Nutopia

[Mr. Premise]

I agree with Guardian's take on this. I should add that Galen is an old college buddy of mine and I've known him for more than thirty years. I know he's worked really hard in the 911 truth movement to wake people up to that truth. I also know that he gets ponerology, psychopathy and the pathocracy more than a lot of people in those circles. I also think he is honest and sincere and definitely not out to make money. He was a successful corporate guy until he retired early in his forties to devote himself to activism full time. Since then he lives in a room in a house he bought 30 years ago, renting out the other rooms and drives an old beat-up car. At least this was true the last time I saw him 3 years ago.

That said, I think, since he has gifts and is one of those people with a large network, that he has been vectored a few times (at least). I think he way overestimates his own resistance to that kind of thing. I also don't think he would want to enter into Gurdjieff-type Work and all that entails for getting rid of self-importance.

FWIW

Received the following email this morning.

Dear friends and allies, i hope this note finds you well and in good spirits. This message is being sent to people of conscience to announce the upcoming global gathering in Vilcabamba, Ecuador: Nutopia... It’s Now Now... or Never Ever! ...an Aquarian Gathering of the Rainbow Warriors... 10.20.2010.

This international conference focusing on the Shift of Consciousness in progress is conceptualized as a forum to discuss the global situation as it is and the imperative to organize and act now to manifest a world of peace and prosperity for all.
:O

While I agree that their choice of names for their conference is unfortunate (and hysterically funny) the majority of these folks are good people who want to "do something" .... they just don't know what to do. On the whole, they're intelligent, caring people at the point where they can see all that is wrong in the world, and still believe they can "fix it" somehow. I can remember when I still believed we had a chance to change the world without massive death and destruction...a little one....but still a chance. It's a desire that dies hard.

I don't know Galen except by reputation (he's on the West Coast) but over the years it appears he's tried everything he can think of to wake people up ...at great cost to himself. Rainbows want to be "awake and aware" too and are searching for answers in the dark.

I think the FOTCM has much more in common with some of the Rainbows than you might know. They try to focus on changing themselves through study and supportive, reflective interactions with others. Detox and healthy living are emphasized. Many of them would make great allies, perhaps even co-workers, because we essentially want the same thing for humanity. They have one heck of a network already in place...who knows what could happen IF we had the time.

 

[StrangeCaptain]

I think the FOTCM has much more in common with some of the Rainbows than you might know.

I am curious about who you are calling a Rainbow. Is it a member of a particular organisation or somebody within some roughly defined social movement or what? I ask because I have known people who would call themselves that, and I am wondering if it is the same type of movement that I have been exposed to. Thanks.

 

[hnd]

quote from Guardian:

While I agree that their choice of names for their conference is unfortunate (and hysterically funny) the majority of these folks are good people who want to "do something"

I also thought it was an unfortunate choice. Then, I read this ( source: Wikipedia ) and thought it is a kind of homage to Lennon.

On April Fool's Day 1973, John and Yoko introduced the conceptual country of Nutopia at a press conference in New York City. The Lennons were ambassadors of the country and sought (creatively, though unsuccessfully) diplomatic immunity to end Lennon's ongoing immigration troubles, as he and Ono tried to remain in the United States. (Ono already had a Resident Alien "green card" through her previous husband, Tony Cox. Lennon had been denied permanent residence status.) John talked about the imaginary country, which would live up to the ideals of his song "Imagine", saying this in the "official" declaration:

We announce the birth of a conceptual country, NUTOPIA. Citizenship of the country can be obtained by declaration of your awareness of NUTOPIA. NUTOPIA has no land, no boundaries, no passports, only people. NUTOPIA has no laws other than cosmic. All people of NUTOPIA are ambassadors of the country. As two ambassadors of NUTOPIA, we ask for diplomatic immunity and recognition in the United Nations of our country and its people.[1]

The flag of Nutopia has only one colour: white. Some criticised this association with surrender, but Lennon and Ono defended that association, saying that only through surrender and compromise can peace be achieved.

I have no idea about the organization having only read the comments shared in this thread,but assuming that they are sincere about doing something, it is more unfortunate if they are trapped in some kind of self calming.

 

[Mona]

Maybe the main point of this conference/gathering is to attract the biggest/most talented nuts in the new age community.

 

[Guardian]

Maybe the main point of this conference/gathering is to attract the biggest/most talented nuts in the new age community.

I think that's doubtful due to the fact that it's free. The "biggest/most talented nuts in the new age community" are usually attracted by big money. I don't think this conference looks like it's designed by and/or for psychopaths because there's no immediate payoff AND they'd have to come on their own nickle.


Of course there will be predators there, especially sexual predators, but it's next to impossible to keep all of them out of a public event of any kind. All you can do is boot them once you spot them.

 

[Guardian]

I agree with Guardian's take on this. I should add that Galen is an old college buddy of mine and I've known him for more than thirty years. I know he's worked really hard in the 911 truth movement to wake people up to that truth. I also know that he gets ponerology, psychopathy and the pathocracy more than a lot of people in those circles. I also think he is honest and sincere and definitely not out to make money. He was a successful corporate guy until he retired early in his forties to devote himself to activism full time. Since then he lives in a room in a house he bought 30 years ago, renting out the other rooms and drives an old beat-up car. At least this was true the last time I saw him 3 years ago.

That said, I think, since he has gifts and is one of those people with a large network, that he has been vectored a few times (at least). I think he way overestimates his own resistance to that kind of thing. I also don't think he would want to enter into Gurdjieff-type Work and all that entails for getting rid of self-importance.

That's a shame...but then again a lot can happen to a person in 3 years. Believe it or not, I've been known to walk around way more tickled with myself than anyone has the right to be too....more than once, and not all that long ago.

Some outwardly appearing egotistical leaders actually know it's all bluster...a defense mechanism in a world gone mad. Then there are those who really believe they're important...but they're fairly easy to spot once they're in an environment where they don't need to put on a carefully contrived ego state like a suit of armor.

You know the man and I don't, but I'm hoping he's changed since you last saw him...or at least wants to.

 

[Guardian]

I am curious about who you are calling a Rainbow. Is it a member of a particular organisation or somebody within some roughly defined social movement or what?

"Roughly defined social movement" is an excellent description for the Rainbow Gathering folks. They're an extremely diverse bunch without any clearly defined organizational structure. Basically I think they represent a collection of common interests without a preferred method of achieving self awareness, enlightenment, justice, etc. Everyone is on their own path, and occasionally they get together to talk about it.

 

[Lauranimal]

I think it could be very interesting to expose this group to EE and the concepts behind FOTCM. Laura could even give a virtual lecture at the event; via satellite or pre-recorded. Satellite would allow you to take questions... almost like a webinar of sorts.

 

[Guardian]

I also thought it was an unfortunate choice. Then, I read this ( source: Wikipedia ) and thought it is a kind of homage to Lennon.

Interesting! Thank you hnd, I had no idea the name might have such an association for them. I should have googled. :)

 

[Guardian]

I think it could be very interesting to expose this group to EE and the concepts behind FOTCM. Laura could even give a virtual lecture at the event; via satellite or pre-recorded. Satellite would allow you to take questions... almost like a webinar of sorts.

That's an interesting idea, although I'm not sure they will have access to computers, or even electricity at the event in Ecuador? Most Rainbow Gatherings take place in forests or other natural settings...but this one could be different? It's been a longggg time since I've been to a Rainbow Gathering. They could be holding them at a Holiday Inn these days for all I know?

 

[Tigersoap]

With such a named convention, I would not be surprised if there are more squirrels gathering over there than humans ;)

As I did not know about this there is the Nutopia speech by John Lennon :

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX8gfDJRBDs

 

[foofighter]

Well... FWIW, the word "galen" in Swedish means literally "crazy". Oh well.

 

[Avi]

Well I think it is an unfortunate choice to announce the land of Nutopia on April Fools Day.

On a quick side-note, FEMA was "launched" on April Fools' 1979.

quote from Guardian:

While I agree that their choice of names for their conference is unfortunate (and hysterically funny) the majority of these folks are good people who want to "do something"

I also thought it was an unfortunate choice. Then, I read this ( source: Wikipedia ) and thought it is a kind of homage to Lennon.

On April Fool's Day 1973, John and Yoko introduced the conceptual country of Nutopia at a press conference in New York City. The Lennons were ambassadors of the country and sought (creatively, though unsuccessfully) diplomatic immunity to end Lennon's ongoing immigration troubles, as he and Ono tried to remain in the United States. (Ono already had a Resident Alien "green card" through her previous husband, Tony Cox. Lennon had been denied permanent residence status.) John talked about the imaginary country, which would live up to the ideals of his song "Imagine", saying this in the "official" declaration:

We announce the birth of a conceptual country, NUTOPIA. Citizenship of the country can be obtained by declaration of your awareness of NUTOPIA. NUTOPIA has no land, no boundaries, no passports, only people. NUTOPIA has no laws other than cosmic. All people of NUTOPIA are ambassadors of the country. As two ambassadors of NUTOPIA, we ask for diplomatic immunity and recognition in the United Nations of our country and its people.[1]

The flag of Nutopia has only one colour: white. Some criticised this association with surrender, but Lennon and Ono defended that association, saying that only through surrender and compromise can peace be achieved.

I have no idea about the organization having only read the comments shared in this thread,but assuming that they are sincere about doing something, it is more unfortunate if they are trapped in some kind of self calming.

 

[Gertrudes]

I think it could be very interesting to expose this group to EE and the concepts behind FOTCM. Laura could even give a virtual lecture at the event; via satellite or pre-recorded. Satellite would allow you to take questions... almost like a webinar of sorts.

That's an interesting idea, although I'm not sure they will have access to computers, or even electricity at the event in Ecuador? Most Rainbow Gatherings take place in forests or other natural settings...but this one could be different? It's been a longggg time since I've been to a Rainbow Gathering. They could be holding them at a Holiday Inn these days for all I know?

Rainbow was ringing a bell in my mind since you first mentioned and now it clicked.
There were quite a few gatherings a couple of years ago in Portugal, I think late 90s early 2000. I almost went to one but for external reasons ended up not going. My brother used to go, as well as another friend of mine who described it to me as a gathering in Eden.
They would choose almost inaccessible places, you'd have to climb a hill or walk through some very rustic path. No cars, mobile phones or technology of any sort allowed. For some reason, at the time, I understood from their description that it was sort of an hippie gathering.

 

[dannybananny]

I think it could be very interesting to expose this group to EE and the concepts behind FOTCM. Laura could even give a virtual lecture at the event; via satellite or pre-recorded. Satellite would allow you to take questions... almost like a webinar of sorts.

I think that that's thinking way in the future, we don't know if they will accept it and didn't C's said that meditation is a tool and what's the use of it if you fill yourself with something that will lead you astray when you empty yourself. It's worth of try at least but it sounds like New Age, they want rain without thunder and lightning.

The flag of Nutopia has only one colour: white. Some criticised this association with surrender, but Lennon and Ono defended that association, saying that only through surrender and compromise can peace be achieved.

Don't think it can be achieved in STS world, for psychos that's peace for sure when you turn your head around. That's like you want to make compromise with hungry lion that's always hungry and stalking.