and the market moved with it.
It worked until it didn't.
And the way that changed/friction happened was, the old corporate doctrine meeting a changing reality.

and the reason I mentioned before it was exagerated is because it appears to be a metropolis problem, not a rural problem.

You drive 30 minutes from where i live and it is fairly homogeneous in every direction ,white neigborhoods.



The other problem as i see it in america is the univeristies heavily promote, "follow your dream! dead-end careers" with astronomical tuitions and high salary demands and usury loans. That is not necessarily and uniquely aims at white males but across the board. But they cannot compete with low salary markets.

Tutition and housing are ridiculous, and career/salary/housing are pre-calculated markets




If you ask me how i think the white male is under attack primarily, i'd say family and propaganda (so they misdiagnose the problem.) Everything else appears to be in their hands.




And my evidence for the mass migration into Europe is pretty much every war Europe and the US participated in , white males serving foreing interests, focused on funding a RADICAL opposition, installed RADICAL islam in those countries and caused mass migrations, primarily into Europe.

My point is that white people actively participate in take overs around the world ( and gloat and celebrate regime change as it's happening today )
yeah, it's self sabotage.

Identity movements/politics always leave out self-accountability out of their rethorics



I read the article, which mainly concerns Europe, ( don't know enough to comment ) but as far as i can see Europe enbraced liberalism and secularism, and open market dogmas and in that vaccum of weak morality , islam, being a very strong religion is filling up that vaccum.

The religion of the west is "open markets"

It's not even about tolerance but the absence of a religious and cultural identity.
"Western values" are a fake neo conservative/liberal identity.
Europe was never about tolerance in the modern sense, not even necessarily against it. I just think the "western values" are more about expansionism and profits and that's the western religion

Americans are being brainwashed by "Monroe Doctrines" "hegemony" "open markets" messaging , totally opposed to what their founding fathers had in mind. They don't even know their identity.
So naturally any strong wind (islam/zionism) will send them flying.




Delusional arrogance nontheless if he can't factor in self-awareness and self-accountability

Sure, supply and demand is the on-paper economic justification for mass immigration. The purely demographic justification is in the UN paper entitled 'Replacement Migration'.

I think of these as the above-ground justifications. The question of why any of this is needed - why are fertility rates are down in the West? It can be explained in a non-social-engineering way by highlighting the normal increase in cost of living and having kids in affluent societies. But that ignores the effects of the sexual revolution and feminism on the concept of family, as well as technology increasing isolation, and the fact that real wages have stagnated since forever ago.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but the C's recommended The Controversy of Zion, which outlines the basic premise of Judaism, or the egregore of Yahweh - to enter into goy countries and destroy them as proof of faith and religious duty.

Kevin MacDonald's series outlining Jewish degenerative influence on Western culture (including immigration policy), gives a geneaology of the woke mind virus, which includes mass immigration as one of its main platforms - and also sexual revolution and feminism. Though it's not just Jews, it's also the CIA, shadowy globalist groups, probably undergrounders, etc.

Mass migration is known to be a tool of social disruption, described by Prouty in his account of Vietnam, and also in the book Weapons of Mass Migration.

In this context, I think we can reasonably infer that, aside from these above-ground justifications, the disruptive social ramifications of mass immigration and woke policies in general were not just well-known, but intended by the architects. That includes the effects of the GWOT - destruction and disruption overseas, foreign aid for puppet regimes, and influx waves of refugess that included terrorists, criminals, and also psychologically normal people. It's not like they rolled out these policies and went, 'Dang, we were just trying to fix everything, and now it seems Western civilization is going down the tubes!'

The playbook also includes playing off left-wing vs right wing, black vs white, male vs female, etc., to capture everyone in mind traps and generate loosh.

In that sense, you're also right that many whites in the West are clueless, and in response to the attacks on them, they have been riled up. Some are in the midst of a process of true awakening. Others are clinging to any stable ready-made narratives around them. In the US, that could look like cheering on Team America World Police, reimagining Hitler/Franco/Pinochet as misunderstood heroes, flocking like sheep to their daily Sunday indoctrination session, and basically wanting to go back to the good ol' days of a high American standard of living without any idea about the cost to the rest of the world, or themselves. The PTB coordinate the attack, and then channel the response. None of that invalidates the fact that they're being attacked, though.

Anyways, is it all self-inflicted? To my eye, that's kinda like saying that all the Russians who were subject to communist repression all brought it on themselves. Seems like an oversimplification to me.