NSA Whistleblower Ed Snowden: Saddam Hussein did WTC 7
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What the heck?? 
I don't believe a single word out of the mouth of this "snow man" puppet.
And further more how exactly "is he" able to leak or get all this information "wich he can (or is allowed to) publish so freely"?
Julian Assange 2.0 redux...
IMO nothing that is promoted and leaked so widely in the mainsteam, isn't controlled and handled exactly the way the PTB want it to be.
It stinks to high heaven to me...
I don't believe a single word out of the mouth of this "snow man" puppet.
And further more how exactly "is he" able to leak or get all this information "wich he can (or is allowed to) publish so freely"?
Julian Assange 2.0 redux...
IMO nothing that is promoted and leaked so widely in the mainsteam, isn't controlled and handled exactly the way the PTB want it to be.
It stinks to high heaven to me...
United Gnosis
Jedi Council Member
Doesn't matter if its a fake account or not. The damage is done. If you saw fit to share this - even only as a criticism of the Snowden schtick - imagine how many undiscerning wannabe tinfoil-type people, a strain that has recently been exploding exponentially, understandable in the circumstances, will be swallowingthis hook, line and sinker.
It doesn't make aby sense geopolotically, is still based on the initial lie but offers a kind of ret-conned (hindsight-engineered) plausible deniability by attempting to fill major plot holes. It does open up even more gaping holes, though, but I'm sure the goal of such an account is to provide damage-control by misleading the masses who suspect somethingis wrong but lack enough Knowledge to see the big picture.
It doesn't make aby sense geopolotically, is still based on the initial lie but offers a kind of ret-conned (hindsight-engineered) plausible deniability by attempting to fill major plot holes. It does open up even more gaping holes, though, but I'm sure the goal of such an account is to provide damage-control by misleading the masses who suspect somethingis wrong but lack enough Knowledge to see the big picture.
United Gnosis said:
I've also noticed the trend mentioned above occurring more than ever lately. It has always occurred to some extent obviously, but since I've returned to Facebook 2 weeks ago after a 2 month absence, it seems that many, many people (and groups) have been falling into the trap of believing/reposting/preaching nonsense more than ever before, in my recollection. Usually a pretty picture with captions designed to hook emotions, or highly biased articles, unverifiable sources, statistics, etc. I respond to those who I feel genuinely wish to receive feedback, but mostly I've had to bite my lip out of external consideration so many times I've lost count recently.
Not sure that I know how to put it in the rights words, what I've been observing, and I've surely been guilty of same so many times as well in my life (so who am I to speak out about it?), but the speed at which the trend has been accelerating recently causes me concern. It just feels different from before, like disinfo version 2.0 beta or some such. A big FWIW around all of these comments, as my mind isn't all that clear these days - but that's almost what bothers me even more about noticing it so obviously, from so many sources that generally are more discerning (and some that never were, but are now hooked more easily than ever before). Or so it seems, just my opinion.
United Gnosis
Jedi Council Member
I see it as a time of disintegration. I don't remember if it is a work analogy or something I read here on the forums, but it makes simple sense.
Take a gyroscope, a simple top. Chip off a small chunk. Make it spin. It should stand, but will wobble. Make it spin even faster. It will start wobbling violently. If you spin it even faster, it might rip off its axis, or simply split along microfissures and explode in a massive release of kinetic energy (look up catastrophic failure modes of flywheels).
Basically, every person is a top, and very few are centered. Most are unbalanced or carry hidden/not-so-hidden fractures. As the world spins them faster and faster, they lose control and fail in myriad ways.
In futurist terms, we are in the early phases of the singularity. An overwhelming fraction of humans shuffle along in a state of future shock. They have no way to keep up with the ever-increasing rate of fundamental paradigm shifts, therefore face very difficult odds in the deep waters of the disinfo war.
Take a gyroscope, a simple top. Chip off a small chunk. Make it spin. It should stand, but will wobble. Make it spin even faster. It will start wobbling violently. If you spin it even faster, it might rip off its axis, or simply split along microfissures and explode in a massive release of kinetic energy (look up catastrophic failure modes of flywheels).
Basically, every person is a top, and very few are centered. Most are unbalanced or carry hidden/not-so-hidden fractures. As the world spins them faster and faster, they lose control and fail in myriad ways.
In futurist terms, we are in the early phases of the singularity. An overwhelming fraction of humans shuffle along in a state of future shock. They have no way to keep up with the ever-increasing rate of fundamental paradigm shifts, therefore face very difficult odds in the deep waters of the disinfo war.
Thank you UG, yes I believe those are the words I could not find. I will consider them to myself as well, as I know I am no exception to such a phenomenon. I also have the Splitting thread queued up for when I have time and proper state of mind to read and absorb, my gut instincts tell me there is likely some very valuable information in there towards understanding what is happening.
Leòmhann
Jedi Master
Tomek, thanks for posting this.
Upon reading just a portion of your posting, transparency is increasing more and more: he's being allowed to do what he's doing to "leak" deliberate disinfo/misinfo.
Niall, Joe, and author A.M. all provide excellent data points and cases for the fact that genuine whistleblowers can no longer exist.
As far as Snowden is concerned, up until recently, he really wasn't telling us anything new (and what he's now telling isn't new to those of us with accurate data and knowledge - it's false knowledge). IMHO, this is probably one of the most important functions he is tasked with.
Niall Bradley (from his excellent SoTT article "PRISM for your Mind: NSA, WikiLeaks and Israel")
[_http://www.sott.net/article/262928-PRISM-for-your-Mind-NSA-WikiLeaks-and-Israel]:
"So what does Snowden really reveal to us now, after at least three other NSA whistleblowers [_http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/] came before him post-9/11 to say essentially the same thing?
The value of his information isn't in the documents themselves, but in the decision that was taken to give the 'leaks' widespread coverage." [emphasis mine]
Joe Quinn, at the end of Niall's article, provides this great point in his commentary titled "NSA No Good at wiretapping"
[_http://www.sott.net/article/262928-PRISM-for-your-Mind-NSA-WikiLeaks-and-Israel#comment86835]:
"Does no one see the contradiction here? We're being asked to be cowed by the 'revelations' that the NSA etc. are in possession of a behemoth, all-seeing system that can monitor the electronic communications of just about everybody, YET, they were unable to figure out that one of their own was planning, for many months, to spill the beans on said behemoth system? Surely the NSA, being as paranoid as to keep tabs on mom and pop America, would also have had the gumption to keep an eye on their own employees with access to sensitive information? Apparently not though, so...apparently, they're not very good at the eavesdropping game. Otherwise, we must conclude that someone, somewhere high up in the NSA was not too concerned, or even sanctioned, Snowdon's exposé. For what purpose? Seems to me that the direct result of these revelations is to inform the global public that all of their online activities are being watched. I can see how many people who, until now, may have been freely expressing anti-govt. views on FB, websites, blogs etc. may now fear that such activities may be producing an NSA 'file' on them, and may result in a knock on the door from suited types.
But, as Niall has stated, the motivation behind this massive data gathering operation that has been ongoing for decades, can most likely be found in the fundamental difference between psychopaths and normal human beings; psychopaths being unable to understand normal humanity and what makes them 'tick', opt for massive data gathering and attempts to psychologically corral the normies in an effort to control that which they do not and cannot ever understand." [emphasis mine]
Similarly, author A.M., in the SoTT article titled "Why real whistleblowers can no longer exist" [_http://www.sott.net/article/263528-Why-real-whistleblowers-can-no-longer-exist], states the following:
"Edward Snowden is either consciously playing his part in a deliberate intelligence psy-op to erect a smokescreen about what is really going on, or he has been unwittingly set up by his masters [_http://www.sott.net/article/262928-PRISM-for-your-Mind-NSA-WikiLeaks-and-Israel] to do this. (The latter is the most likely). One cannot pull a fast one on these people. They know everything and can track everything, since decades ago [http://www.sott.net/article/263077-Somebodys-listening-How-the-NSA-GCHQ-Germany-and-China-have-spent-decades-working-together-to-spy-on-the-whole-world], and only allow things to become public that they approve of [_http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-cohen/iraq-war-media_b_2921273.html].
They plainly wanted the world to know about PRISM and all that stuff. It works like a kind of bloodletting, to make the public think they still have some say in the running of this thing we call life on Earth, when the exact opposite is the case. They create the leak, sit back and watch the outrage, then some government committee is set up to investigate. Then that committee (which is stuffed full of stooges to make sure it doesn't have teeth) takes a year to carry out its task - after which time most people have forgotten what the fuss was all about. Then the committee finds that certain irregularities have taken place which will be sorted out with some token legislation."
Also, I've pointed out in some commentary here [_http://www.sott.net/article/263732-Gases-to-be-dispersed-across-New-York-subway-stations-as-part-of-drill#comment87927] that Jon Rappoport, in his recent article titled "Matrix: Who is Edward Snowden?" [_http://www.sott.net/article/263777-Matrix-Who-is-Edward-Snowden] raises interesting questions regarding Snowden's possible role regarding PTB factional infighting:
'Jon Rappoport similarly talks more about corporatocracy and its tools (don't get trapped into one-way thinking, by the way, e.g., either the NSA is the major evil nasty sucking off the financial system, or the latter is using the former while making it seem the other way around) recently here [Link].
While the author hits on important and compelling data points not to be overlooked and writes some fascinating observations that can really go a long way toward helping us grasp what is really going on behind the scenes, Niall, in his comment at the end of this piece, is correct in stating that even though we have factional in-fighting (turf wars), whether the players are designated as govt or private (corporate), in the end, they all play on the same team (and Jon makes a similar observation below in terms of the outcome being the same).
I really like this part of Rappoport's article:
"In real life, whether the prime criminal source is one monster corporation or the NSA itself, the outcome would be the same.
Total surveillance has unlimited payoffs when it targets financial markets and the people who have intimate knowledge of them.
"Total security awareness" programs of surveillance are ideal spying ops in the financial arena, designed to grab millions of bits of inside information, and then utilize them to make investments and suck up billions (trillions?) of dollars.
It gives new meaning to "the rich get richer."
Previously, we thought we needed to look over the shoulders of the men who were committing major financial crimes out of public view. But now, if we want to be up to date, we also have to factor in the men who are spying on those criminals, who are gathering up those secrets and using them to commit their own brand of meta-crime.
And in the financial arena, that means we think of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan as perpetrators, yes, but we also think about the NSA men who already know everything about GS and Morgan, and are using this knowledge to steal sums that might make GS and Morgan blush with envy.
Goldman Sachs, Chase, and Morgan consider trillion-dollar trading markets their own private golden-egg farm. They run it, they own it, they manipulate it for their own ends.
If NSA has been looking over their shoulders for the past 30 years, discovering all their knowledge, and operating a meta invasion, siphoning off enormous profits, NSA would rate as Enemy Number One.
And would need to be torpedoed.
Enter Ed Snowden.
Finally, we need to understand what NSA and other agencies are doing, are really doing in their ongoing creation of the Surveillance State.
Number one, they're technocrats who are ultimately Globalists, in sheep's clothing. Their tracking of every human on Earth is designed to morph into a system for distribution of goods and services from a central control point. To the whole planet. In this system, a human is a unit, a data point that surrenders to a set of ruling algorithms.
And number two, they're trying to create a single universal mind. Which is to say, the flattening and reducing of human thought down to manageable parameters of conformity and sameness.
Surveillance itself tends to achieve this over time, because when people know they are being watched and evaluated, they simplify their mental processes. They avoid many subjects, they avoid controversy, they express fewer ideas, they monitor their own responses.
Surveillance tacitly encourages a limited range of thought in which all people participate. You wind up with one cookbook of recipes for the human condition. People make the same meals. The meals taste the same. Everybody eats the same thing.
So far, the revelations of Edward Snowden have done nothing to stop the juggernaut. No major hearings to expose the overall Surveillance State are scheduled.
The NSA could take a hit, but that means nothing in the long run.
In this sense, what Snowden has exposed could be called a limited hangout. A way to let a little steam off, a way to avoid the deeper issues.
The true wild card in the op to lock down the planet is, as always, the free individual. The individual who takes his own freedom. The individual who creates something unexpected, something that can't be predicted by any system.
The individual who finds himself in the middle of the labyrinth and suddenly has a lawnmower and cuts a new path out.
Some people think that's Snowden.
Is it?
Whatever you believe, the idea that individuals - rather than groups and collectives - can achieve shattering breakthroughs is exactly what the Surveillance State is trying to destroy."'[emphasis mine]
(Of course, we would argue that an individual as a part of a network - and one that is STO oriented like ours - is even less desirable to the PTB factions...) :)
Upon reading just a portion of your posting, transparency is increasing more and more: he's being allowed to do what he's doing to "leak" deliberate disinfo/misinfo.
Niall, Joe, and author A.M. all provide excellent data points and cases for the fact that genuine whistleblowers can no longer exist.
As far as Snowden is concerned, up until recently, he really wasn't telling us anything new (and what he's now telling isn't new to those of us with accurate data and knowledge - it's false knowledge). IMHO, this is probably one of the most important functions he is tasked with.
Niall Bradley (from his excellent SoTT article "PRISM for your Mind: NSA, WikiLeaks and Israel")
[_http://www.sott.net/article/262928-PRISM-for-your-Mind-NSA-WikiLeaks-and-Israel]:
"So what does Snowden really reveal to us now, after at least three other NSA whistleblowers [_http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/] came before him post-9/11 to say essentially the same thing?
The value of his information isn't in the documents themselves, but in the decision that was taken to give the 'leaks' widespread coverage." [emphasis mine]
Joe Quinn, at the end of Niall's article, provides this great point in his commentary titled "NSA No Good at wiretapping"
[_http://www.sott.net/article/262928-PRISM-for-your-Mind-NSA-WikiLeaks-and-Israel#comment86835]:
"Does no one see the contradiction here? We're being asked to be cowed by the 'revelations' that the NSA etc. are in possession of a behemoth, all-seeing system that can monitor the electronic communications of just about everybody, YET, they were unable to figure out that one of their own was planning, for many months, to spill the beans on said behemoth system? Surely the NSA, being as paranoid as to keep tabs on mom and pop America, would also have had the gumption to keep an eye on their own employees with access to sensitive information? Apparently not though, so...apparently, they're not very good at the eavesdropping game. Otherwise, we must conclude that someone, somewhere high up in the NSA was not too concerned, or even sanctioned, Snowdon's exposé. For what purpose? Seems to me that the direct result of these revelations is to inform the global public that all of their online activities are being watched. I can see how many people who, until now, may have been freely expressing anti-govt. views on FB, websites, blogs etc. may now fear that such activities may be producing an NSA 'file' on them, and may result in a knock on the door from suited types.
But, as Niall has stated, the motivation behind this massive data gathering operation that has been ongoing for decades, can most likely be found in the fundamental difference between psychopaths and normal human beings; psychopaths being unable to understand normal humanity and what makes them 'tick', opt for massive data gathering and attempts to psychologically corral the normies in an effort to control that which they do not and cannot ever understand." [emphasis mine]
Similarly, author A.M., in the SoTT article titled "Why real whistleblowers can no longer exist" [_http://www.sott.net/article/263528-Why-real-whistleblowers-can-no-longer-exist], states the following:
"Edward Snowden is either consciously playing his part in a deliberate intelligence psy-op to erect a smokescreen about what is really going on, or he has been unwittingly set up by his masters [_http://www.sott.net/article/262928-PRISM-for-your-Mind-NSA-WikiLeaks-and-Israel] to do this. (The latter is the most likely). One cannot pull a fast one on these people. They know everything and can track everything, since decades ago [http://www.sott.net/article/263077-Somebodys-listening-How-the-NSA-GCHQ-Germany-and-China-have-spent-decades-working-together-to-spy-on-the-whole-world], and only allow things to become public that they approve of [_http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-cohen/iraq-war-media_b_2921273.html].
They plainly wanted the world to know about PRISM and all that stuff. It works like a kind of bloodletting, to make the public think they still have some say in the running of this thing we call life on Earth, when the exact opposite is the case. They create the leak, sit back and watch the outrage, then some government committee is set up to investigate. Then that committee (which is stuffed full of stooges to make sure it doesn't have teeth) takes a year to carry out its task - after which time most people have forgotten what the fuss was all about. Then the committee finds that certain irregularities have taken place which will be sorted out with some token legislation."
Also, I've pointed out in some commentary here [_http://www.sott.net/article/263732-Gases-to-be-dispersed-across-New-York-subway-stations-as-part-of-drill#comment87927] that Jon Rappoport, in his recent article titled "Matrix: Who is Edward Snowden?" [_http://www.sott.net/article/263777-Matrix-Who-is-Edward-Snowden] raises interesting questions regarding Snowden's possible role regarding PTB factional infighting:
'Jon Rappoport similarly talks more about corporatocracy and its tools (don't get trapped into one-way thinking, by the way, e.g., either the NSA is the major evil nasty sucking off the financial system, or the latter is using the former while making it seem the other way around) recently here [Link].
While the author hits on important and compelling data points not to be overlooked and writes some fascinating observations that can really go a long way toward helping us grasp what is really going on behind the scenes, Niall, in his comment at the end of this piece, is correct in stating that even though we have factional in-fighting (turf wars), whether the players are designated as govt or private (corporate), in the end, they all play on the same team (and Jon makes a similar observation below in terms of the outcome being the same).
I really like this part of Rappoport's article:
"In real life, whether the prime criminal source is one monster corporation or the NSA itself, the outcome would be the same.
Total surveillance has unlimited payoffs when it targets financial markets and the people who have intimate knowledge of them.
"Total security awareness" programs of surveillance are ideal spying ops in the financial arena, designed to grab millions of bits of inside information, and then utilize them to make investments and suck up billions (trillions?) of dollars.
It gives new meaning to "the rich get richer."
Previously, we thought we needed to look over the shoulders of the men who were committing major financial crimes out of public view. But now, if we want to be up to date, we also have to factor in the men who are spying on those criminals, who are gathering up those secrets and using them to commit their own brand of meta-crime.
And in the financial arena, that means we think of Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan as perpetrators, yes, but we also think about the NSA men who already know everything about GS and Morgan, and are using this knowledge to steal sums that might make GS and Morgan blush with envy.
Goldman Sachs, Chase, and Morgan consider trillion-dollar trading markets their own private golden-egg farm. They run it, they own it, they manipulate it for their own ends.
If NSA has been looking over their shoulders for the past 30 years, discovering all their knowledge, and operating a meta invasion, siphoning off enormous profits, NSA would rate as Enemy Number One.
And would need to be torpedoed.
Enter Ed Snowden.
Finally, we need to understand what NSA and other agencies are doing, are really doing in their ongoing creation of the Surveillance State.
Number one, they're technocrats who are ultimately Globalists, in sheep's clothing. Their tracking of every human on Earth is designed to morph into a system for distribution of goods and services from a central control point. To the whole planet. In this system, a human is a unit, a data point that surrenders to a set of ruling algorithms.
And number two, they're trying to create a single universal mind. Which is to say, the flattening and reducing of human thought down to manageable parameters of conformity and sameness.
Surveillance itself tends to achieve this over time, because when people know they are being watched and evaluated, they simplify their mental processes. They avoid many subjects, they avoid controversy, they express fewer ideas, they monitor their own responses.
Surveillance tacitly encourages a limited range of thought in which all people participate. You wind up with one cookbook of recipes for the human condition. People make the same meals. The meals taste the same. Everybody eats the same thing.
So far, the revelations of Edward Snowden have done nothing to stop the juggernaut. No major hearings to expose the overall Surveillance State are scheduled.
The NSA could take a hit, but that means nothing in the long run.
In this sense, what Snowden has exposed could be called a limited hangout. A way to let a little steam off, a way to avoid the deeper issues.
The true wild card in the op to lock down the planet is, as always, the free individual. The individual who takes his own freedom. The individual who creates something unexpected, something that can't be predicted by any system.
The individual who finds himself in the middle of the labyrinth and suddenly has a lawnmower and cuts a new path out.
Some people think that's Snowden.
Is it?
Whatever you believe, the idea that individuals - rather than groups and collectives - can achieve shattering breakthroughs is exactly what the Surveillance State is trying to destroy."'[emphasis mine]
(Of course, we would argue that an individual as a part of a network - and one that is STO oriented like ours - is even less desirable to the PTB factions...) :)
Leòmhann
Jedi Master
Yep, this "leak" was a spoof (did further research), but the interesting point which still remains is that, regardless of what Snowden says, we should realize and keep in mind one of the benefits he provides for his taskmasters in the PTB, and his demonization on the world stage underscores this, is to provide a credible disinfo/misinfo conduit or channel.
Just as Wikileaks and Assange are a supposed nemesis of the PTB and are therefore praised by so many considering themselves to be 'in the know' and defenders of truth, Snowden fills a similar role; but given that he was more an insider (at least, portrayed as such), he has more potential credibility and therefore carries the potential of inflicting even greater damage upon public knowledge in terms of injecting and/or cementing lies the PTB wish us to believe.
Therefore, it becomes even more important to realize whatever he says is suspect...
Just as Wikileaks and Assange are a supposed nemesis of the PTB and are therefore praised by so many considering themselves to be 'in the know' and defenders of truth, Snowden fills a similar role; but given that he was more an insider (at least, portrayed as such), he has more potential credibility and therefore carries the potential of inflicting even greater damage upon public knowledge in terms of injecting and/or cementing lies the PTB wish us to believe.
Therefore, it becomes even more important to realize whatever he says is suspect...
sairie
Jedi Master
Leòmhann said:
I agree with this viewpoint that genuine "whistleblowers" can no longer exist given the nature of our global surveillance state. It is a way for the PTB to give out new and dubious information to the masses through one of their own lackeys, so to speak, who then can supply the public with "the good gospel"; giving a reminder to the sock puppets to watch their p's and q's or face blackmail if they should ever slip up or do not play the way they want; to invoke support, reinforcement of the control and lie language; to build legitimacy for the existing system of lies; and, on top of this, to create an outlet for new lies and controls.
