Observing People Dealing With Stress

nortkee said:
Wow, that's pretty wild.

I'm no medical professional, but from what I understand, seizures can be pretty physically exhausting (not to mention emotionally/mentally, especially if it comes out of nowhere), and combined with the fact she was in the hospital so late I genuinely cannot imagine doing anything at all the following day, let alone attending a potentially physically demanding massage course.

Everything about this situation is, as you said, fascinating. The various ways people responded, the disinterested spouse, the way Meg just seemed to carry on as normal without any disruption in her routine... it all adds up to a pretty strange confluence of events.

Definitely gives me "we live in a simulation" vibes -- how everyone just acted so blasé and moved on with life after a pretty disruptive event.
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several red flags come up for me -
I feel any professional whether in the hospital or doctor would advise the following to someone who has had a seizure ,even if minor-
-Seizures can cause lingering symptoms that last less than an hour to days. You may develop various symptoms after a seizure is over, such as headache, fatigue, or mood changes.
It’s generally a good idea to take it easy after your seizure until you feel better. If possible, you may find it helpful to lie down in a relaxing space and avoid strenuous mental or physical activities.-

clearly imo she seems to be not fully aknowledging what has happened and has gone into a distraction patttern ,maybe I m wrong but the fact shes doing out doing some massage course the day after rings alarm bells for me !

the fact that she didnt respond to your email that detailed the whole event could signify some denial -maybe imo.

Well done KTC for being there and taking full responsibility for that situation
its prompted me to enrol on some free first aid courses as a refresher for these types of scenarios -ive done some a few years back so it will be good to refresh my skills in that area !
 
@KTC What a complicated yet enlightening situation to pay attention to, I guess more things will continue to come up. I think it is clear that Ms. Meg has a lot of issues and that some students in their class need more additional training than her courses offer, could it be that you require a prerequisite in first aid, sometimes the Red Cross offers these courses, I took one, it is instructive, short and is very enlightening.
My experience with pilates classes has been for years, not as instruction, and I realize that each time the level is detrimental to the point that I had to stop because it seems that it has become a kind of gym type competition with weights, the character of pilates in providing help has changed to that of fashion-aesthetics, then this speaks to the type of person who is interested and what they are looking to learn, something you could refocus on.
With accidents, most people in those situations are very used to looking for leaders or someone to tell them what to do and how (knowledge) and on the other hand in a situation like that, you have to count on the fact that there are a lot of OP's that are usually in the way or can't be counted on, some time ago I lived a situation similar to an epilepsy (intoxication) and I was in another country so I had to fight not to lose consciousness, look for help, an ambulance, paramedics etc, fortunately a couple of people helped me but the rest just watched or ignored, and then it was two days in the hospital. So I suspect that Mrs. Meg must be having a very bad time psychologically (Stress) and that she needs help.
Thank you for sharing and making me-us aware to anticipate that at any moment something could happen.
 
KTC said:
I am seeing that ppl are more and more susceptible to breaking emotionally.
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Thanks for sharing. I agree it's educational. Was wondering what made you think "more and more susceptible" and does that mean individuals trending that way today, or the whole population over time? My first thought was that this is a mix of reactions, but I'm not sure when, in living memory it might have been different.
 
Wow again.

So you have a seizure, spend the day in hospital and then keep on going the next day like nothing happened and not interested in exploring the event… ? weird! I would have hoped that someone standing around would have at least got out their phone to film me so I can watch it, people do that, which is also really weird, but probably helpful, at least they’re documenting some evidence that might be helpful later on.

It’s fairly common that people leave their health conditions until it’s dire, waiting until they’re debilitated in some way and can’t keep doing what they usually do, the old head in the butt technique which it pretty much just a way to self soothe and dissociate. Giving attention to confronting situations and finding out there might be something seriously wrong means that we might have to change, people don’t like change, it also challenges emotions and perceptions, people don’t like that either.

I think the dissociation about health might be exacerbated now since the covid Hokey Pokey. Imagine having 2 shots plus a couple of boosters and suddenly out of nowhere your health starts tanking, weird things are happening to your body, you just don’t feel the same as you used to and for just a moment you think ‘is it the vaccine?’ because you’ve probably heard it somewhere that they’re killing and injuring lots of people… but you can’t undo what you’ve done so you just check out mentally, cognitive dissonance and all of that…

I hope Meg is okay and that’s she’s around knowledgeable and caring people like KTC if this happens again.
 
There's another possibility that explains why no one, including Meg, appears that bothered - apart from KTC. It is possible that there is some piece of information that @KTC is not aware off. The only way to rule this out is for @KTC to dig for the information if/when she next see's and speaks to Meg.

For example, you can say "Wow, I was so worried for you but somehow you seemed to have recovered so quickly and it appears like they discharged you quite quickly from hospital. For my own peace of mind, did they find out what caused it?"

Then let her talk and prob a bit without being too nosy 😐
 
Ina said:
Terrible experience! Your students are lucky to have you as an instructor. Just some aspects for health and safety.
1. Have your students complete a health questionnaire that would include any chronic medication they are on.
2. Before the lessons ask the students to fill in if they have taken any medication for headaches or pain /fever especially opioids.
3. Optional, a course in physiopathology combined with functional medicine would add to your skills.

Last but not least, take an assistant that was in the military service. His / her presence of spirit and support capability would help you in crisis moments and could even open an avenue to veteran rehab later.
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Yes all good protocols. We do take client info and keep notes on client files of any updated details and we ask in every class if there's any new considerations for anyone (albeit ppl are not generally forthcoming w info in my experience).
I worked with our local barracks for 9 years in soldier recovery services (which in itself was both fascinating and alarming) and we do get some referrals for veteran rehab but it's not covered on their health insurance so most don't continue if they have to pay out of pocket and in my experience finding service ppl who are not very programmed is rare. When I worked w soldier recovery I saw the results of some seriously bizzare medical intervention like those ppl are used experiments or training for junior surgeons.
 
SOTTREADER said:
There's another possibility that explains why no one, including Meg, appears that bothered - apart from KTC. It is possible that there is some piece of information that @KTC is not aware off. The only way to rule this out is for @KTC to dig for the information if/when she next see's and speaks to Meg.

For example, you can say "Wow, I was so worried for you but somehow you seemed to have recovered so quickly and it appears like they discharged you quite quickly from hospital. For my own peace of mind, did they find out what caused it?"

Then let her talk and prob a bit without being too nosy 😐
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Yes I will wait and see the conversation that transpires when I meet her again. I am interested to know if for anything to learn for the next event if there is one.
 
KTC said:
most don't continue if they have to pay out of pocket and in my experience finding service ppl who are not very programmed is rare.
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Apologies if you find this pushing. There are two words highlighted above-mentioned.
The first shows the opportunity and the second the need, both related to the O in the STO. Creativity is the key for life enrichment.
 
I've worked with 2 different people who suffered from epilepsy and it seems that they don't have any recall of events for a period of time around their seizures. That lack of recall seems to mean that the experience of the seizure has no impact on decisions and choices about them.

The first was a male in his late 20's, early 30's. He had a seizure one day just after closing. A few of us were up the back organising stock, and he was up the front balancing the till. I recall looking towards the front of the shop and not seeing him. I assumed that he'd finished and gone home. I knew that he was epileptic, but he had never had a seizure on site. A few minutes later someone else walked past the register and heard some gurgling sounds, looked over the counter to see him seizing. He'd managed to get his head stuck under a stool so that his neck was at an odd angle so that he didn't have clear airway. We called an ambulance and put him in a better position to breathe. I then went to his file to call his next of kin and got on to his mother. Her attitude shocked me. 'Why did you call an ambulance?' Seems that they had pretty much wiped their hands of him in regards to epilepsy because he refused to take his medication. When I asked him about that, he said that if he has a seizure, he can feel doughy headed and tired for a while after it, but on the medication he feels doughy headed and tired all the time. But that left his family running around picking up the pieces after his seizures and they were over it.

More recently a female workmate in her mid 40's. She seized quite frequently and it happened at work on 4 occasions. The difference in this situation is that her mother wouldn't let her out of her sight, including coming to work with her. Her mother said that there could be signs that a seizure was about to happen, like she'd start talking louder and get fixated on something that she couldn't leave alone. She never recalled having seizures to the point that she'd argue with her mother about going home after them. She'd frequently soil herself during the seizure, and after the seizure her mother could have her cleaned up and her clothes changed before she was totally back on board cognitively. After she was back on board, it was like nothing had happened to her, she'd just try to get back on the job she'd been doing. We got better at identifying when a seizure was about to happen and in the last episode before I left that worksite, the operations manager grabbed her in a hug and held her on her feet until the seizure passed. In the past she'd sustained head injuries from hitting the ground and seizing - once on a concrete curb, another from hitting her head on the tap in the shower with enough force to break the tap. She was another who didn't like the epilepsy medication. One day when she turned up at work she looked tired and unwell and when asked about it, she said she thought she might have had a seizure during the night because the bed was wet when she woke up. I spoke to her about what I'd read of epilepsy improving with the ketogenic diet and she was totally not interested. The thought of soiling herself during a seizure in a public setting wasn't enough motivation for her to consider trying something else. But then, she likely doesn't really remember anything about those situations - like she really doesn't have first hand experience of them or something. Dunno what it is.
 
As far as the reactions all the different people had to the seizure at the time, it seems you might have just got to see an aspect of these people you know that you usually don't see. We see very few of the people we know in a stressful situation like that and therefore never see that part of them, even if we know them very well otherwise.

Regarding Meg and her seizure, I had a seizure in my sleep maybe 12 years ago now - just prior to discovering the Work, C's etc. I can certainly confirm that, for me, the effects lasted a few days and I was definitely not 'myself' for a while.

The only thing I remember was waking up to paramedics in the bedroom, which was not as shocking as you might expect which I suspect was a result of the seizure itself, more confusion and brain fog than anything else.

I was taken to hospital, checked over and then referred to a specialist weeks later. They were quite reassuring, saying they saw these one-off seizures all the time and it was likely nothing to worry about, most people don't even realise they had one. I suspect now that the whole thing was due to high levels of stress, anxiety and physical exhaustion from various things going on at the time. Following the seizure my body ached all over from all the extreme muscle contractions (and I believe mine only lasted 30secs or so).

I don't know how I must have responded to people or if I asked the right questions at the time or for a few days after. I remember being very tired, sore and struggling to think clearly (plus worrying there may be something more serious going on - fortunately there was nothing).

Maybe some of the responses from Meg are due to similar effects. I would certainly think the doctors would have recommended some rest and time off - they did with me and I took a few days off to recover. I think I would have been too sore to do much for a couple of days after anyway. I didn't have any of the awareness I have now, so even though I was obviously a bit worried about the whole thing, it wasn't really until years later that I actually looked more deeply into it and the causes/potential reasons for it. I just trusted the doctors, specialist and got on with stuff once I could. Lacking any other knowledge I think I felt pretty helpless to be able to do anything else.
 
EmeraldR said:
its prompted me to enrol on some free first aid courses as a refresher for these types of scenarios -ive done some a few years back so it will be good to refresh my skills in that area !
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The same here. I just enrolled in a first aid course organised by Red Cross, it's a combination of e-learning and practice, so that will be interesting.

Thank you for sharing, @KTC. You handled the situation well and you can learn a lot from it! And because of your story and Gaby's advice I will be doing another first aid course (I did one when I was a student). I have been wanting to do a refresher for ages, but I never got round to it, but now I will.:flowers:

BTW, another book that may belong in this thread is entitled Deep Survival Who Lives, Who Dies, and Why by Laurence Gonzales. Several members have read it. Here is a summary of the book:
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Thread 'Deep Survival: who lives, who dies, and why'

Hello everyone, I wanted to share a riveting book a family member of mine lent me back around Christmas. It's called Deep Survival, by Laurence Gonzales. It’s a book that discusses the philosophy and psychology of survival in either a wilderness or in an urban setting amid disasters and catastrophes. Essentially, the author writes a lot about what could only be called a Survival Personality. This is a person with certain psychological traits that greatly improve their survival rate, even in environments where much more experienced individuals can perish.

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